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[masster blaster]

First off we have no idea what time frame ME:A will take place during the Reaper War. This is a bad position for Bioware since choices should matter since Shepard in ME3 has the option to Doom the Geth,Rachni, Quarians, and Krogan.

 

This also raises the question does the leader of the Krogan matter if whatever Krogan do go on the Ark will betray the others depending on their leaders beliefs?

 

Will the Krogan be cured of the Genophage

 

Will any Geth be aboard the ship? It would make logical sense seeing how they can operate the ship while the organics are asleep.

 

Will the Hannar, Elcor, Vorcha,Rachni, any surviving Batarians, Drell, Volus, and Quarians be apart of the Ark? From what we can tell Only the krogan, Salaraians, Asari, Humans and Turians seem to be on the ark. It would be a slap to the face seeing how each race is on the bring of extinction and very weak plot seeeing how the Krogan going with the Ark ship makes zero sense seeing how the Salarians wouldn't trust the Krogan, the council would be skeptical, we have no idea If Shepard killed Wrex prior to sabotaging the cure. Thus no Krogan support.

 

If this takes place during ME2 then by gosh that is beyond terrible. No race is going to trust one another, the council had NO back up plans at all. They just stood ideally by and only the Turians and Humans had prepared for the Reapers the best they could. the Rest of the races wouldn't have even done a thing. Plus Ceberus would have no doubt caught wind of this seeing how Cerberus always know a lot of information and were the ones who suggested the Normandy SR1 to be built.

 

 

Wouldn't the Reapers blasted the ark away if this was before ME3? Seeing how if this takes place prior to the six months between Arrival then the Reapers would have blasted the Ark away in a mere matter of Micro seconds. Also the Asari councilor had to say "prepare for preserving her race" after Shepard failed on Thessia. ummm that just tells us they had no plan what so ever and that the Ark ship was never even in development. If it started right after Thesis then by gosh what was the time frame?

 

How did the ark come about if ALL resources and assets are being put onto the Crucible? You mean to tell me they were building an ark ship along with the crucible? 

 

 

Let's say if this takes place after ME3. Then the question remains. Why would they leave if Synthesis happened? Why would they leave if controlled happen? Makes zero sense seeing how nothing can go wrong RIGHT? If destroy or refused happen i can see it yet Destroy not so much seeing how life was all saved in the end.

 

Does any of Shepards choices even matter that affected the the political shift and saving graces of each race? If not then what is the point of caring about anything that happens in ME:A if Shepard's actions doesn't change the nature of the other races to the point there is tension between opposing sides for each race? Also all special forces, and the best of the best are fighting in the Reaper war. I find it hard to believe other N7 operatives and any other special forces went on the ark. We literally gathered every special force, every band of troops, fleets, resources, scientist, etc for the war effort.

 

How technological advance IS the ark ship, it's weapons, kinetic barriers, firepower, FTL, mass fields, armor etc that WASN'T used in the war effort if this is prior to the war with the reapers? That technology would have helped fight the Reapers yet is wasted on escaping to another galaxy without using the blueprints for the crucible or forces in general? We literally uncovered all the research/experiments in ME3 when gathering assets so it is hard to believe new Tech came about in a spam of 3 years IF this was being developed prior too ME1's end.

 

Not to mention IF Cerberus is behind the Ark being constructed that is a huge plot hole for that means Cerberus knew all along yet was the one to order it? Plus if Cerberus constructed it you would think it would be a human's only ship and thus they preserve humanity and leave the other races to rot.

 

However it took nearly 1 and a half years to crack Sovy's mac gun. Thus the Thanix cannon came out. That took 1and a half years and the Normandy is no acceptation. Took nearly two years to rebuild it, and the first SR1 took several years. This ark doesn't have everyone building upon it and thus it is hard to believe this at all.

 

There are many more questions yet these are the ones that stick out the most to me.

[The Elder King]

Many believes the 'voyage' to Andromeda will happen before the end of the trilogy (Ark theory), so that it'd allow Bioware to not touch the choices in the trilogy without picking a canon.

[masster blaster]

Many believes the 'voyage' to Andromeda will happen before the end of the trilogy (Ark theory), so that it'd allow Bioware to not touch the choices in the trilogy without picking a canon.

That explains the ending games choices yet not the other points i brought up or choices that affect the galaxy/races that are not apart of the end game choices.

[Iakus]

Why isn't Andromeda totally dominated by godlike species, either organic or synthetic, if they have not had a billion-year cycle of destruction?

