You know, I think developers legitimately forgot that Shepard can be implied to have post-traumatic stress including dreams during the Sole Survivor's peronal mission.
Or that Shepard with the Colonist Background probably has some degree of PTSD after witnessing their entire family being massacred on Mindoir. Colonist Shep has a very telling line (and tone) when returning to Eden Prime in ME3 and commenting on it's recovery from the Geth attack;
"They rebuilt Mindoir. It wasn't the same."
You don't know me. Also You should get a psychological evaluation. I know this guy who has a family with kids and he found out he was a sociopath. It's quite interesting.
No, I don't. At the same time, you don't know me. My lack of empathy isn't a problem for me, so why should I get a evaluation? I think it makes me able to see things in a clearer way than those that have their emotions blinding them.
So, he found out that he was sociopath? good for him, apparently it didn't affected his life that much if he was able to live it.
Liara never hesitates to shoot on Banshees or anything: that's a fact- which means she doesn't jeopardize the mission. It's also Liara who manages to save Shepard at the end of the mission. Is she disturbed by banshees? Yes. I think it's a combination of Liara reacting (appropriately, may I add) to seeing her own people being used as foot soldiers, and the fact that Banshees are genuinely more frightening than the other husks. But the fact that she does do her duty, despite being disturbed or afraid, is pretty much the textbook definition of battlefield courage.
That doesn't mean crap.
The moment she says she can't be that callous makes her a liability. Doesn't matter what happens later since Shepard has no idea what will happen. I would have Steve turn the shuttle back to get another squadmate and leave the asari on the ship. Look what happened when the ponytail ran towards her. She stands there like the idiot she is doing nothing and then ends up being tossed across the screen. She really did her duty on that one. All she did is tell she me likes to fly on Kai Leng Airlines.
I don't remember her "cracking" during the mission. And seriously, every squadmate + Shep suffer from cutscene incompetence when Kai Leng appears (Thane fight!).
I think it's unfair to single out Liara here. Her post mission dialogue is certainly a different story, but then we have Ashley or Tali getting drunk, I wouldn't say that's better.
Well she was. I'm not seeing how cracking under pressure is such a horrible thing that must be denied in a character. It wasn't bad when Liara was doing it, I just wish I could have sent her back to the ship. If you're gonna crack, do it on the Normandy, not while we're heading deeper into Reaper infested crapholes.
I wasn't singling out Liara. I mentioned what happened, which is her derping out while Kai Leng flings her across the room.
Thessia fared a lot better than Earth.
Earth was the first planet hit....So was Palaven. The point is that their strategy was stupid and their planet still fell because of it.
Well, asari would have different words for the birth parent and the other parent, which would have become really useful after they started mating across the species boundary. These asari terms wouldn't have exact equivalents in human languages, so we'd probably use what we have. We do lousy translations like that all the time ITRW.But they're obviously gendered - they clearly adhere to lots of gender tropes. They even have concepts of parenting roles and "mother" and "father". The reality is that this is just a case of Bioware not doing the research -like 90% of science in the series.
The moment she says she can't be that callous against her own people, I wanted to tell Steve to head back to the Normandy to get another squadmate and leave the asari on the ship. She also doesn't do nothing when the ponytail runs towards her.
I wouldn't say she is the reason the mission failed. I would blame her pathetic species for that. Had they revealed the artifact earlier, the encounter with Kai Leng may never of happened or at least the result might be different
In the Codex entry for Thessia, there is a brief bit of information as for the way Thessia's government is run, and how its fractured state in politics long before the Reaper War, coupled with endless deliberations among the Matriarchs, is why Thessia and the asari were so ill prepared for the War. I always felt that was a missed opportunity. It felt like a slightly realistic way for a government of republics to handle such a situation as a war for the Reapers. Not all races were as prepared and ready to go to action like the turians or salarians (to varying degrees of success), some were just paralysed with indecision, which rings true as has been seen in history, though I am not comparing the Reaper War to any example in history, just that indecision in a crisis isn't unique to the asari.
