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[Sartoz]

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I paid more attention while scrounging for Andromeda news and came across this gem. Look to the right from the bottom right image.

See it? http://ca.ign.com/im...da-ps4-20019740  Inquisition had a rating of 17+ and a M for Mature.  Is Bio seeking a M+ rating?

 

From wiki: M+ ESRB rating means:

"Adults Only [18+]
Titles rated AO (Adults Only) have content that should only be played by persons 18 years and older. Titles in this category may include prolonged scenes of intense violence and/or graphic sexual content and nudity."

 

If so, It appears BIO is pushing the envelope, again. Does this mean their "... we will treat each character equally..." indicate a possible  Transgender romance? I wonder how EA marketing will approach this. Perhaps something like " Andromeda, exploring the wonders,  fighting for your life with friends and mates you bond with, expecting trust but betrayed and shocked when you find the truth." Anyway, does this mean "taste" goes out the window? Will there be a SKIP button for the frail? Is seeking a M+ rating just smoke to attract the naive? 

 

Bio's tweets indicate hard combat but  "intense violence"  also means blood and gore. Some folks here will love the latter.

[Toasted Llama]

IMHO an M+ rating would give them more freedom in terms of what they can and cannot show. Or perhaps even what topics they could tackle.

 

It would be interesting to see if they actually have content worthy of an M+ rating and what it would do with the fanbase. I know there's several people who will stay away from the game being to violent/gorey/sexual.

 

Maybe some optional content will put the game into M rating? Or maybe they decided that a woman's nipples are gross and have cooties and should thus only be viewed by a mature audience.

[rashie]

No, they are not.

 

Many retailers refuse to sell AO rated games, and that could put a serious dent in profits. How much they'll utilize that mature rating remains to be seen, but id be seriously surprised if they went far enough to get an AO.

[Element Zero]

I was looking at the screen for a goo five or six seconds, trying to figure out which pic you meant to describe with this imprint. I finally saw that it was in the margin under "Game Details". Duh.

Interesting. How many times have there been threads expressing a desire for a more "grown up" game? Hopefully, from a personally viewpoint, it's more grown up in a way that I'll appreciate and not in a gratuitous, tasteless way that will ruin the series.

Making games for the masses is an interesting balance. The content that part of the audience is calling for may be the content another part least wants to see. (The current "gore thread" is a good, balanced discussion regarding this.) Hopefully, BioWare again manages to balance things in a way that makes the consumer-group as a whole happy about their purchase.

Again, I'm definitely intrigued by the potential rating. I'm not sure if I'm optimistically intrigued or worried, but definitely intrigued.

EDIT: After validating that ESRB jumps straight from M to AO, there's no way this is happening. EA and BioWare wants to sell this game. Many retailers treat AO games as if they are pornography. MEA will be Rated M.

[Scarlett]

I'm all for the 18+ mention. So they will be free to do what they really want to do and not soften everything.

 

But money, you know. 18+ will certainly make them losing potential buyers.

 

Talking about that reminds me of Xenosaga 3... the original japanese game was 18+ and then US version was rated "T" to sell to a majority of teenagers and make more profits ... so they removed the blood, the shocking sequences and changed some dialogs. The game totally lacked of sense.

 

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just adding here what I wrote below to clear up things because I was talking about the European PEGI ranks, not the US ESRB :

 

"This discussion make me realize the rating is a bit different in Europe. The most high level we have here is 18+ (all "M" games are rated 18+ here). ME is already a 18+ game on my country (like GTA, COD etc...).

http://www.pegi.info/fr/index/id/75/

AO is a rank we do not have...  (we just put those games in 18+)

 

So if US ESRB 18+=AO=porn, then just nooooo, "M" is just fine."

[Element Zero]

No, they are not.
 
Many retailers refuse to sell AO rated games, and that could put a serious dent in profits. How much they'll utilize that mature rating remains to be seen, but id be seriously surprised if they went far enough to get an AO.

Sartoz' post gave me the impression that there was a step between M and AO, even though he explicitly cited AO. Yeah, they'll never go beyond M if they want to actually sell the game.

[Toasted Llama]

I was looking at the screen for a goo five or six seconds, trying to figure out which pic you meant to describe with this imprint. I finally saw that it was in the margin under "Game Details". Duh.

Interesting. How many times have there been threads expressing a desire for a more "grown up" game? Hopefully, from a personally viewpoint, it's more grown up in a way that I'll appreciate and not in a gratuitous, tasteless way that will ruin the series.

