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[Dalakaar]

Trust me, I know a few.

Break them.

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Ethnic cleansing song:

[SKAR]

Break them.

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Ethnic cleansing song:

catchy. I like it.

[Killroy]

ME3 was good up until the ending. It's not like the series was some sort of flawless masterpiece until ME3. 

 

The stupid dream sequences were good? Shepard being an emotional wreck for no reason was good? Mars archive asspull was good? Sexbot EDI was good? Cerberus becoming the largest, most well funded army in the galaxy overnight was good? The Reapers having a smaller presence in the galaxy than Cerberus was good? Kai Leng, the cereal killer, was good? Thane's completely avoidable death was good? 

[Iakus]

ME3 was good up until the ending. It's not like the series was some sort of flawless masterpiece until ME3. 

ME3 was adequate up until the ending.  There were far too many cringeworthy elements for it to be "good"  But it did have its moments.  

 

Not nearly enough though.

[Hazegurl]

The stupid dream sequences were good? Shepard being an emotional wreck for no reason was good? Mars archive asspull was good? Sexbot EDI was good? Cerberus becoming the largest, most well funded army in the galaxy overnight was good? The Reapers having a smaller presence in the galaxy than Cerberus was good? Kai Leng, the cereal killer, was good? Thane's completely avoidable death was good? 

Was the crappy combat in ME1 good? Overheating weapons? Cluttered Inventory. Driving a wobbly vehicle around dull lifeless planets and expecting to actually shoot from it? Collecting stupid trinkets that meant nothing even though you're supposed to be stopping someone trying to open the door for an ancient machine race who wants to turn everyone to jelly? How about them romance bugs? Were the blink and you missed it squad quests good?  Walking around all the most boring parts of the Citadel. No Kaidan romance for MShep. Was listening to Liara's VA good? Oh yeah and Saren just walking away and leaving the beacon for anybody to come and look at instead of him and Sovereign just blasting it from the air killing Shepard and co. and calling it a day.  And Saren falling for a distraction team just because Shepard decides to go save them instead of heading straight for the bomb site anyway to save all the money, time, and research used on building an indoctrinated genophage cured Krogan army.

 

Like I said before. The ME series was hardly a flawless masterpiece until ME3.

 

As for ME3,  I agree with most of what you post. The dream sequences and the Thane treatment sucked, oh yeah and Kai Lang. Crying over Thessia was lame.  But Cerberus did not become well funded overnight. They had their hands in well funded, reaper like, and shady projects since ME1. And it was stated multiple times that TIM spent a ton of money bringing Shep back, and that Shep and Co and their suicide mission was just one of TIM's many projects.  IDK why anyone would think TIM having a well funded army is so out of the blue.  The only thing that truly sucked about ME3 (Pre ending) was not being able to use TIM's research.  He was successful in controlling Reaper forces. Who needed the Crucible at that point? But nope, Shepard and the alliance won't use it because the research to achieve it was unethical. smh

 

Overall, I had a great time playing ME3 and whenever I replay the series again it's usually because I really want to play ME3 again more than the others. Most of the time I just use my save file and skip ME1.   So yeah ME3 was good until the end.

[Addictress]

So I'm guessing NeoGAF is like the hardest of core gamers?

[Element Zero]

So I'm guessing NeoGAF is like the hardest of core gamers?

That's an accurate assessment, I'd say. They're a dedicated group. The wait time to get your application for membership approved is pretty lengthy, often several months. I'm not sure if that is because they really feel that they need that much time, or if it adds to the NeoGAF aura, or maybe a bit of both. I really don't know much about the site.

[AlanC9]

Is this going to be another one of those threads where we try and prove which ME game was the worst?

