What happens if you:
Does Bull appear to fight you or no?
Or is the only way to get Bull to bas'tray you is to resolve Demands of the Qun by sacrificing the Chargers?
What happens if you:
- Meet Iron Bull in the Storm Coast
- Decide not to hire Bull's Chargers
- Get to the anteroom to the dragon fight in Trespasser
Does Bull appear to fight you or no?
Or is the only way to get Bull to bas'tray you is to resolve Demands of the Qun by sacrificing the Chargers?
I did just that with one toon (met with IB, and declined to recruit him/Chargers) and he did not appear in Trespasser at all, save for a text that indicates he works with Josephine regardless of the player's choice:
I did just that with one toon (met with IB, and declined to recruit him/Chargers) and he did not appear in Trespasser at all, save for a text that indicates he works with Josephine regardless of the player's choice:
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... Seriously? That sucks. Why the hell give the player a damn choice to recruit him then?
I'll choose to be nice and give them (the devs) the benefit of the doubt by saying that that text might be an overlooked mistake, since it reads like you allied with the Qunari (meaning you sacrificed the Chargers), which can't happen unless you recruit him.
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Dang, your Dorian has a lot of health. XD
Nope. I met with IB at the Storm Coast, told him thanks but no thanks, and that was that. Didn't sacrifice Chargers, didn't ally with Qunari, didn't even remember Iron Bull existed until that letter showed up in Trespasser. (I was actually pretty upset by it, too, or rather my Inquisitor was...)
^ I meant that the note read like you allied with them, not your post.
^ I meant that the note read like you allied with them, not your post.
D'oh! Yep, I'm an idiot! /slinks away
... Seriously? That sucks. Why the hell give the player a damn choice to recruit him then?I'll choose to be nice and give them (the devs) the benefit of the doubt by saying that that text might be an overlooked mistake, since it reads like you allied with the Qunari (meaning you sacrificed the Chargers), which can't happen unless you recruit him.[edit]Dang, your Dorian has a lot of health. XD
^ No, he doesn't say that he has already been paid.
Inquisitor: How much is this going to cost me, exactly?
Iron Bull: I wouldn't cost you anything personally, unless you wanna buy drinks later. You ambassador -- what's her name -- Josephine? We'd go through her and get the payments set up. The gold will take care of itself. Don't worry about that. All that matters is we're worth it.
YouTube link.
Besides the above, having already been paid wouldn't make sense within the context of the scene. You are meeting him for the very first time; it is essentially a job interview. Even when Krem gives you the quest he states that he's "having a hard time getting anyone to talk to me," so it's clear that the Chargers are not yet associated with the Inquisition at all.
You make the decision to hire them then and there.
I'm really thinking the note in Trespasser is an oversight. It's still irksome, but not too terrible.
^ No, he doesn't say that he has already been paid.
YouTube link.
Besides the above, having already been paid wouldn't make sense within the context of the scene. You are meeting him for the very first time; it is essentially a job interview. Even when Krem gives you the quest he states that he's "having a hard time getting anyone to talk to me," so it's clear that the Chargers are not yet associated with the Inquisition at all.
You make the decision to hire them then and there.
I'm really thinking the note in Trespasser is an oversight. It's still irksome, but not too terrible.
^ No, he doesn't say that he has already been paid.
YouTube link.
Besides the above, having already been paid wouldn't make sense within the context of the scene. You are meeting him for the very first time; it is essentially a job interview. Even when Krem gives you the quest he states that he's "having a hard time getting anyone to talk to me," so it's clear that the Chargers are not yet associated with the Inquisition at all.
You make the decision to hire them then and there.
I'm really thinking the note in Trespasser is an oversight. It's still irksome, but not too terrible.
yeah I agree it's mostly something I think the devs overlooked.
Well, It never made sense to me, by that time the Inquisitor was merely a device to close rifts, not the leader of anything.
He has mostly the same lines for an Inquisitor versus just the Herald, with only a couple of cosmetic variations to note the change in your status. In the video I linked, he's talking to the Inquisitor.
In general, I think having that quest pre-Skyhold is silly just for that reason, and whether I recruit him or not I always leave it for after Skyhold. It's one thing to bring in some specific individuals, and another to hire a mercenary group.
But you know... they go along with your decision regarding the mages/templars, so...
I don't know why they couldn't leave some things for after Skyhold. I don't think there's a reason we had to recruit everyone (save Dorian/Cole) while still in Haven.
Because you need every able-bodied companion possible to survive the suicide mission, and you have to pick the right ones to do the right jobs ...I don't know why they couldn't leave some things for after Skyhold. I don't think there's a reason we had to recruit everyone (save Dorian/Cole) while still in Haven.
Because you need every able-bodied companion possible to survive the suicide mission, and you have to pick the right ones to do the right jobs ...