So yes, Liara should not be blamed for the failure of the mission. Nor was it Councillor Tevos or Irissa. It was Thessia's government, unable to unite and come to a cohesive decision among the republics, instead the Matriarchs centuries of wisdom and preference for taking time to deal with a situation made them ill suited and ill prepared politically for such a conflict. Which is sad, considering the asari commando units and there military being capable of handling it to an equal extent as the turians were doing, had they prepared for the Reapers arrival on Thessia.
Kai Leng was also supposed to be better than your squadmates and on par with Shepard. It wasn't well executed, but he kills Thane and demolishes Miranda without Shepard's help.
Kai Leng was so terribly inconsistent. Books and comics tried to arguable degrees of success to establish Kai Leng as this skilled threat that everyone should be afraid of and to be on guard. We see this with Miranda, but the rest of the time, Kai Leng is a cowardly, sword waving loon who just can't make his mind up what he wants to be. An Assassin, a psycho who likes killing salarian councillor fun time? Oh, now he's a swordsman? No, he just runs away. Now he takes out my car, but not me? Then he just retreats into a lift with Phantoms.
Then there's Thessia. Sheild recharging bullcrap. But that time, we should have just wiped the floor with the pushover. But no. Suddenly Kai Leng is a badass, coupled with Liara's sudden immobility, and Kai Leng is suddenly the skilled threat BioWare were trying to make us afaird of before but failed.
Horizon he just there, to kick Miranda's ass, which again is bull given what we've seen of him so far. I'd like to believe Miranda would have kicked his stupid ass, but no Kai Leng is made a badass again for reasons, and Miranda is a another character sucked into Kai Leng's vortex of damaging and bringing down the quality of everything he touches. Thane suffered. Liara suffered. Miranda suffered.
No but he could feel emotion towards his wife or kids. But yeah he's all good I guess. Just saying. Sometimes we don't know ourselves as well as we think we do.No, I don't. At the same time, you don't know me. My lack of empathy isn't a problem for me, so why should I get a evaluation? I think it makes me able to see things in a clearer way than those that have their emotions blinding them.
So, he found out that he was sociopath? good for him, apparently it didn't affected his life that much if he was able to live it.
That's true for some people. For some other people, it does take some time to process it and then it comes out in different ways.
That's not what PTSD is. PTSD is the failure to process traumatic events, not a different way of processing them. PTSD begins as soon as the traumatic event occurs and the sufferer fails to process it in a healthy way.
If a young girl is raped by her father the PTSD she suffers from doesn't start when she cuts herself 6 months later.
If a soldier see his brothers blown to bits by an IED the PTSD he suffers from doesn't start when he's home a year later and kills himself.
Or that Shepard with the Colonist Background probably has some degree of PTSD after witnessing their entire family being massacred on Mindoir. Colonist Shep has a very telling line (and tone) when returning to Eden Prime in ME3 and commenting on it's recovery from the Geth attack;
"They rebuilt Mindoir. It wasn't the same."
In "I Remember Me", I think Shepard can even indicate that they saw their family and friends die. Shepard was, by canon, sixteen and lost their family and friends in the raid leaving them the only survivor to be found by an Alliance patrol. Shepard even has the option of saying the following;
Shepard: "For a while I was broken. I lost my whole family, Talitha. My friends. My childhood. I had to pull myself up and keep going."
Here is one version of "I Remember Me";
The story is far from awesome, most of the DLC is humdrum(f*ck the Hammerhead), I never cared much for Thane, I hate catsuits in space, the human Reaper is stupid, and it's entirely pointless in the trilogy. You can completely skip ME2 and miss nothing but characters.
ME2 is "rule of cool" put way above smart design. That's why I'm not at all surprised that it's your favorite.
@ Prince E: I'm a little confused where "cowardly" came from there. If Leng can't win a 3-on-one fight on the Citadel any more than he can do that anywhere else, and he doesn't have a gunship or a bunch of goons, what's wrong with him running away? Isn't that the sane thing to do?
Cowardly probably isn't the right adjective to use. I allowed my utter contempt for the character to influence how I described his actions.
Doesn't change the fact that his feats and skills are ludicrously inconsistent.
FYI, what the guy/gal enjoy is none of your concern. Learn to respect that.
Killroy respect a person's opinion?