 

Why are there no Reapers there from the Milky Way, for that matter? (or if there are, what happened to them?)

 

Where the hell did the technology to cross two and a half million light-years of dark space come from to begin with?  This cycle was nowhere near that level of technology.

[Sartoz]

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I'm happy to say that ME:A is an independent story with no ties to ME1-3, except in the history books of the colonists' educational databases.

 

A Mass Effect Keep would record individual gamers' action(s) but in Andromeda that translates into actions taken long way back in time with no "current" impact on the story. It is foolish of Bio to spend time and resources for no value to them.

 

Re-read the intro to Andromeda by Conal Pierse that says "...this game is very much a new adventure, taking place far away from and long after the events of the original trilogy..."

 

Andromeda is a clean break from ME1-3.

[Iakus]

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Andromeda is a clean break from ME1-3.

Which in itself is a good thing.  But it still needs to explain how we got to this point or it goes from "clean break" to "non sequitur"

[The Elder King]

That explains the ending games choices yet not the other points i brought up or choices that affect the galaxy/races that are not apart of the end game choices.

The choices made during ME3, in this case, won't affect us since the voyage might start before Shepard made them.

As for which races will be in, or the possible tension between them, how can we know? We literally know nothing. I guess they might not rewrite the same old plots of the trilogy, or at least some of them.

The game won't be set in ME2 or ME3's timeline anyway, at least in my opinion. Regardless of the method used to arrive, it's likely that the game will be set decades after the trilogy and (in the Ark theory) the start of the voyage.

[masster blaster]

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I'm happy to say that ME:A is an independent story with no ties to ME1-3, except in the history books of the colonists' educational databases.

 

A Mass Effect Keep would record individual gamers' action(s) but in Andromeda that translates into actions taken long way back in time with no "current" impact on the story. It is foolish of Bio to spend time and resources for no value to them.

 

Re-read the intro to Andromeda by Conal Pierse that says "...this game is very much a new adventure, taking place far away from and long after the events of the original trilogy..."

 

Andromeda is a clean break from ME1-3.

That makes ZERO sense. The whole point of the ME trilogy was to stop the reapers and restore the balance to the galaxy. Shepard choice at the end of the game is HUGE. If this takes places years after ME3's end then WHAT ending did they choose? This is pure bs writing and Shepard had the option to  KILL large chunks of races. Geneophage cure or not Krogan doomed or saved, saving the quarians or not, geth or not, making peace with them, why the hell do we need to leave the Milky way IF there is no bad ill going on or for the matter the galaxy should be focusing on rebuilding the Milky way. Save the Rachni Queen or not, etc Every little choice and big one has impact in the ME universe and them trying to suger coat the " takes place after ME33s in years into the future" is a huge cop out. There is no reason to leave the Milky way, and 3/4 choices wouldn't have even mattered since peace is obtained and two of the Endings leave the Reapers alive.

[Onewomanarmy]

The choices made during ME3, in this case, won't affect us since the voyage might start before Shepard made them.

As for which races will be in, or the possible tension between them, how can we know? We literally know nothing. I guess they might not rewrite the same old plots of the trilogy, or at least some of them.

The game won't be set in ME2 or ME3's timeline anyway, at least in my opinion. Regardless of the method used to arrive, it's likely that the game will be set decades after the trilogy and (in the Ark theory) the start of the voyage.

 

Out of likes but this exactly. Perfectly said TEK.

[The Elder King]

That makes ZERO sense. The whole point of the ME trilogy was to stop the reapers and restore the balance to the galaxy. Shepard choice at the end of the game is HUGE. If this takes places years after ME3's end then WHAT ending did they choose? This is pure bs writing and Shepard had the option to  KILL large chunks of races. Geneophage cure or not Krogan doomed or saved, saving the quarians or not, geth or not, making peace with them, why the hell do we need to leave the Milky way IF there is no bad ill going on or for the matter the galaxy should be focusing on rebuilding the Milky way. Save the Rachni Queen or not, etc Every little choice and big one has impact in the ME universe and them trying to suger coat the " takes place after ME33s in years into the future" is a huge cop out. There is no reason to leave the Milky way, and 3/4 choices wouldn't have even mattered since peace is obtained and two of the Endings leave the Reapers alive.

Again, the voyage (if the theory is true) starts before the choices are made. The choices made in ME3 won't affect Andromeda, and Bioware doesn't have to pick a canon.

 

Out of likes but this exactly. Perfectly said TEK.

