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[Daemul]

The problem with Mass Effect 2 was that due to all the squadmates being killable it was obvious that only a handful of them were going to have a big impact in ME3, with the rest of them being reduced to cameos or getting special treatment due to his name being Garrus, and you could guess who those handful of squadmates getting big roles in ME3 would be by looking at what storyline their Suicide Mission impacted.

Come ME3 we see Mordin, Legion and Tali being the only ones who had major roles due to their sucide missions impacting the Genophage and Rannoch storylines respectively, with everyone else being cameos and Garrus being made a squadmate and getting lots of screentime even though he has the least story impact out of all the major characters on the Normandy in ME3, I love the guy though so I don't mind lol

[Hazegurl]

 
If you have to defend a game by putting down other games then you might as well not be defending that game.
I already said ME1 gameplay was clunky, but that doesn't make ME3 better than it is. And I'll take overheating and the Mako over ammo and zero exploration every time.

 

Says the one who just finished putting down ME3.  All I said was that ME3 was good until the end, I don't have to put down ME1 just to think ME3 was good.  However, I did enjoy it more than the rest. If you enjoyed ME1 more, that's great. I just didn't. It was enough to get me through the door for ME2 and ME3. If you want to argue that ME1 was perfect and had no plot flaws or any other flaw whatsoever and the series was somehow ruined with ME2 and/or ME3 then I'm gonna have to ask you to adjust those rose tinted nostalgia glasses because the entire series had issues from the very beginning.

 

What did we explore in ME1? Rock planets with nothing on it and invisible walls to keep you back if you stray too far and a random half buried pod with a medallion in it...for reasons "You've collected 100 Turian insignias" congrats. You did about as much "exploration" in ME2 as you did in ME1. The Maps just looked bigger in ME1.  The illusion of a wider planet.
 

Cerberus was already ridiculous by the time ME2 started because they went from a rogue black ops unit of the Alliance to a galaxy-wide organization with more money and loyalty than God in less than a year. But to go from having a ton of money, to having infinite money and manpower is stupid no matter how you try to spin it. Cerberus was literally a more effective and ubiquitous threat to the galaxy during the Reaper invasion than the Reapers. The Reapers can go wherever they want, essentially unopposed because of how powerful they are, but it's Cerberus doing all of the heavy lifting? That's just lousy writing, and clearly done for the sole purpose of forcing Cerberus into the plot.

 

Just because we joined Cerberus for a few months and saw some projects before does not mean we know everything about them or where they got their cash from. We basically knew nothing about them throughout the entire trilogy (aside from some codex entries) and only caught a glimpse in ME2.  Why do you think the option exists for Shepard to ask Jack to tell him what's in the files? Because Shepard and the player is like Jon Snow at this point. Neither of us "Know nuthin'" about Cerberus.

 

I'm not saying Cerberus was well written, my opinion is that none of the villains are well written. However, I still liked Saren, Sovereign, and TIM even when they had their derp moments.   I agree that we should have been fighting the Reapers more, perhaps added some sort of ship battle or something. idk.  If anything I think Cerberus was added just for villain variety because fighting two or three types of Reaper forces would get boring.

 

I think the ME team's biggest problem was that they introduced these larger than life OP villains and had no realistic means of defeating them.  Anything BW was gonna use to destroy them is gonna be an asspull no matter what. Ironically, IMO, the only realistic seeming means of beating them turned out to be Cerberus related; controlling Reaper forces and turning their own creations against them was the most sound explanation to beating them. It would have stopped them from using everyone as puppets giving ground forces some relief during the fight to focus fire on the actual Reapers. 

 

Note:  I personally think the Reapers should have been smaller and humanoid but just with a massive galaxy wide military and advanced tech or something.  While the Reapers were larger than life in ME1, there was just no place for the ME team to go with them but down.
 

[iM3GTR]

Note: I personally think the Reapers should have been smaller and humanoid but just with a massive galaxy wide military and advanced tech or something. While the Reapers were larger than life in ME1, there was just no place for the ME team to go with them but down.

Though they could have at least tried:
http://www.shamusyou...edtale/?p=28475

Edit: Ignore the previous link.

