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[Yggdrasil]

The galaxy is a big place, and I'm sure there were many contingency plans put into place.  The Crucible wouldn't have the capacity to house EVERY scientist and engineer in the galaxy, assuming everyone was on board that this hypothetical Prothean weapon was really the only, best option for defeating the Reapers.  I can easily see the psychology where the galactic races would put their hopes in the Ark program so that at least some members of their species survived even if the entire species' galactic civilization is wiped out.

 

You have to look at this move to Andromeda from a game developer perspective.  After the ME3 ending, BioWare basically had two choices: arbitrarily choose a canon ending or do a soft reboot.  Fans would have lost their minds if they picked one of the endings, so they came up with this idea to move to Andromeda where they won't have to deal with the original trilogy's baggage.  I'm pretty confident that our new characters in Andromeda will be too far removed in time and space from the Reaper war to ever know how it turned out.  I think that will be established in the prologue of ME:A.  I also imagine that we'll be so concerned with our immediate survival that we won't spend too much time worrying about the outcome.  My personal guess is that we'll get to Andromeda on a generational ship, so after a few hundred years and several generations, we'll be even more removed from the Reaper war.

[wolfsite]

Frankly this discussions really can't be concluded because there are too many unknowns and anything close to fact is either speculation or rumour at best.

 

-Right now we don't know when the ark was built.

 

-Right now we don't know when the ark was launched.

 

-Right now we don't know who knew of it's existence (the only person we can guess that knows is the Asari councilor but that again is just speculation based on one line of dialogue that can be very broadly used to explain a lot of things.)

 

-Right now we don't know if Shepard knew of it's existence as teh character has never mentioned anything that could relate to it in game and the N7 video could can be seen as Shepard talking to the fans about the next journey and thus is out of canon.

 

-Right now we don't even know how much time the Ark will spend in transit or how far into the future of the events in ME3 the game will be.

 

So right now there are just too many gaps that we need Bioware to fill for this discussion to really be of any value since what most are discussing is what might happen, and we can't have a final answer based on what might happen.

[The Elder King]

Before doesn't make things better. Also Rachni would most likely be. Come on they would book passage to this crusier on a whim. They are that smart. That is true yet that doesn't leave out Wrex not telling Shepard. Or Anderson depending on WHEN he stepped down. No but he also had waves of reports coming his way. I am sure he could have come across that report about an ark ship.

 

That seems like an excuse to be honest and they are going to another galaxy with advance tech that should have been applied during the war effort, as well as no idea if the next galaxy has large amounts of life and seeing how structures are built over there then that is all the more reason to question ME:A. Considering there are ancient ruins in ME:A from what is shown and can tell. You won't be able to have a large force considering how there will more than likely be a fraction of thousands of each race on the ship. That would hardly matter if you encounter a civilization far advance. Doesn't matter if you have ONE ship. That ship will be eaten up alive.

 

 

I am being reasonable with you. If the project started before ME3 that makes no sense. All resources and the best scientist minds were working on the crucible. WHO else would be working on the Ark that should have been working on the crucible? WHERE was this hidden? Did Cerberus ever find our or constructed it? Seeing how they are the ones that built the Normandy design and the SR2. it wouldn't surprise me yet even so TIM's goal was to control the Reapers and i doubt they would be side working in an ark. If they did then how did they bypass the Reapers? There is a galactic war going on if they take off during the middle, and Shepard makes some heavy choices in the middle of the game in ME3. All special forces and the best of the best troops would be fighting out the Reapers if they take off during the war. It is pointless to really justify the theory to be honest if every scenario points to many plot holes and cop outs that really question the credibility of ME:A.

 

yes the game hasn't come out and we can't just judge it right off the bat but until it does we have the right to point out things that make no sense about ME:A already.

You're assuming that Wrex or Anderson knew, or that Cerberus knew or helped, or many stuff. Also, the project might have started long before ME3, right after ME. We simply have no clue on what Bioware planned.

Also, you're assuming I will like how we go to Andromeda, or that I think it'll make sense. I just told you the first things that popped in my head, based on the theory the Ark start its voyage before ME3's major choices, so it won't be affected by it.

Also, I do thing theorizing is fine, but at the moment there are no plot holes, lorebreaking stuff, or problems with Andromeda, because we simply know nothing on how the MW species went there. You can assume that there'll be plotholes or stuff like this, but at the moment you have no clue to say it'll surely will. After they'll reveal how the it worked we can state if there voyage makes no sense or not.

[Akernis]

Also the Reapers are still in darkspace. There is NO way to get past all those Reapers if this is before ME3.

Then you have no idea how truly, ridiculously, mind-bogglingly vast space actually is. Allow me to put things into perspective.

 

If we say hypothetically that there were ten thousand Reapers. Extrapolating from the reapers' size, the ending of ME2 shows that the reapers were clustered together within a dozen or so kilometres of each other. To keep thing simple, basic math goes that if ten thousand three-kilometre long reapers are within a dozen kilometres of each other, in a cube-like formation they would cover an area of space no more than roughly 320 cubic kilometres.

 

So the smart thing of course would simply be to fly out of the galaxy elsewhere than where they were. In fact, the chances of actually hitting something as small as 320 cubic kilometres out in space would be so ridiculously small that I can't even hope to calculate them. 