[Killroy]

Was the crappy combat in ME1 good? Overheating weapons? Cluttered Inventory. Driving a wobbly vehicle around dull lifeless planets and expecting to actually shoot from it? Collecting stupid trinkets that meant nothing even though you're supposed to be stopping someone trying to open the door for an ancient machine race who wants to turn everyone to jelly? How about them romance bugs? Were the blink and you missed it squad quests good?  Walking around all the most boring parts of the Citadel. No Kaidan romance for MShep. Was listening to Liara's VA good? Oh yeah and Saren just walking away and leaving the beacon for anybody to come and look at instead of him and Sovereign just blasting it from the air killing Shepard and co. and calling it a day.  And Saren falling for a distraction team just because Shepard decides to go save them instead of heading straight for the bomb site anyway to save all the money, time, and research used on building an indoctrinated genophage cured Krogan army.
 
Like I said before. The ME series was hardly a flawless masterpiece until ME3.

 
If you have to defend a game by putting down other games then you might as well not be defending that game.
I already said ME1 gameplay was clunky, but that doesn't make ME3 better than it is. And I'll take overheating and the Mako over ammo and zero exploration every time.
 

As for ME3,  I agree with most of what you post. The dream sequences and the Thane treatment sucked, oh yeah and Kai Lang. Crying over Thessia was lame.  But Cerberus did not become well funded overnight. They had their hands in well funded, reaper like, and shady projects since ME1. And it was stated multiple times that TIM spent a ton of money bringing Shep back, and that Shep and Co and their suicide mission was just one of TIM's many projects.  IDK why anyone would think TIM having a well funded army is so out of the blue.  The only thing that truly sucked about ME3 (Pre ending) was not being able to use TIM's research.  He was successful in controlling Reaper forces. Who needed the Crucible at that point? But nope, Shepard and the alliance won't use it because the research to achieve it was unethical. smh

Cerberus was already ridiculous by the time ME2 started because they went from a rogue black ops unit of the Alliance to a galaxy-wide organization with more money and loyalty than God in less than a year. But to go from having a ton of money, to having infinite money and manpower is stupid no matter how you try to spin it. Cerberus was literally a more effective and ubiquitous threat to the galaxy during the Reaper invasion than the Reapers. The Reapers can go wherever they want, essentially unopposed because of how powerful they are, but it's Cerberus doing all of the heavy lifting? That's just lousy writing, and clearly done for the sole purpose of forcing Cerberus into the plot.
 

Overall, I had a great time playing ME3 and whenever I replay the series again it's usually because I really want to play ME3 again more than the others. Most of the time I just use my save file and skip ME1.   So yeah ME3 was good until the end.

Good for you, but to say ME3 is good until the end is just dumb. Every time someone says "ME3 was great until the last 10 minutes" I want to punch them in their stupid faces.
 

That's an accurate assessment, I'd say. They're a dedicated group. The wait time to get your application for membership approved is pretty lengthy, often several months. I'm not sure if that is because they really feel that they need that much time, or if it adds to the NeoGAF aura, or maybe a bit of both. I really don't know much about the site.

It's all about cultivating an aura of exclusivity and privilege. There's no reason for it to take 3+ months to approve a request. It takes a few weeks to vet someone to become a Vice Presidential candidate for the US, but NeoGaf needs months to vet a nerd for a forum? And don't let the exclusivity fool you. NeoGaf is boring and douchey. They take themselves way too seriously and are constantly looking for approval to like the things they like. You know that one friend every group has that's desperate to be in the know about all the things the rest of the group is into but also constantly looking for validation, to the point of being annoying as hell? That's pretty much everyone on NeoGaf.

[AlanC9]

Yep, looks like it is. I'll just throw in with Hazegurl and call it a night.

[niniendowarrior]

Different strokes for different folks.  I'd personally take ME2 and ME3 over ME1 any day but that doesn't mean someone who loves ME1 has an invalid position.  Let's just all get along instead of trying to bash games.

[Sylvianus]

 

Good for you, but to say ME3 is good until the end is just dumb. Every time someone says "ME3 was great until the last 10 minutes" I want to punch them in their stupid faces.

 

I feel like 90% of fans claimed that M3 was " awesome " until the last 10 minutes. That's astonishing. Then, I'm also thinking that 90% of fans have no idea what is good and serious writting. And I rarely judge. But there, they lost my respect with that ridiculous line. 