[Hazegurl]

Ok, the second part.

Shepard being an emotional wreck for no reason.

I know this is your opinion, but I mean, playing ME3, isn't there plenty of reasons for Shepard to maybe get a bit emotional? You know actually start displaying human emotions for the first time in the trilogy? War, death, destruction. I shouldn't have to cite examples because anyone who's witness all that death and knowing all that was going on elsewhere and the chances of stopping it are slim, would probably get a bit emotional and overwhelmed in their more private moments may be. Shepard being emotional, I don't think a "wreck" is an accurate term, was one of the better things in ME3 for me, he actually was humanised more.

Unless you find him an emotional wreck for no reason more of a disliking at your presumably male protagonist not being an emotionless psychologically scarred manly "I don't feel things" super soldier anymore? That in ME3 there was a slight tweak into making him less of a generic video game protagonist? Cause if you didn't like Shepard emoting as a human being, that's fine, but its hardly a problem or a sign of weak writing in ME3.

IMO, I didn't like Shepard becoming a wreck over Thessia and dreaming about the kid because I feel like there were other important things he could have been an emotional wreck over.  However, I have come to terms with it as most likely not even being about the Kid (losing everyone) or Thessia but more about Shepard just suffering from major PTSD by the time the Thessia mission rolls around, with the earlier dreams just being minor signs of it.  He had everybody relying on him beating the Reapers, everyone looking to him for answers after ignoring him for years about the threat, and all he got is some random Mars archive and Crucible machine he has everyone working on with no way of knowing if it would even work.  So he has to make it all work. When something got in his way of doing that he blew up. I loved the exchange between him and Joker, especially Joker calling him (Renegade) a half robot (idk if he says that to a Paragon). Everyone just seemed so helpless at the time. Loved it.

[Sanunes]

Though they could have at least tried:
http://www.shamusyou...edtale/?p=28475

Edit: Ignore the previous link.

 

I personally ignore Shamus when it comes to Mass Effect for he comes across more arrogant then anyone else I can think of on the subject, for at times I can just hear in the background "you were the chosen one" in a lot of his articles.

 

That being said, I really don't think there would have been anyway to have Mass Effect 3 end in a good way and there always would have been outrage and part of that was BioWare's fault for not really having an ending in Mass Effect 1 or 2 for it always came off as a "to be continued" for there wasn't any real conclusion.

[Helios969]

No it's not. ME1 has a better PC port than ME2. By far. 

 

A crap port is not subjective. It's a crap port. 

With the exception of perhaps dealing with the infamous black box glitch for a third of the damn game.  You'd think 10 years later Bioware would have resolved such nonsense.  Nope.  Three different PC's same issue.  ME2?  Never had a single issue.

[Prince Enigmatic]

IMO, I didn't like Shepard becoming a wreck over Thessia and dreaming about the kid because I feel like there were other important things he could have been an emotional wreck over.  However, I have come to terms with it as most likely not even being about the Kid (losing everyone) or Thessia but more about Shepard just suffering from major PTSD by the time the Thessia mission rolls around, with the earlier dreams just being minor signs of it.  He had everybody relying on him beating the Reapers, everyone looking to him for answers after ignoring him for years about the threat, and all he got is some random Mars archive and Crucible machine he has everyone working on with no way of knowing if it would even work.  So he has to make it all work. When something got in his way of doing that he blew up. I loved the exchange between him and Joker, especially Joker calling him (Renegade) a half robot (idk if he says that to a Paragon). Everyone just seemed so helpless at the time. Loved it.

 

Ran out of likes.

 

I agree that the exchange between him and Joker was a good one, and he does call Shepard half robot to Paragon too, sort of as I think a sly reference to how Shepard sort of came off in the first two, and how on the surface Shepard is incredibly stoic in the face of it all, but deep down starts to display stress. That it came from Joker I liked too. Joker at times came off as an unprofessional jerk who liked himself way too much, but this scene made me appreciate that at least Joker was loyal to Shepard all the way through, and showed actual care for him, despite his typical awkward way of trying to handle it with the joke after Thessia.