Thanks .

[masster blaster]

The choices made during ME3, in this case, won't affect us since the voyage might start before Shepard made them.

As for which races will be in, or the possible tension between them, how can we know? We literally know nothing. I guess they might not rewrite the same old plots of the trilogy, or at least some of them.

The game won't be set in ME2 or ME3's timeline anyway, at least in my opinion. Regardless of the method used to arrive, it's likely that the game will be set decades after the trilogy and (in the Ark theory) the start of the voyage.

Again how did we even build the ark if it is before the final push? All resources, the smartest people in the galaxy, every tech we had went to the crucible. NOTHING is left to build an ark. This was an all or nothing plan. Plus again the time-frame to build an ark ship that takes the ME population to another Galaxy is SLIM. specifically in one year and before you even say "production could have happened sooner" then why didn't Shepard know about this to begin with?

[Sartoz]

Which in itself is a good thing.  But it still needs to explain how we got to this point or it goes from "clean break" to "non sequitur"

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Hm... Codex entries won't do?

Easiest, I guess, is a narrator explaining the where, why and how they got "here" in the intro sequence.

[The Elder King]

Again how did we even build the ark if it is before the final push? All resources, the smartest people in the galaxy, every tech we had went to the crucible. NOTHING is left to build an ark. This was an all or nothing plan. Plus again the time-frame to build an ark ship that takes the ME population to another Galaxy is SLIM. specifically in one year and before you even say "production could have happened sooner" then why didn't Shepard know about this to begin with?

Why should have Shepard know about it, if it was supposed to be a top secret project?

I'm not saying the explanation will be necessarily good (there are chances I won't like how the whole thing works). I'm simply wait to see what they came up with, and judge it afterwards.

Regardless if good or bad, the explanation will probably block the choices made in ME3 to affect MEA.

[masster blaster]

Again, the voyage (if the theory is true) starts before the choices are made. The choices made in ME3 won't affect Andromeda, and Bioware doesn't have to pick a canon.

 

Thanks .

That makes zero sense seeing how the best of the minds in the galaxy were else where, resources were scattered, no race was willing to even WORK together, why didn't Wrex mention this? He is after all the leader of the Korgan if you pick him, Why didn't the Prime Arc know about this? How come the Rachni didn't get involved IF we are technically talking about past choices then that means we could have saved teh Rachni queen? Why didn't Liara know about this since she is the shadow broker? That or even the shadow Broker himself which didn't pass on the information to the Reapers/Cerberus?

 

Does that mean no geth shall be on this voyage, quarian, vorcha, batarians, elcor, hanar, drell, volus won't be on this voyage? Only four council races and the krogan for no reason?

[masster blaster]

Why should have Shepard know about it, if it was supposed to be a top secret project?

I'm not saying the explanation will be necessarily good (there are chances I won't like how the whole thing works). I'm simply wait to see what they came up with, and judge it afterwards.

Regardless if good or bad, the explanation will probably block the choices made in ME3 to affect MEA.

Also the Reapers are still in darkspace. There is NO way to get past all those Reapers if this is before ME3.

[The Elder King]

That makes zero sense seeing how the best of the minds in the galaxy were else where, resources were scattered, no race was willing to even WORK together, why didn't Wrex mention this? He is after all the leader of the Korgan if you pick him, Why didn't the Prime Arc know about this? How come the Rachni didn't get involved IF we are technically talking about past choices then that means we could have saved teh Rachni queen? Why didn't Liara know about this since she is the shadow broker? That or even the shadow Broker himself which didn't pass on the information to the Reapers/Cerberus?

 

Does that mean no geth shall be on this voyage, quarian, vorcha, batarians, elcor, hanar, drell, volus won't be on this voyage? Only four council races and the krogan for no reason?

The project might've started before ME3, not in the middle of the Reaper War. So the Racnhi won't have been involved. As for Liara, she's not all-knowing. She doesn't know what the asari hide in Thessia, for example. Not saying it's the same thing, but the Shadow Broker doesn't have to necessarily know everything.

The Primarch was appointed during the war, so he couldn't know before. 

As for the races, there are absolutely zero reason why most of those races won't be in Andromeda regardless of when the project started. Some yes, might not be present due to their particular situation (batarians, vorcha, geth). Though I doubt vorcha will be in regardless.

[The Elder King]

Also the Reapers are still in darkspace. There is NO way to get past all those Reapers if this is before ME3.