The day that happens ZipZap2000 will stop swirling ryncol.
I feel I should note that as far as I know a person can experience a traumatic event, even a severe one, and not develop post-traumatic stress.
People can develop post-traumatic stress as a result of trauma and some such as soldiers and emergency personnel, are more at risk of doing so due to what they are exposed to but not every soldier and not every emergency responder develops it even if they witness something horrific such as the death of a child. They might not walk away from the sight unaffected but they will not necessarily develop post-traumatic stress.
That's not what PTSD is. PTSD is the failure to process traumatic events, not a different way of processing them.
Did I say that?
Please, please, dear god. Tell me where I said that? You're using similar verbage to mine and applying it in differing ways and totally changing the argument.
Cowardly probably isn't the right adjective to use. I allowed my utter contempt for the character to influence how I described his actions.
Doesn't change the fact that his feats and skills are ludicrously inconsistent.
It also isn't necessarily true that if someone doesn't experience symptoms of post traumatic stress immediately following a traumatic event, that symptoms won't show up later.
One interesting case I heard of involved a Vietnam Veteran who only started experiencing symptoms of PTSD twenty some years after the war. Shortly before rotating back to the United States his unit had gotten a replacement who tried to befriend him. Being somewhat of a grizzled veteran by that point who had lost several friends, he was reluctant to get close to the new guy, and more or less told him to **** off. The new guy ended up being killed in action shortly afterwards. The trigger for the symptoms of PTSD so many years later is that with the passage of time he had forgotten the man's name, and the guilt from having forgotten his name piled on existing regret over having been cold to someone who was killed shortly afterward.
No one develops PTSD like that. It's not "I'm fine, all my friends are dead, I'm fine, I lost a limb to an IED, I'm fine, I can't walk any more, I'm fine, the toaster won't work, NOW I'M CRAZY!" That's completely stupid. PTSD happens in response to the traumatic event/s and can present and worsen in a wide variety of ways, but it doesn't lie completely dormant and then explode for no reason. People with PTSD don't seem fine up until the moment they fly off the handle.
What makes you think it was dormant? What makes you think you can pinpoint the exact moment it even happened? I don't even think it was the Kid that caused it. But more like an accumulation of numerous things and the Reapers finally showing up.
Hoo boy. You clearly don't grasp much of anything, do you? We weren't talking about ME1, we were talking about ME3. Bringing up ME1 and it's flaws was/is pointless and irrelevant.
Hoo boy, you clearly need to read the earlier posts. People were rating which ME games they liked more. Which is why my earlier posts I placed my rating at ME3 > ME2 > ME1. I stated ME3 was good until the ending. Which is the truth, it is also my opinion. Then you got butthurt about it and proceeded to nit pick at the game. I nitpicked at ME1 as a result then explained that while I agree about some of the flaws in ME 3, none of it was enough to hinder my enjoyment. I had already posted earlier why I enjoyed ME 3 long before you started b*tching. Perhaps if you had read it first you wouldn't be sitting there dumbfounded.
I did no such thing, you liar. You said there was nothing to do during exploration in ME1 besides collecting trinkets. That was objectively wrong and I proved it. Nothing more.
I'll admit I'm wrong, you underlined "Every time" after exploration. However, You mentioned exploration and I pointed out that you got about as much exploration as ME2. Which is the truth. If anything they polished it up a bit more and made it realistically linear. And I don't call landing in a lifeless planet and driving to a location (usually the same old tired bunker) and/or picking up trinkets as exploration. I also brought up the invisible walls et al. Now you claim you're not arguing about exploration after you brought it up. Okay. Whatever. Any way, good for you that you didn't like ME3, I did, get over it.
You said we knew nothing about Cerberus, and you clearly don't pay attention to or retain what's said in the games. Miranda isn't cut out of all things Cerberus except Project Lazarus. She was TIM's #2. She said there only a few things she's not privy to, and finding out that she didn't know about the clone surprised her.