[goishen]

  The only thing that truly sucked about ME3 (Pre ending) was not being able to use TIM's research.  He was successful in controlling Reaper forces. Who needed the Crucible at that point? But nope, Shepard and the alliance won't use it because the research to achieve it was unethical. smh

 

 

Well to be fair, we only had just invaded his space station and found out about the meat of controlling the reapers.   We had little to no time to build it, conduct research, find out how it operated, etc.

[Arcian]

Of course he's going to say it looks amazing, no one would leak sh!t to him if he badmouthed their work.

[Commander Rpg]

Now, people, I'm not "Shinobi", but since my EA avatar speaks more than words - and since "shinobi" is the alternate way to read the kanji for "ninja", I can just tell you I have had a brief look at the possible final endings in ME:A... through my inner eye.

Are you familiar with the concept of "prophecy"?

 

The etymology tells us it means literally "to speak in the name of the deity".

More commonly, to speak about a truth before it happens.

 

Are you ready?

 

Good

Spoiler

Abandon all hope, ye who enter here

 

 

[Hazegurl]

Though they could have at least tried:
http://www.shamusyou...edtale/?p=28475

Edit: Ignore the previous link.

I like his points but most of it is based on vague plot points and sequel set ups moreso than a concrete plan to beat the Reapers. I don't see anything the ME team could have done to make beating the Reapers make sense because none of it was fleshed out. Fight them longer? Yeah, the article points out everything in ME1 that could lead to a very long Reaper war (longer than the 100 years the Protheans had to fight them), but there is nothing in ME1 that leads to actually beating them.  

 

Even Drew himself says his ideas were "Technoscience Magic reasons" that were not "super fleshed out" Oh yeah and the possibility that "Shepard could be an alien and not know it."

http://www.pcgamer.c...l-ending-ideas/

 

Truth be told I actually wouldn't have minded some of his dark matter ideas or Shepard being some sort of human alien thing. At least it would have been better than Starbrat's long winded message that peace between organics and machines was impossible so to maintain peace they rage war on humans every 50k years. But I bet fans still would have raged about any ending Drew had.

[Iakus]

Here'a a question:

 

Was Shinobi around during ME3's development, and if so what did he say about ME3 then?

[The Elder King]

Here'a a question:

 

Was Shinobi around during ME3's development, and if so what did he say about ME3 then?

I don't recall if he was around on that period.

I think I remember seeing on Neogaf that he liked DAI, but I don't recall exactly his posts.

[SKAR]

Is this going to be another one of those threads where we try and prove which ME game was the worst?

How bout we reach a compromise. They were all the best because they were all MASS EFFECT.

[AlanC9]

How come there's no serious archive of Shinobi's stuff?

[AlanC9]

How bout we reach a compromise. They were all the best because they were all MASS EFFECT.

Works for me. Even though I think ME1 was the worst game in the series -- l'll skip getting into the reasons -- that doesn't mean that I think it was bad. I'm still here, right?

[LinksOcarina]

I approve of this.

 

Shinobi has been a reliable source as of late, hopefully what he is saying is all on point, it looks like it is right now and the game, at the very least, is a technical marvel.

[LinksOcarina]

Works for me. Even though I think ME1 was the worst game in the series -- l'll skip getting into the reasons -- that doesn't mean that I think it was bad. I'm still here, right?

 

I agree, on a technical and mechanical level, it's the worst.Story was also a bit dodgey until the later half, for what its worth.

 

Not here nor there though. 

[SKAR]

Works for me. Even though I think ME1 was the worst game in the series -- l'll skip getting into the reasons -- that doesn't mean that I think it was bad. I'm still here, right?

Look I don't want to start something but just let me tell you one thing, ME1 is the reason we all fell in love with the series. It was great. You can have your opinion but if you're not a fan of the first game it defeats the purpose of the series. ME 1 is the core of all the Mass Effect games. Despite what people say I mean come on, it was 2007 after all. And don't think for a second that if you never play that game you would've had the same opinion and feel of Mass Effect. But that's just my opinion.