... *sigh*, if only that were true. They got it right in ME2, why not the final showdown with Coryphish? The battle should have been longer, with various companions following along or splitting off to do jobs, so they didn't have to change the core mechanic of 1+3 party size for the final showdown. Battle with the lyrium dragon should have been an all-hands on deck affair.
I think ME2 was a fluke, great as it was. ME3's Priority Earth wasn't better than DAI either.
Didn't ME2 feature kind of a shitty boss battle with a proto-Reaper?
Yes, but nobody remembers that part. At least, not as much as they remember the feeling of accomplishment for getting the whole crew through to the end without losing anyone.Didn't ME2 feature kind of a shitty boss battle with a proto-Reaper?
Yes, but nobody remembers that part. At least, not as much as they remember the feeling of accomplishment for getting the whole crew through to the end without losing anyone.Meh. If the Bioware trade-off is good story and characters for mediocre boss battles, I guess I can live with that.
I did a playthrough only using Cassandra, Solas and Varric. When trespasser was started, Dorian called my Inquisitor friend even when I told the guy to get lost when I got to Skyhold. He is available as a companion for the dlc. Even shows up in the ending image
Iron Bull doesn't show up at all before facing the dragon. I didn't see any signs of any of the other companions.
I completed the dlc with only Cassanadra and Varric at my side.
I had to wait for Dorian to leave to get an image of who I had for the dlc.
It may not be a mistake that the note says Bull is working with Josephine. Remember the latest comic has Bull's Chargers working with Marius and Tessa in the Hissing Wastes. People were asking how they could even be there if the Inquisitor hadn't recruited them. Well, the answer would seem to be that at some point Josephine/Leliana decided to use the Chargers anyway, just not tell you about it. Which also explains how you don't know about the Inquisition employing those two Mage Killers either. It would seem that there is quite a bit going on behind the scenes that you don't know about. Really it was always Leliana and Cassandra's show on behalf of the deceased Divine Justinia and you are just a convenient figurehead who is allowed to believe they are in charge to keep you sweet. Remember how you can give Leliana a direct order to not kill that Chantry sister and she totally ignores you? That shows you just how much in charge you are.
It may not be a mistake that the note says Bull is working with Josephine. Remember the latest comic has Bull's Chargers working with Marius and Tessa in the Hissing Wastes. People were asking how they could even be there if the Inquisitor hadn't recruited them. Well, the answer would seem to be that at some point Josephine/Leliana decided to use the Chargers anyway, just not tell you about it. Which also explains how you don't know about the Inquisition employing those two Mage Killers either. It would seem that there is quite a bit going on behind the scenes that you don't know about. Really it was always Leliana and Cassandra's show on behalf of the deceased Divine Justinia and you are just a convenient figurehead who is allowed to believe they are in charge to keep you sweet. Remember how you can give Leliana a direct order to not kill that Chantry sister and she totally ignores you? That shows you just how much in charge you are.
What? No it can't be true so my job is same as Cullen, just to look pretty. 
It may not be a mistake that the note says Bull is working with Josephine. Remember the latest comic has Bull's Chargers working with Marius and Tessa in the Hissing Wastes. People were asking how they could even be there if the Inquisitor hadn't recruited them. Well, the answer would seem to be that at some point Josephine/Leliana decided to use the Chargers anyway, just not tell you about it. Which also explains how you don't know about the Inquisition employing those two Mage Killers either. It would seem that there is quite a bit going on behind the scenes that you don't know about. Really it was always Leliana and Cassandra's show on behalf of the deceased Divine Justinia and you are just a convenient figurehead who is allowed to believe they are in charge to keep you sweet. Remember how you can give Leliana a direct order to not kill that Chantry sister and she totally ignores you? That shows you just how much in charge you are.
Or you know... it could just be a developer oversight, like several other things I could rattle off, including ones much more impactful than this.
Besides, Trespasser was likely finished long before the comic's story line got settled, and the Chargers are presented as being a part of the Inquisition, not some fringe group. This is even more likely when you consider that Dorian is also there.
The comic, and what goes on in it, has nothing to do with actual game content.
Or you know... it could just be a developer oversight, like several other things I could rattle off, including ones much more impactful than this.
Besides, Trespasser was likely finished long before the comic's story line got settled, and the Chargers are presented as being a part of the Inquisition, not some fringe group. This is even more likely when you consider that Dorian is also there.
The comic, and what goes on in it, has nothing to do with actual game content.
I was rather put out the comic assumed any of my Inquisitors could stand to be without Dorian long enough for him to trek out to the Hissing Wastes, hang out for a few weeks, and then trek back.
Remember how you can give Leliana a direct order to not kill that Chantry sister and she totally ignores you? That shows you just how much in charge you are.
No, I don't. I remember how even at the beginning, I can talk her out of murder just by using a firm voice, and at the end of her quest, leading her to make the right choice on her own and show mercy.
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