You claimed that TIM could not have possibly gathered the funds for his soldiers in less than a year and you based this on him spending billions of credits on Shepard's resurrection and Miranda saying that could have been spent on soldiers. You clearly have no idea how money, investments, or business works. You also have no idea what Miranda has access to or what she doesn't, the info you have is based on what Miranda believes she has access to. And the clone wasn't the only thing she was shocked about. She was also surprised TIM wanted the human reaper and over the fact that he used the team by luring them to the Collector ship. Even she eventually admits the possibility of not knowing TIM the way she thought.
Anyway, this is gonna carry on forever, so carry on by yourself.
In "I Remember Me", I think Shepard can even indicate that they saw their family and friends die. Shepard was, by canon, sixteen and lost their family and friends in the raid leaving them the only survivor to be found by an Alliance patrol. Shepard even has the option of saying the following;
Shepard: "For a while I was broken. I lost my whole family, Talitha. My friends. My childhood. I had to pull myself up and keep going."
Here is one version of "I Remember Me";
I got to say...this is making me want to play the trilogy again.
That was always a good questline.
You guys need a hug. 
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For what its worth, I'm in the same position as hazegurl on ME1. If I'm being technical, ME2 > ME3 > ME1 and if I were suggesting to BioWare about my preference, it's to look at the world and mission structures in ME2 and the combat of ME3. In terms of the level of enjoyment I had, it's ME3 > ME2 > ME1.
But, I understand a lot of folks here love ME1. Nothing wrong about that. It's not healthy to dismiss and get riled up when other people's opinion differs with yours. 
I've seen a guy killing himself in high school when I was 16 years old. He burnt his body thanks to gasoline in the toilets, ran very quickly almost everywhere while he was in fire, followed by adults who were running after him and trying to catch him ( who miserably failed ) and he finally threw himself through a window, his body twisted on the ground. Suicide that shocked the whole school, made cry, or upset all those who saw the whole scene, more than 50 folks I think. There were a lot of girls screaming. Some needed either vacation or psychological help. I didn't cry, I didn't feel empathy or sympathy, never bad dreams. Was a bit shocked by the scene, the fire over the whole body but not much after that. I was just annoyed the world stopped because of that. Didn't know him, it was like I was watching the news.
I've seen death before my eyes. And yet almost nothing. I don't think that makes me a sociopath or an insensitive guy.
I'm sensitive. Over other things and for different reasons. It just didn't happen strongly that day.
Everyone may have a breaking point, but not necessarily the same. Some are easily more affected than others too. People can react differently over different things. I personally think we should be careful with the word sociopath. It's not that simple.
Some may also never break during their whole life.
Jesus Christ! That sucks. Did you even know the guy?I've seen a guy killing himself in high school when I was 16 years old. He burnt his body thanks to gasoline in the toilets, ran very quickly almost everywhere while he was in fire, followed by adults who were running after him and trying to catch him ( who miserably failed ) and he finally threw himself through a window, his body twisted on the ground. Suicide that shocked the whole school, made cry, or upset all those who saw the whole scene, more than 50 folks I think. There were a lot of girls screaming. Some needed either vacation or psychological help. I didn't cry, I didn't feel empathy or sympathy, never bad dreams. Was a bit shocked by the scene, the fire over the whole body but not much after that. I was just annoyed the world stopped because of that. Didn't know him, it was like I was watching the news.
I've seen death before my eyes. And yet almost nothing. I don't think that makes me a sociopath or an insensitive guy.
I'm sensitive. Over other things and for different reasons. It just didn't happen strongly that day.
Everyone may have a breaking point, but not necessarily the same. Some are easily more affected than others too. People can react differently over different things. I personally think we should be careful with the word sociopath. It's not that simple.
Some may also never break during their whole life.
Jesus Christ! That sucks. Did you even know the guy?
No. But apparently, he didn't have any friend and was mocked. infortunately, it's always the same kind of people that do that kind of things. Didn't try to learn more about him, was just sorry for those who knew him and his family as well.
You didn't know him personally that's why. The guy needed a friend, poor guy. He was broken. Shame someone didn't stick up for him. I want to know how the ******* who bullied him felt after that. Guilty as hell which is where they're goin.No. But apparently, he didn't have any friend and was mocked. infortunately, it's always the same kind of people that do that kind of things. Didn't try to learn more about him, was just sorry for those who knew him and his family as well.
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