 

But even if the ark didn't do the smart thing but flew out right in the general area where they were. Let's say the reaper have scanners that can detect something as stupidly tiny as a starship with a range of a solar system (12.000.000.000 kilometers). Then if the Ark flew as close as within the distance between two close solar systems of the reapers (which is very close when talking galactic scale) they would still be 4,065¹³ kilometers (40.650.000.000.000 km - or - 40.5 trillion kilometres) away. Which means that the ark is 6.775 times their scanner distance away. Which is about the same as a person trying to see another person 13.500 kilometers away. That is between two and three times as long as someone in London trying to spot someone in Los Angeles with the naked eye.  

 

Chances of actually being detected by the reapers is so stupidly small that it is not even worth trying to calculate.

 

Even if the reapers were to split up to cover as much ground as possible around the edge of the galaxy that would be one reaper for every 2,98¹⁴ kilometer (298.000.000.000.000 km)... I think it would be fairly easy to slip through that particular net. 

[fizzypop]

I'm not even entirely sure that krogan will be there in large numbers. They could have be a stowaways for all we know. We don't have any real confirmation what races will be on the ark. And in what numbers.

[The Elder King]

I'm not even entirely sure that krogan will be there in large numbers. They could have be a stowaways for all we know. We don't have any real confirmation what races will be on the ark. And in what numbers.

Well, they're mentioned in a leak, which states

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that they have a colony ship.

Though I do agree with your point.

[Drone223]

Why isn't Andromeda totally dominated by godlike species, either organic or synthetic, if they have not had a billion-year cycle of destruction?

 

Why are there no Reapers there from the Milky Way, for that matter? (or if there are, what happened to them?)

 

Where the hell did the technology to cross two and a half million light-years of dark space come from to begin with?  This cycle was nowhere near that level of technology.

Given bioware's track record with retcon's and poorly implemented plot devices in the ME series, I wouldn't be surprised if the explanations we get will be as good as the explanations for the Lazarus project and synthesis.

[Grieving Natashina]

While the endings shouldn't be touched since it's such a huge mess, I do hope the current ME team addresses a few points. Such as the fate of the geth or the quarians or the genophage. We had the chance as players to potentially commit genocide (geth/quarian) or keep a race in a form of stasis (the krogan.)

One of my complaints about BW games lately is the some of the choices. I've seen things from the elven and mage boons or the Old God Baby from Origins get handwaved or turn out utterly meaningless. Anders can live to see DA2 despite the player possibly intentionally getting him killed in DA:A. Most of the entire story of DA2 with the templars and mages is more or less resolved before Skyhold in DA:I.

I'm also aware that ME stumbled quite a bit in that regard. It didn't matter in ME2 if you kept the Collector Base or not. There is a lot of substitute characters (like not-Legion) that makes some of those squadmate/NPC choices become irrelevant. ME3 offered interesting and very conficting choices for the ending, to the point of needing to move to an entirely different galaxy in order to continue with the ME franchise.

You know it's bad when it can't even be fully retconned or handwaved without leaving all of the Milky Way behind. That's really getting old. I still love the company (otherwise I wouldn't be here nor playing their games,) but if it's a matter of choice versus story consistency, I'd rather see them error on the side of consistency.

I have a few ideas about the Ark. My theory is related to the Asari and this post turned out longer than I thought. I'm putting it into spoiler tags to save some space. I'm not going to even pretend that anything I say is fact, it's just one area I can see the story going. I've also read some other theories that are probably better predictions than mine.

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After playing ME3 again awhile back, I came to the conclusion that the Asari might have built the Ark. However, I don't think it was just whipped up during the events of the first ME games. First, I think the Asari might have been trying to work on their own tech for intergalaxic travel. I could completely see them wanting to try to get to Andromeda in order to establish another foothold and start a government run by them. Why? Because they could and because they wanted to expand their influences. It's mortal nature after all. What's over that next hill? Can we claim that hill for our own?

I don't hate the race, but I'm not a huge fan either. Too arrogant, too sneaky and not as cute as they (and some of the writers) think they are. Watching Thessia fall was kind of grimly satisfying to me. I hated the way Shep loses to Kai Lang, but I felt the race had it coming. It wasn't because of Liara or her "father" or Samara or the Consort. Most of the race came off as a bunch of jerks that thought they were above everyone else. I'm not fond of the typical High Elf trope and putting that kind of race in space doesn't make it any less groan-worthy.

Anyway, they probably planned to bring the best/brightest from multiple species in order to get started. I could see this as a multi-generational project that they were quietly working on for something like 10,000 years or heck, even longer.

I also think it was a sort of a Plan B for the Asari. There is evidence in the game that stories about the Reapers were passed down on Thessia. However, as the Asari society and science progressed, those stories were watered down and likely became muddled. Still, as shown in Thessia, the goverment knew things that the average Asari didn't. They might have taken those stories more seriously and began working on what we're calling the Ark. It's very reminiscent of the Citadel. On a meta level, I can certainly see why it would be a bit of a cop-out for the design. On the other, it makes perfect sense to me. I could certainly see the Asari basing any huge colony ship design on the Citadel.

As far as when they left, I think they started either near the beginning of ME3 or after the fall of Thessia. "I never thought this day would come." My thought after hearing about ME:A was, "Oh don't give me that. You are just crushed that your pedestal was torn down and you can't stroll into another galaxy to dominate at your own leisure." I think the Asari's goverment is not that different from the Protheans. They both were (or wanted to be) rulers of the galaxy. The Asari came across as kinder, but it's silk wrapped in the same kind of steel.

Is any of this correct? Hell if I know. I do know that we might get a few answers next month.