 

There are many issues before earth and way too many wtf moment in M3, especially with Cerberus. Maybe the cerberus plot against the Citadel was the one that made me cringe the most. 

 

I still liked the game, because it's mass effect after all, but no, the last 10 minutes aren't certainly the only issues I've seen. 

[Han Shot First]

I thought ME3 was great until the last 5 or 10 minutes. That isn't to say that there wasn't stuff prior to the endings that I found flawed, just that those flaws weren't as big of a deal for me as they were for some others. They also weren't problems that were absent from the prior two games.

 

Overall I'd rank the games in descending order. ME3 > ME2 > ME1

 

The only thing the first two games had over ME3 was better endings. ME1 is also highly overrated on this forum, mainly because dat nostalgia. The gameplay was dated as **** even in 2008 and the story has a plot hole so large you could fly the Destiny Ascension through it.

[The Elder King]

I feel like 90% of fans claimed that M3 was " awesome " until the last 10 minutes. That's astonishing. Then, I'm also thinking that 90% of fans have no idea what is good and serious writting. And I rarely judge. But there, they lost my respect with that ridiculous line. 

 

There are many issues before earth and way too many wtf moment in M3, especially with Cerberus. Maybe the cerberus plot against the Citadel was the one that made me cringe the most. 

 

I still liked the game, because it's mass effect after all, but no, the last 10 minutes aren't certainly the only issues I've seen. 

This forum clearly hasn't that big of a majority that liked ME3 until the ending. It might be that most of the people who bought the game share this view of saying that the game was great until the endings, but there's no way to know that.

Hazegurl's situation is different though, since he recognized that the game had its flaws. His position is more based on the fact that the other games of the trilogy had their flaws as well. While I don't completely agreee with what he said (Cerberus), it is possibile to really enjoy the game up to the endings despite the problem it has, and finding it good.

Plus it's not like we don't have people considering ME and/or ME2 almost flawless masterpieces. (Some, and not Hazegurl based on his post) ME3 fans are in good company.

[Commander Rpg]

Of course it wasn't.

And at this point I would bring in a nice little quote by none other than JRR Tolkien to nicely illustrate the point I would be making here. However, the internet seems incapable at telling the difference between Tolkien himself and his books so won't actually give me the quote I need because it keeps spouting "All that is gold does not glitter," at me.

Therefore, just pretend that I said something which got my ideas across to you and that you are now totally understanding of where I am supposed to be coming from here.

It's this one

 

[JoltDealer]

"This is a spiritual successor to Mass Effect 1.  This is what ME1 was envisioned to be."

 

That is music to my ears.  Mass Effect 1 was ambitious and innovative, but it was so clunky that you could break the game without trying.  However, there were a lot of good ideas in there that simply weren't executed well due to the technology at the time.  Andromeda sounds very appealing if all this is true.  

[Cz-99]

I'll keep my hype at a reasonable level. Hoping for all the best, but I can't take this random dude's word for it.

[Prince Enigmatic]

The stupid dream sequences were good? Shepard being an emotional wreck for no reason was good? Mars archive asspull was good? Sexbot EDI was good? Cerberus becoming the largest, most well funded army in the galaxy overnight was good? The Reapers having a smaller presence in the galaxy than Cerberus was good? Kai Leng, the cereal killer, was good? Thane's completely avoidable death was good?

Ok, the second part.

Shepard being an emotional wreck for no reason.

I know this is your opinion, but I mean, playing ME3, isn't there plenty of reasons for Shepard to maybe get a bit emotional? You know actually start displaying human emotions for the first time in the trilogy? War, death, destruction. I shouldn't have to cite examples because anyone who's witness all that death and knowing all that was going on elsewhere and the chances of stopping it are slim, would probably get a bit emotional and overwhelmed in their more private moments may be. Shepard being emotional, I don't think a "wreck" is an accurate term, was one of the better things in ME3 for me, he actually was humanised more.