[TheChosenOne]

JE>ME

 

come at me

[The Elder King]

Look I don't want to start something but just let me tell you one thing, ME1 is the reason we all fell in love with the series. It was great. You can have your opinion but if you're not a fan of the first game it defeats the purpose of the series. ME 1 is the core of all the Mass Effect games. But that's just my opinion.

It's the reason why you fell in love with the series. It's the reason why I fell in love with it. It doesn't have to be the reason why a person fell in love with Mass Effect. There might be people who liked ME but they didn't fall in love, that thought it was just decent, or even worse. There might be people  who fell in love with Mass Effect by playing ME2 first. ME doesn't have to be the reason for everyone to like the series.

[SKAR]

It's the reason why you fell in love with the series. It's the reason why I fell in love with it. It doesn't have to be the reason why a person fell in love with Mass Effect. There might be people who liked ME but they didn't fall in love, that thought it was just decent, or even worse. There might be people who fell in love with Mass Effect by playing ME2 first. ME doesn't have to be the reason for everyone to like the series.

well who am I to say it, I first played ME2 and that got me in to it. But playing ME 1 for years, It felt right. The story, the people, it felt like it was going to be an awesome ride. It was a game people shouldn't miss out on.

[In Exile]

Look I don't want to start something but just let me tell you one thing, ME1 is the reason we all fell in love with the series. It was great. You can have your opinion but if you're not a fan of the first game it defeats the purpose of the series. ME 1 is the core of all the Mass Effect games. Despite what people say I mean come on, it was 2007 after all. And don't think for a second that if you never play that game you would've had the same opinion and feel of Mass Effect. But that's just my opinion.

But that's obviously false. We can see from Bioware statistics that many people who played ME2 and ME3 never played ME1. This post only works if everyone played ME1 first, but that's clearly false.

[Shechinah]

Look I don't want to start something but just let me tell you one thing, ME1 is the reason we all fell in love with the series. It was great. You can have your opinion but if you're not a fan of the first game it defeats the purpose of the series. ME 1 is the core of all the Mass Effect games. Despite what people say I mean come on, it was 2007 after all. And don't think for a second that if you never play that game you would've had the same opinion and feel of Mass Effect. But that's just my opinion.

 
I think you may be misunderstanding what AlanC9 said; "Works for me. Even though I think ME1 was the worst game in the series -- l'll skip getting into the reasons -- that doesn't mean that I think it was bad. I'm still here, right?"

 

From what I can see, AlanC9 is saying that they consider the first Mass Effect to be the worse in the series meaning it is the one they consider the worse out of all three games. AlanC9 also says this does not mean that they consider the first Mass Effect to be a bad game.

[SKAR]

I think you may be misunderstanding what AlanC9 said; "Works for me. Even though I think ME1 was the worst game in the series -- l'll skip getting into the reasons -- that doesn't mean that I think it was bad. I'm still here, right?"

From what I can see, AlanC9 is saying that they consider the first Mass Effect to be the worse in the series meaning it is the one they consider the worse out of all three games. AlanC9 also says this does not mean that they consider the first Mass Effect to be a bad game.

No I understood what it meant. It's my opinion though that there is no worst in the trilogy. They were all brilliant. I like them all because they were all MASS EFFECT. Each game was enjoyment because you got to fight new enemies, meet new people, and reconnect with old ones. ME1 had you pursuing a rogue spectre in order to stop a reaper invasion. When the Alliance saved the council in my play through and destroyed sovereign I almost cried. It was ******* brilliant. In ME 2 you had to stop the collectors from creating a human reaper that would have eventually taken the citadel.You used team work and friendship to overcome the enemy. And in ME 3, you finally meet the might of the reapers. You gathered alliances and brought the fight to the reapers. There is no such thing as a perfect game. There is always something someone is going to complain about. But ME 1 should deserve everyone's respect. Without it, we would have MASS EFFECT. It all has to start somewhere. I can see in ten years time the same stuff about ME A. By then the third MEA is going to be so advanced we are gonna look back and see how "small" MEA really was and be like "it was the worst in the trilogy". Why? Its what got us hooked. It was a masterpiece. But I digress, my point is that in my own opinion cause after all that's what this is, ME 1 is the core for everything in the Mass Effect series.