Making games for the masses is an interesting balance. The content that part of the audience is calling for may be the content another part least wants to see. (The current "gore thread" is a good, balanced discussion regarding this.) Hopefully, BioWare again manages to balance things in a way that makes the consumer-group as a whole happy about their purchase.

Again, I'm definitely intrigued by the potential rating. I'm not sure if I'm optimistically intrigued or worried, but definitely intrigued.

 

Unfortunately you can never please the consumer group as a whole. You can aim for the biggest amount possible, but everyone? Eh, there's always gonna be haters.

Which is why I personally would like Bioware to find a blend of what the largest (or large) portion of the consumers want and what they themselves have envisioned.

[RoboticWater]

Sartoz' post gave me the impression that there was a step between M and AO, even though he explicitly cited AO. Yeah, they'll never go beyond M if they want to actually sell the game.

No, there's only M and AO. The plus just means BioWare might go with M or they might go further to the only remaining rating of AO, but there's no way BioWare is making an AO game. Profit reasons aside, your game has to be explicitly pornographic and/or just downright offensive to earn an AO rating.

[Scarlett]

No, there's only M and AO. The plus just means BioWare might go with M or they might go further to the only remaining rating of AO, but there's no way BioWare is making an AO game. Profit reasons aside, your game has to be explicitly pornographic and/or just downright offensive to earn an AO rating.

 

This discussion make me realize the rating is a bit different in Europe. The most high level we have here is 18+ (all "M" games are rated 18+ here). ME is already a 18+ game on my country (like GTA, COD etc...).

http://www.pegi.info/fr/index/id/75/

AO is a rank we do not have...  (we just put those games in 18+)

[Element Zero]

This discussion make me realize the rating is a bit different in Europe. The most high level we have here is 18+ (all "M" games are rated 18+ here). ME here is already a 18+ game on my country (like GTA, COD etc...).
http://www.pegi.info/fr/index/id/75/
AO is a rank we do not have...  (we just put those games in 18+)

Yeah, I had to look up the ratings to make sure we were initially discussing US ESRB. Then, I thought they may have added an extra step in my handful of years away from retail.

Once I realized we were discussing the same old ESRB, that ended any speculation on my part. AO rating is treated as pornography by most retailers. I don't imagine EA or BioWare would ever release such a game. I know they wouldn't saddle BioWare's flagship IP with an AO rating.

[FKA_Servo]

It'll be an M, just like every other game they've released in the last decade.

 

That said, an "M" in 2016 is a whole lot different than an "M" in 2007... or 2012, for that matter.

[Scarlett]

Yeah, I had to look up the ratings to make sure we were initially discussing US ESRB. Then, I thought they may have added an extra step in my handful of years away from retail.

Once I realized we were discussing the same old ESRB, that ended any speculation on my part. AO rating is treated as pornography by most retailers. I don't imagine EA or BioWare would ever release such a game. I know they wouldn't saddle BioWare's flagship IP with an AO rating.

I edited my first post with what I wrote on my second post to avoid confusion, if US ESRB 18+=AO=porn, then just nooooo, "M" is just fine.

[sjsharp2011]

It'll be an M, just like every other game they've released in the last decade.

 

That said, an "M" in 2016 is a whole lot different than an "M" in 2007... or 2012, for that matter.

yeah it'll likrely just be a mature rated games as that is their general market as I would still classify DAI as mature.

[Obliviousmiss]

It'll be an M, just like every other game they've released in the last decade.

 

That said, an "M" in 2016 is a whole lot different than an "M" in 2007... or 2012, for that matter.

 

You speak the truth. 

 

I think only Destiny, Batman games, and Uncharted are rated Teen these days. 

[rossler]

Duke Nukem Forever, for the amount of nudity and such in that game was only rated M. Probably should have been AO, IMO.

 

Then again, if that game wasn't rated AO, this game won't be.

 

At the very least, they'll ID people to keep the minors out.

[Sartoz]

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Many retailers refuse to sell AO rated games, and that could put a serious dent in profits. How much they'll utilize that mature rating remains to be seen, but id be seriously surprised if they went far enough to get an AO.

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Now this I understand. It's puzzling too because EA's goal is to sell to a wider market and a M+ rating will remove the 17yr old teenagers. I was also  unaware that many retailers would refuse to sell AO games. However, this may be mitigated by digital sales.

 

Could be a typo

 

Has anyone seen a M only rating for Mass Effect Andromeda? please provide a link.

 

[Sartoz]

Unfortunately you can never please the consumer group as a whole. You can aim for the biggest amount possible, but everyone? Eh, there's always gonna be haters.