Unless you find him an emotional wreck for no reason more of a disliking at your presumably male protagonist not being an emotionless psychologically scarred manly "I don't feel things" super soldier anymore? That in ME3 there was a slight tweak into making him less of a generic video game protagonist? Cause if you didn't like Shepard emoting as a human being, that's fine, but its hardly a problem or a sign of weak writing in ME3.

[The Elder King]

Ok, the second part.

Shepard being an emotional wreck for no reason.

I know this is your opinion, but I mean, playing ME3, isn't there plenty of reasons for Shepard to maybe get a bit emotional? You know actually start displaying human emotions for the first time in the trilogy? War, death, destruction. I shouldn't have to cite examples because anyone who's witness all that death and knowing all that was going on elsewhere and the chances of stopping it are slim, would probably get a bit emotional and overwhelmed in their more private moments may be. Shepard being emotional, I don't think a "wreck" is an accurate term, was one of the better things in ME3 for me, he actually was humanised more.

Unless you find him an emotional wreck for no reason more of a disliking at your presumably male protagonist not being an emotionless psychologically scarred manly "I don't feel things" super soldier anymore? That in ME3 there was a slight tweak into making him less of a generic video game protagonist? Cause if you didn't like Shepard emoting as a human being, that's fine, but its hardly a problem or a sign of weak writing in ME3.

The problem, as I see it, it's that it shouldn't have been forced on the players. Which is (for me) one of them main problems of ME3, there's less control of Shepard compared to the previous games.

People cope with this type of situation in different ways, based on their personality and values. It's not right to force every players (and every type of Shepard) in one direction, in my opinion.

[BSpud]

 

It's all about cultivating an aura of exclusivity and privilege. There's no reason for it to take 3+ months to approve a request. It takes a few weeks to vet someone to become a Vice Presidential candidate for the US, but NeoGaf needs months to vet a nerd for a forum? And don't let the exclusivity fool you. NeoGaf is boring and douchey. They take themselves way too seriously and are constantly looking for approval to like the things they like. You know that one friend every group has that's desperate to be in the know about all the things the rest of the group is into but also constantly looking for validation, to the point of being annoying as hell? That's pretty much everyone on NeoGaf.

 

[Blooddrunk1004]

But Cerberus did not become well funded overnight. They had their hands in well funded, reaper like, and shady projects since ME1. And it was stated multiple times that TIM spent a ton of money bringing Shep back, and that Shep and Co and their suicide mission was just one of TIM's many projects.  IDK why anyone would think TIM having a well funded army is so out of the blue.  The only thing that truly sucked about ME3 (Pre ending) was not being able to use TIM's research.  He was successful in controlling Reaper forces. Who needed the Crucible at that point? But nope, Shepard and the alliance won't use it because the research to achieve it was unethical.

Cerberus is a joke in ME3, they go from small pro human terrorist Black Ops group to Galactic Empire. While they were capable of experiments and doing small sabotages... now they can launch full invasion on Citadel and have almost as much success as Sovereign did. Not to mention they interfere in almost every single mission and they pose more threat than Reapers do.

 

TiM who was one of the best characters in ME2 suddenly has different motivation, gets turned into a villain and you think he would be smart enough to know how to avoid getting indoctrinated which was a terrible excuse for Cerberus to become your foe in the first place.

Especially if you decided to preserve Collectors Base and not telling TiM to ****** off.

[Shechinah]

I see this has become a free-for-all of discussions! 

[GeneralXIV]

I love all of the Mass Effrct games haha x

[Scarlett]

I love all of the Mass Effrct games haha x

I also do like them all (and for different reasons).

The only one that bother me a little at the very beginning was ME2... with Shepard's death (!), the 2 years missing, the SR1 destroyed, working for Cerberus and having all the RPG features mainly removed .... After playing few hours I felt more confortable (especially when Garrus and Mordin were on my team) but I had to digest everything at first.

[GeneralXIV]

Haha no I loved them all the same I'm so glad I bought myself a PS3 so I can play Mass Effect 3 again haha x