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[Iakus]

Its exactly the same level. Things get cut, things get added, things get changed. Video game development does not work in a way that allows a static plan to dictate a decade of development. 

 

Bioware might decide to have a new protagonist - maybe they think it will work better, maybe they think it would be better for marketing, maybe EA will tell them they have to, maybe they think it will be a better story. But I would bet everything I own that it won't be because they had a "plan" 8 years ago when they didn't even think Origins would get a sequel.

 

Maybe at some point they will.  But I'[m also sure they realize (and Mass Effect proved) that returning characters also means returning baggage.

 

But so far there is zero indication that they are altering this particular course.  And as I said before, Trespasser strongly indicates that they will continue with a new protagonist in DA4

 

 

Also, if Trespasser heavily implied the Inquisitor wouldn't return, there wouldn't be numerous people who hate returning protagonists, and didn't want to see the Inquisitor again after the base game, and didn't expect that to ever be a possibility, considering whether they should now return.

You're going to have to explain this one to me.

[Dai Grepher]

My guess is that the (ex)Inquisitor will return as a detective in DA4 who lends the new protagonist a helping... hand.

*Ugh!*

[PapaCharlie9]

And I'm still kinda mad about that to. Why are they the only ones ************ especially Sera. Cullen I understand, but Sera!!! It really didn't fit her character at all.
P.S I'm a Cassshipper

Well, since this thread is already derailed, I guess I'll pile on.

I have to disagree. I think the Trespasser conclusion to Seraship makes perfect sense. Is it corny, mawkish and kind of a cynical play for feels? Sure, but I enjoyed it anyway. Out of character? No.

 

The IQ's romance in the main game is portrayed as a major turning point in Sera's life. All her goofy, vulgar, just-for-fun frolics before that point didn't mean anything. The relationship with your IQ does. A lot of romcoms start out with a character that is a feckless dog that chases from bed to bed, but with a gaping hole in their heart that can't be filled up with all the frolicking. Then some LI comes along and changes their whole life. They fill up the emptiness. That's the Sera story all over. Totally formula really, so it's no surprise that the Trespasser handling of the conclusion is just as formulaic.

As to why no other romance gets special treatment, let's run them down. No Trespasser spoilers.

TL;DR - I agree that something could have been done with Dorian and Blackwall, maybe Josie too -- at the risk of doing a half-assed job -- but the rest are either rule-outs or too costly because the character can be in multiple states in Trespasser.

Cassandra: There's an obvious opportunity to portray a break-up, either because she's Divine and being pressured to give up the relationship and is ready to quit the Starburst Throne all on account of your IQ, so you dump her for her own good, or because she's rebooting the Seekers or Templars and feels guilty about not spending enough time with your IQ, so she dumps you. But you see the problem, right? Because Cass can be in two different states, that's two completely different romance conclusions they'd have to script, develop and test. Too expensive.

Iron Bull: Well, it's obvious why this one can't be done. No spoilers.

Dorian: Okay, here I think you have a point. Unless you booted him out of the Inquisition, Dorian is only in one state at the start of Trespasser, so there shouldn't be a problem with doing some kind of romance conclusion for him. Arguably, the way he plans to tie up his loose ends in Tevinter preclude anything permanent (no spoilers), but that's kind of weak. Some kind of big last farewell break-up would have been both fitting and economical.

Josie: Josie already gets a special scene regardless of your romance status with her. Maybe that could have been elaborated, or something tacked on the end if she was your LI, but that really wouldn't do the Disney-princess romance justice. Again, here, I think the argument against is cost.

Solas: hah!

Blackwall: It's remotely possible Blackwall could be in two states (Revelations or no Revelations), but who completes a romance with Blackwall without doing Revelations? So theoretically it could have been done on the assumption Revelations happened. You could even retcon Revelations happening in the 2 gap years, if you didn't complete the quest in the main game. So there's really no reason not to do something about this in Trespasser. Could be a break-up, could be some form of absolution by way of romance.






 

[nightscrawl]

Dorian: Okay, here I think you have a point. Unless you booted him out of the Inquisition, Dorian is only in one state at the start of Trespasser, so there shouldn't be a problem with doing some kind of romance conclusion for him. Arguably, the way he plans to tie up his loose ends in Tevinter preclude anything permanent (no spoilers), but that's kind of weak. Some kind of big last farewell break-up would have been both fitting and economical.

This is highly dependent on the Inquisitor and the person's roleplay for them and the relationship. I didn't have any issues whatsoever with how it all played out. Indeed, I was expecting it. I'm not pleased, and neither is my Inquisitor, but I am more or less satisfied.

Spoiler

I don't know what you mean by "tie up loose ends in Tevinter." He's going back to be a magister and fix the place. That's a pretty long-term goal.

 

The relationship IS still ongoing. He refers to the Inquisitor as the "man he loves," and all indications are that he expects the relationship to continue. I didn't feel that there needed to be some sort of conclusion as long as it was acknowledged that they are still a couple. But again, that is for MY Inquisitor, and I know that there are other players that feel differently about it all.

However, I will say that, however much I love Dorian and the relationship, I think it would have been fair to give the Inquisitor a breakup option in the scene. Sort of like, "After what you said after the Temple of Mythal, I thought I could deal with it, but I guess I was wrong. I can't spend some indeterminate time pining away for you, waiting for you to fix Tevinter, when we both know that may never happen." (And no, I would never even YouTube this to see how it played out. Just the thought is terrible.)

