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[Gervaise]

At the beginning, when you are new to the crew, she listens to you, which is odd if you think about it.   First play I just stood there and listened because I was still learning the ropes and how everyone operated and so I didn't think it my place to interfere.     So down the line we do Leliana's personal quest and the sister is revealed as working for one of the surviving Reverend Mothers who is currently opposed to the Inquisition.   I ask Leliana to spare her because she hasn't discovered any big secrets and showing her mercy might improve our standing with the opposition.   But no, Leliana proceeds to cut her throat, even though I am now the leader of the Inquisition and thus her boss.   

 

Later I discover from the Wiki that the reason she totally ignores me is that I didn't tell her to spare that spy right back at the beginning.     But I wasn't her boss then, I had no authority over her and so there was no real reason why she should been so influenced by me.   Apart from that one instance, in my time as Inquisitor I had constantly shown people mercy.   I had told her the agents weren't expendable  when she was worrying she should have sacrificed them rather than pulling them back.    The actions of my Inquisitor throughout had been an example that should have told Leliana that I was being both consistent in asking her to spare the sister and my judgement in such cases had been sound.     Yet she ignored me.   That is what I am getting at.

 

So just because I decided I didn't want Bull working for me back at the beginning, doesn't mean that Leliana agreed with that decision and wouldn't have recruited them to her own group of agents along with Tessa, Marius and in fact all the other agents that appear in the multiplayer that the Inquisitor had no part in appointing.     My decision meant I just didn't want them as part of my own personal team/inner circle.

[nightscrawl]

I was rather put out the comic assumed any of my Inquisitors could stand to be without Dorian long enough for him to trek out to the Hissing Wastes, hang out for a few weeks, and then trek back.

Lol... I thought it was a lame cameo. It essentially amounted to using Dorian to have the lore reveal that Marius's training in Tevinter made him what they refer to as a perrepatae. That's pretty much it, and it was the primary lore reveal in the entire comic.

 

I actually wouldn't have minded the idea of Dorian, or any of the followers, going off to do something on their own, but the game doesn't portray that. I've already burned thousands of words on the problems I have with the comic, I'm not going to repeat them in this thread.
 
 

So just because I decided I didn't want Bull working for me back at the beginning, doesn't mean that Leliana agreed with that decision and wouldn't have recruited them to her own group of agents along with Tessa, Marius and in fact all the other agents that appear in the multiplayer that the Inquisitor had no part in appointing.     My decision meant I just didn't want them as part of my own personal team/inner circle.

 
No, it doesn't. The entire dialogue is about hiring the Bull's Chargers to work for the Inquisition, which is why payment is part of the discussion.

[Gervaise]

Yes, I know that is what we were told.   I'm just pointing out that subsequently Leliana could have approached them herself to work for her specifically, possibly at a knock down rate.   After all I thought Bull was under orders from the Qun to join the Inquisition, so if he failed the first time may be he tried a different approach.     Unless you met him after you became Inquisitor when it is no longer simply a case of you being one person who represents the Inquisition but are actually meant to be leading it, when clearly Leliana would be going directly against your decision if she appointed them.   Which is why I cited the precedent of the Chantry sister.    If Leliana thinks she knows best, she seems quite content to ignore your decision.    In the comics it is Leliana who seems to be running the show when it comes to deciding who to recruit and what they should do.   Given how restricted the scope of the storylines were, likely because that was set down by the Devs, I hardly think he would have portrayed Leliana in that way if it didn't have their approval, nor including the Chargers instead of having his two characters work with a group of random Inquisition soldiers.   Even if the story in the comics isn't canon, I seem to recall it was stated by the author that he wrote it in such a way that it would fit with anyone's play through.   That would suggest that someone would have checked to make sure that is the case, but may be I am placing too much confidence in the editorial team from Bioware.   After all we know how many discrepancies there are in the source books compared with the games but I just can't help trying to find a way to reconcile the differences.

[nightscrawl]

Well fine, if you're SO determined to believe that it is a fixed world where stuff happens regardless, go right ahead.

 

The phrase "anyone's playthrough" doesn't even apply entirely, unless you also include Dorian in the whole "is covertly with the Inquisition despite the player's choice" thing.

 

It's probably more like "most playthroughs" since -- I'm willing to bet -- most people recruit everyone, just like most people probably did not decapitate Leliana or Wynne in DAO.

 

I don't recruit Bull, but if 80% if the players do, and the comic is representative of those, I'm fine with that. It can't represent everyone unless they remove player choice entirely. They could have done that by not having those cameos at all, since those are the ONLY two instances in the comic that allude to a certain canon world state.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Leliana is Mary Sue and writers pet therefore she is horrible example of how much power Inquistor has over Inquistion due to that she is those things player is very restricted in responses on her disobedience and incompetence. Valid examples would be two another advisors that listen to your orders even if they don't like it. Truth is that Inquistor was position and figure that hold most power over the Inqusition.  

[Gervaise]

Okay, I give up, the letter in Trespasser is just a case of sloppy programming/editing and the comics can't be reconciled with every play through.    Satisfied?

[Dai Grepher]

Finished my Cassandra playthrough. She didn't even visit the Storm Coast. Iron Bull does not show up in Trespasser at all, the balled up letter is the same as if you made the alliance, and Viddasala just politely says you've come far enough at the point where she would have told Bull to turn on the party. I forgot to check and see if there is an "Iron Bull and the Last Few Years" note. I'll do that later tonight I think.

Also, I think the balled up note in the Darvaarad is one of many oversights by the devs. You can refuse The Chargers' services and still get the note, which wouldn't make sense.

EDIT: There's no Last Few Years note for Bull if he's not recruited.