Which is why I personally would like Bioware to find a blend of what the largest (or large) portion of the consumers want and what they themselves have envisioned.

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Bio's vision. Good point.

If their are going to push the envelope to include the T in lgbt with a romance.... AO may be needed.

 

Again, though, that is contra to EA's policy of selling to the widest market. Unless there is a special DLC or "Deluxe" digital edition. 

[N7Jamaican]

M+ is fine.

[FKA_Servo]

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Now this I understand. It's puzzling too because EA's goal is to sell to a wider market and a M+ rating will remove the 17yr old teenagers. I was also  unaware that many retailers would refuse to sell AO games. However, this may be mitigated by digital sales.

 

Could be a typo

 

Has anyone seen a M only rating for Mass Effect Andromeda? please provide a link.

 

As far as I'm aware, "M+" isn't a rating, at least not through the ESRB. The link in your OP seems to clearly indicate that the game is simply not yet rated.

 

Every ME game, and every Bioware game in the past 10+ years, has been M rated, and the M rating these days seems to offer plenty enough latitude to ensure creative freedom. Going "AO" would be unprecedented (and the chance of it happening is vanishingly small).

 

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Bio's vision. Good point.

If their are going to push the envelope to include the T in lgbt with a romance.... AO may be needed.

 

Why on earth should this be significantly different than any of the other romance subplots? What, in your mind, could possibly differentiate it from their approach to previous SS or OS romances?

[Element Zero]

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Bio's vision. Good point.
If their are going to push the envelope to include the T in lgbt with a romance.... AO may be needed.
 
Again, though, that is contra to EA's policy of selling to the widest market. Unless there is a special DLC or "Deluxe" digital edition.

BioWare wants to be inclusive and supportive, but they will not be allowed to publish a game that would garner an AO rating. These AAA titles cost vast sums of money to create, and carry huge earnings expectations as a result.

I don't think the particular issue you mentioned would garner an AO rating, anyway. It's not a big deal, in and of itself. AO ratings are reserved for extreme content, (or gambling of actual money, an adult activity). A transgender romance would only garner an AO rating if it featured gratuitous, graphic content, much the same as any other romantic encounter featured in-game.

[FKA_Servo]

BioWare wants to be inclusive and supportive, but they will not be allowed to publish a game that would garner an AO rating. These AAA titles cost vast sums of money to create, and carry huge earnings expectations as a result.

I don't think the particular issue you mentioned would garner an AO rating, anyway. It's not a big deal, in and of itself. AO ratings are reserved for extreme content, (or gambling of actual money, an adult activity). A transgender romance would only garner an AO rating if it featured gratuitous, graphic content, much the same as any other romantic encounter featured in-game.

Even then, I have my doubts. Games like The Witcher and GTA have pushed the envelope further than I would have thought they'd ever go under an M rating, and the whole thing is sort of reinforced by the popularity and mainstream acceptance of premium shows like GoT. In those avenues, content is just getting more explicit while still falling under a "mature audiences" umbrella. Meanwhile, it's all still strictly separated from "adults only" content, which continues to connote something very, very different. I imagine M rated games will keep getting more explicit while still retaining the M rating, and AO will still be off in a corner, largely un (or under) utilized, because it is, as others have noted, a non-starter.

None of this is a value judgement, just an observation. I'm all for the artistic freedom that less restrictive ratings grant, personally.

[SKAR]

I'm sure its rated M. It's not supposed to be "kid" friendly.

[SKAR]

I'm sure its rated M. It's not supposed to be "kid" friendly.

[ArabianIGoggles]

It's definitely not going to be an adults only rating. 

[Element Zero]

Even then, I have my doubts. Games like The Witcher and GTA have pushed the envelope further than I would have thought they'd ever go under a M rated game, and the whole thing is sort of reinforced by the popularity and mainstream acceptance of premium shows like GoT. In those avenues, content is just getting more explicit while still falling under a "mature audiences" umbrella. Meanwhile, it's all still strictly separated from "adults only" content, which still connotes something very, very different. I imagine M rated games will keep getting more explicit while still retaining the M rating, and AO will still be off in a corner, largely un (or under) utilized, because it is, as others have noted, a non-starter.
 
None of this is a value judgement, just an observation. I'm all for the artistic freedom that less restrictive ratings grant, personally.

For sure. The same has happened with films, over the years. Many "R" rated films from the 1980s look like "PG" films, now. The system hasn't changed, but perception, tolerance and acceptance of content has changed dramatically.