I know there are players who felt bitter about the path that the Dorian romance took and I think that is a legitimate option to provide for those players.

[PapaCharlie9]

This is highly dependent on the Inquisitor and the person's roleplay for them and the relationship. I didn't have any issues whatsoever with how it all played out. Indeed, I was expecting it. I'm not pleased, and neither is my Inquisitor, but I am more or less satisfied.

Spoiler

I don't know what you mean by "tie up loose ends in Tevinter." He's going back to be a magister and fix the place. That's a pretty long-term goal.
 
The relationship IS still ongoing. He refers to the Inquisitor as the "man he loves," and all indications are that he expects the relationship to continue. I didn't feel that there needed to be some sort of conclusion as long as it was acknowledged that they are still a couple. But again, that is for MY Inquisitor, and I know that there are other players that feel differently about it all.

However, I will say that, however much I love Dorian and the relationship, I think it would have been fair to give the Inquisitor a breakup option in the scene. Sort of like, "After what you said after the Temple of Mythal, I thought I could deal with it, but I guess I was wrong. I can't spend some indeterminate time pining away for you, waiting for you to fix Tevinter, when we both know that may never happen." (And no, I would never even YouTube this to see how it played out. Just the thought is terrible.)

I know there are players who felt bitter about the path that the Dorian romance took and I think that is a legitimate option to provide for those players.

I was just being vague so as not to require spoiler tags. I understand your point, but I'm on the side who is bitter. Say what you will about stereotypes, but Dorian is flamboyant. The conclusion we're given, as mature and sensible as it may be -- heck, I would have welcomed such a conclusion for Cullen's romance -- it just doesn't fit Dorian's character as portrayed.

[PapaCharlie9]

Oh, something else I wanted to comment on:
 

1. 5 - 10 hours

Note that this was the high estimate. A lot of people mentioned shorter times.

I knew I played slowly, but wow, I had no idea how slowly. Twenty hours seems like a minimum to me for Trespasser. I easily spent 20 hours on my first run and I didn't do a single one of the hidden puzzles or special side-quests. I didn't even find all the parts of The Taken Shape.

For level setting, I typically spend 100 hours on the main game per playthrough, not counting DLCs. And I don't even do everything. In the PT I just finished, I didn't open the Fallow Mire and I barely touched Crestwood or the Western Approach.

I spend way too much time in the Undercroft and the BE, that's for sure. Heck, it takes me a couple of hours just to complete the CC and start the Prologue.

[Dai Grepher]

I have to disagree. I think the Trespasser conclusion to Seraship makes perfect sense. Is it corny, mawkish and kind of a cynical play for feels? Sure, but I enjoyed it anyway. Out of character? No.

Eh, I think the void is filled by any Inquisitor who befriends her. She's never had a real friend before.

Cassandra: There's an obvious opportunity to portray a break-up, either because she's Divine and being pressured to give up the relationship and is ready to quit the Starburst Throne all on account of your IQ, so you dump her for her own good, or because she's rebooting the Seekers or Templars and feels guilty about not spending enough time with your IQ, so she dumps you. But you see the problem, right? Because Cass can be in two different states, that's two completely different romance conclusions they'd have to script, develop and test. Too expensive.

Huh? Cass doesn't break up with the Inquisitor if she's rebuilding the Seekers.

[Abyss108]

You're going to have to explain this one to me.

 

 

A lot of people who want the Inquisitor back, didn't want the Inquisitor back before Trespasser. They were convinced the Inquisitor was coming back because Trespasser suggested it. It didn't heavily suggest they wouldn't return at all. 

 

For example, I hate returning protagonists, the fact that Dragon Age has a new protagonist every game is one of my favourite things about the series and why I don't really like Mass Effect. I didn't expect or want the Inquisitor to return until the end of Trespasser -  an ending that left me completely and utterly confused because I knew about and 100% supported the new-protagonist-every-game rule, but everything I had just experienced said the Inquisitor was coming back.

[Havyn25]

1) It was 5-6 hours for me, but I was playing on casual. The battles might take longer on Nightmare or Hard I suppose.

 

2) No, it resolves some of the Solas subplot, not all of it. More questions than answers, again

 

3) I only ever romanced Dorian, so can't comment on the authors. It suited the character, but both me and my Inquisitor were a little disappointed. The ending Dorian slide made it seem better though.

 

4) Mage seems the best class storywise due to lots of lore reveals.

 

5) If you want to get the cutscenes at the Winter Palace with all your companions, make sure you've done their personal quests and are friends with them.

 

[PapaCharlie9]

Huh? Cass doesn't break up with the Inquisitor if she's rebuilding the Seekers.

Like I said, a missed opportunity. If you think about the way Cass's romance is portrayed, hard on the outside -- mushy on the inside, shouldn't she be conflicted? Shouldn't she feel guilty for not spending more time with the Inquisitor (like he has tons himself)? Shouldn't her hard exterior self come to the conclusion that making this sacrifice is the right thing to do? It's not like she's a stranger to sacrifice.

Trespasser was an opportunity to explore that conflict and resolve it with some additional cutscene content, like for Cullen or Sera. That's all I'm saying. Well, and that the reason they didn't do it is because also having to deal with her being Divine/not-Divine would cost too much.

[Dai Grepher]

Well, she had a letter that mentioned what she did in the last few years. She did indicate that she felt bad being away from the Inquisitor for as long as she was.

But I think the romance could have been portrayed better. Something tying into the poetic theme of the romance. I don't think it was a worldstate or budget issue though. All of Trespasser was rather phoned in.