 

I said the project started before ME3. Not that the voyage started before ME3. They could go in the middle of it. Also, we have no clue how we actually go to Andromeda.

Again, I'm not saying the explanation will work, or will be reasonable. I'm saying it's likely to be something that would block the choices made in ME3, since on of the reason to go to Andromeda is to avoid picking canons.

[Cyonan]

Why isn't Andromeda totally dominated by godlike species, either organic or synthetic, if they have not had a billion-year cycle of destruction?

 

Why are there no Reapers there from the Milky Way, for that matter? (or if there are, what happened to them?)

 

Where the hell did the technology to cross two and a half million light-years of dark space come from to begin with?  This cycle was nowhere near that level of technology.

 

If star child was right and organics and synthetics can't live in peace, maybe they just kept destroying each other.

 

The reason why the Reapers wouldn't likely leave the Milky Way would be because they were trying to solve the problem of organics and synthetics always killing each other. They're basically scientists playing around in the lab that is the Milky Way. There's no need to go explore the entire rest of the universe.

 

Especially when you're an AI build by the species that think it's the apex of life, it's probably not even going to occur to them that somebody else might have figured it out first, so no need to go looking.

 

Despite being an AI, they've shown themselves to not be all that logical =P

[masster blaster]

The project might've started before ME3, not in the middle of the Reaper War. So the Racnhi won't have been involved. As for Liara, she's not all-knowing. She doesn't know what the asari hide in Thessia, for example. Not saying it's the same thing, but the Shadow Broker doesn't have to necessarily know everything.

The Primarch was appointed during the war, so he couldn't know before. 

As for the races, there are absolutely zero reason why most of those races won't be in Andromeda regardless of when the project started. Some yes, might not be present due to their particular situation (batarians, vorcha, geth). Though I doubt vorcha will be in regardless.

Before doesn't make things better. Also Rachni would most likely be. Come on they would book passage to this crusier on a whim. They are that smart. That is true yet that doesn't leave out Wrex not telling Shepard. Or Anderson depending on WHEN he stepped down. No but he also had waves of reports coming his way. I am sure he could have come across that report about an ark ship.

 

That seems like an excuse to be honest and they are going to another galaxy with advance tech that should have been applied during the war effort, as well as no idea if the next galaxy has large amounts of life and seeing how structures are built over there then that is all the more reason to question ME:A. Considering there are ancient ruins in ME:A from what is shown and can tell. You won't be able to have a large force considering how there will more than likely be a fraction of thousands of each race on the ship. That would hardly matter if you encounter a civilization far advance. Doesn't matter if you have ONE ship. That ship will be eaten up alive.

[themikefest]

Why isn't Andromeda totally dominated by godlike species, either organic or synthetic, if they have not had a billion-year cycle of destruction?

 

Why are there no Reapers there from the Milky Way, for that matter? (or if there are, what happened to them?)

 

Where the hell did the technology to cross two and a half million light-years of dark space come from to begin with?  This cycle was nowhere near that level of technology.

You don't need to know and there's not enough time to explain.

[masster blaster]

I said the project started before ME3. Not that the voyage started before ME3. They could go in the middle of it. Also, we have no clue how we actually go to Andromeda.

Again, I'm not saying the explanation will work, or will be reasonable. I'm saying it's likely to be something that would block the choices made in ME3, since on of the reason to go to Andromeda is to avoid picking canons.

I am being reasonable with you. If the project started before ME3 that makes no sense. All resources and the best scientist minds were working on the crucible. WHO else would be working on the Ark that should have been working on the crucible? WHERE was this hidden? Did Cerberus ever find our or constructed it? Seeing how they are the ones that built the Normandy design and the SR2. it wouldn't surprise me yet even so TIM's goal was to control the Reapers and i doubt they would be side working in an ark. If they did then how did they bypass the Reapers? There is a galactic war going on if they take off during the middle, and Shepard makes some heavy choices in the middle of the game in ME3. All special forces and the best of the best troops would be fighting out the Reapers if they take off during the war. It is pointless to really justify the theory to be honest if every scenario points to many plot holes and cop outs that really question the credibility of ME:A.

 

yes the game hasn't come out and we can't just judge it right off the bat but until it does we have the right to point out things that make no sense about ME:A already.

[masster blaster]

You don't need to know and there's not enough time to explain.

Yet this is a new galaxy and it would be stupid if "another" advance race was taken out and now even WITH a handful of species with NO major fleets would stand a chance against this new threat.....seriously the ark is it. Could ahve several ships within yet the major fleets are back in the milky way.

[masster blaster]

If star child was right and organics and synthetics can't live in peace, maybe they just kept destroying each other.

 

The reason why the Reapers wouldn't likely leave the Milky Way would be because they were trying to solve the problem of organics and synthetics always killing each other. They're basically scientists playing around in the lab that is the Milky Way. There's no need to go explore the entire rest of the universe.

 

Especially when you're an AI build by the species that think it's the apex of life, it's probably not even going to occur to them that somebody else might have figured it out first, so no need to go looking.

 

Despite being an AI, they've shown themselves to not be all that logical =P

That makes little sense. Synthesis is the final evolution and everlasting peace. No reason for ME:A game. If control then that means either Shepard went full retarded and started to harvest everyone then by god you f'd up. However i doubt this seeing how everyone accepts Shepard and the Reapers in the slide shows. Nobody challenged Shepard and any "secrete leaving plans" is stupid for you already see everyone embracing each-other.

 

As for Destroy possible yet that means ME:A would invalidate the other endings. And they would be "what ifs" If refuse then.....no since everything was pored into the crucible. All would be lost.

 

And Bioware screwed up the Reapers on that part. To think we all thought they were just doing this because that is how they are only to be bossed around by a child who somehow knew about the boy that haunted Shepard throughout the game and Shepard magically doesn't complain or raise question about this somehow just accepts everything while also trying to argue.

 

Still would destroy the Reapers no matter the cost for no race deserves to be a Reaper and they have caused too much suffering.

[Cyonan]

That makes little scene. Synthesis is the final evolution and everlasting peace. No reason for ME:A game. If control then that means either Shepard went full retarded and started to harvest everyone then by god you f'd up. However i doubt this seeing how everyone accepts Shepard and the Reapers in the slide shows. Nobody challenged Shepard and any "secrete leaving plans" is stupid for you already see everyone embracing each-other.

 

As for Destroy possible yet that means ME:A would invalidate the other endings. And they would be "what ifs" If refuse then.....no since everything was pored into the crucible. All would be lost.

 

And Bioware screwed up the Reapers on that part. To think we all thought they were just doing this because that is how they are only to be bossed around by a child who somehow knew about the boy that haunted Shepard throughout the game and Shepard magically doesn't complain or raise question about this somehow just accepts everything while also trying to argue.

 

Still would destroy the Reapers no matter the cost for no race deserves to be a Reaper and they have caused too much suffering.

 

The plans for leaving will probably be enacted before the endings, or any of the major choices of ME3. If the goal is to completely separate yourself from the choices of the Shep trilogy, then that's the only logical solution. If you leave before the choice was made, you don't have to acknowledge it having been made.

 

My guess is that the Ark will leave sometime around the start of Mass Effect 3. The project will be explained as a project either for exploration reasons or for insurance in case we lose the Reaper war, and if it's the second one then it will likely just be the Humans and Turians working on it(the ones that believe Shep, anyway). The technology doesn't exist in our cycle, so it seems likely that they'll just claim we discovered some ancient experiment technology from a previous cycle.

 

It's also top secret, and Shep probably isn't told because they don't need to know. Thus, we as players aren't made aware of it either.

 

The Reapers were being bossed around by an AI, not a child. The AI only took that form while talking to Shep because it pulled it out of Shep's mind. The reasons for doing it is still incredibly silly, but the AI itself is not actually a child. It's whatever it wants to appear as.

 

Why the Reapers aren't in Andromeda is what I was posting before. Since they're trying to find the solution to organics vs synthetics and they were built by the Leviathans, it probably didn't occur to them that somebody else might figure it out first so in their minds there's no reason to go looking outside of the Milky Way which is their testing grounds.

 

Likewise without the Reapers, it could be explained that there is no hyper advanced billions of years old species because synthetics and organics kept destroying each other like they originally were in the Milky Way before the Reapers showed up.

[Scarlett]

Just a thought : did you ever consider that the Ark could have been built during the 2 years Shepard "died" (so between ME1-2) ? By a secret faction of people who actually believe the Reapers really exist and will destroy all the living MW species (I just can't believe everybody in the galaxy swallow the official crappy story after what happened on the Citadel) ? So the Ark could a secret project done for saving people from each species and leave the galaxy before anything bad happen.

 

About Hidding the ark, it's totally possible on a distant solar system where nobody officially live... after all Saren was able to hide Sovereign for years without any suspicion.

 

Maybe I'm thinking too much