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So, Shinobi said a bunch of things about Andromeda at the NeoGAF forums


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Please God no, no Laura Bailey.  You've heard her once you've heard her a thousand times. She's annoyingly ubiquitous and she and Troy Baker are starting to grate on me with their nepotism in the gaming VA industry.   I'd rather watch Peyton Manning endorse 5000 different products than ever hear Laura Bailey ever again. 

 

She was better in anime but then she and the Troy moved on over to video games for the bigger bucks.  And then they moved away from actual games with content to more cinematic tripe because THAT paid even bigger bucks.  Also, she actually tried getting behind that insipid PERFORMANCE MATTERS for VA royalties a while ago.

 

Greed.  Greed everywhere. 


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Ehhhh.  Not really.   They have learned how to emulate emotions like empathy and sympathy, but not really feel them.  Psycopathy is really mental defect of some type or disorder.  Sociopaths are really the ones who you have to look out for.  Look at Dexter, the cable TV show (Showtime).  Sociopath who learned how to emulate feelings, but in the end he felt nothing.


Sociopaths can't feel empathy or sympathy. Psychopaths are sociopaths though more prone to violence. P.S. sociopaths and psychopaths can mimic emotions.


Nope, you're wrong, according to people who actually know what they're talking about.
 


Many forensic psychologists, psychiatrists and criminologists use the terms sociopathy and psychopathy interchangeably. Leading experts disagree on whether there are meaningful differences between the two conditions. I contend that there are clear and significant distinctions between them.

The fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), released by the American Psychiatric Association in 2013, lists both sociopathy and psychopathy under the heading of Antisocial Personality Disorders (ASPD). These disorders share many common behavioral traits which lead to the confusion between them. Key traits that sociopaths and psychopaths share include:

A disregard for laws and social mores
A disregard for the rights of others
A failure to feel remorse or guilt
A tendency to display violent behavior
In addition to their commonalities, sociopaths and psychopaths also have their own unique behavioral characteristics, as well.

Sociopaths tend to be nervous and easily agitated. They are volatile and prone to emotional outbursts, including fits of rage. They are likely to be uneducated and live on the fringes of society, unable to hold down a steady job or stay in one place for very long. It is difficult but not impossible for sociopaths to form attachments with others. Many sociopaths are able to form an attachment to a particular individual or group, although they have no regard for society in general or its rules. In the eyes of others, sociopaths will appear to be very disturbed. Any crimes committed by a sociopath, including murder, will tend to be haphazard, disorganized and spontaneous rather than planned.

Psychopaths, on the other hand, are unable to form emotional attachments or feel real empathy with others, although they often have disarming or even charming personalities. Psychopaths are very manipulative and can easily gain people’s trust. They learn to mimic emotions, despite their inability to actually feel them, and will appear normal to unsuspecting people. Psychopaths are often well educated and hold steady jobs. Some are so good at manipulation and mimicry that they have families and other long-term relationships without those around them ever suspecting their true nature.

When committing crimes, psychopaths carefully plan out every detail in advance and often have contingency plans in place. Unlike their sociopathic counterparts, psychopathic criminals are cool, calm, and meticulous. Their crimes, whether violent or non-violent, will be highly organized and generally offer few clues for authorities to pursue. Intelligent psychopaths make excellent white-collar criminals and "con artists" due to their calm and charismatic natures.

The cause of psychopathy is different than the cause of sociopathy (1). It is believed that psychopathy is the largely the result of “nature” (genetics) while sociopathy is more likely the result of “nurture” (environment). Psychopathy is related to a physiological defect that results in the underdevelopment of the part of the brain responsible for impulse control and emotions. Sociopathy, on the other hand, is more likely the product of childhood trauma and physical/emotional abuse. Because sociopathy appears to be learned rather than innate, sociopaths are capable of empathy in certain limited circumstances but not in others, and with a few individuals but not others.

Psychopathy is the most dangerous of all antisocial personality disorders because of the way psychopaths dissociate emotionally from their actions, regardless of how terrible those actions may be. Many prolific and notorious serial killers, including the late Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy, and Dennis Rader ("Bind, Torture, Kill" or BTK) are unremorseful psychopaths. Psychopathic killers view their innocent victims as inhuman objects to be tormented and violated for their amusement.

Contrary to popular mythology, most serial killers are not mentally ill or "evil" geniuses. See my related article on that topic.

I offer shocking insights into the twisted minds of infamous serial predators such as David Berkowitz (Son of Sam) and Dennis Rader (BTK), who I interviewed and corresponded with, in my new book Why We Love Serial Killers: The Curious Appeal of the World's Most Savage Murderers.

Dr. Scott Bonn is professor of sociology and criminology at Drew University. He is available for consultation and media commentary. Follow him @DocBonn on Twitter and visit his websiteDocBonn.Com

(1) Bouchard, T.J., Jr., Lykken, D.T., McGue, M., Segal, N.L. and Tellegen, A. 1990."Sources of human psychological differences: The Minnesota Study of Twins Reared Apart." Science 250 (4978), pp. 223–228.


Please God no, no Laura Bailey.  You've heard her once you've heard her a thousand times. She's annoyingly ubiquitous and she and Troy Baker are starting to grate on me with their nepotism in the gaming VA industry.

This word doesn't mean what you think it means.


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#503
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Nepotism is favoritism granted to relatives.



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You got me - although I think I run with "awesome" at murder most of the time, because our typical Bioware RPG protagonist is on another level compared to most when it comes to mass murder. Shepard probably has hundreds of confirmed kills. 

 

What makes it worse is that the scene is basically "Now that you've killed our enemies, please choose our fate."

 

Isn't this kind of inevitable in long RPGs, especially series? The Bhaalspawn also has hundreds of kills once all's said and done, including entire armies a few times. So does Geralt if you tally all the kills amongst all three Witcher games, cripes he must be nearing a thousand even after the hordes of bandits in TW3. Same for the Nameless One in Torment unless you run past everything. Pillars of Eternity considers you (via achievements) a less violent player if you ''just'' kill less than 175 creatures over the course of the game. 



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From a ...  And I quote...

 

 


Dr. Scott Bonn is professor of sociology and criminology at Drew University. He is available for consultation and media commentary. Follow him @DocBonn on Twitter and visit his websiteDocBonn.Com

 

The article doesn't say, but I'm more than willing to bet his PhD is in one of, or both, those fields.  And plus, it's his opinion.  Great.  Can I just blather on about what I want to and have it taken as fact?



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Yes for Troy Baker.

Same for Courtnee Draper.
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Nepotism is favoritism granted to relatives.

Yeah and I'm pretty sure Laura Bailey and Troy Baker aren't related to every single voice casting director in the industry.

From a ...  And I quote...
 
 
 
The article doesn't say, but I'm more than willing to bet his PhD is in one of, or both, those fields.  And plus, it's his opinion.  Great.  Can I just blather on about what I want to and have it taken as fact?

Fine. You want a Psy.D saying the exact same thing? Here's a Psy.D saying the exact same thing.
 

Differences Between a Psychopath vs Sociopath By John M. Grohol, Psy.D.
~ 3 min read

Society has conspired with Hollywood to put two seemingly-sexy psychology terms into our collective consciousness — psychopath and sociopath. Psychopath and sociopath are pop psychology terms for what psychiatry calls an antisocial personality disorder. Today, these two terms are not really well-defined in the psychology research literature.

Nonetheless, there are some general differences between these two types of personality types, which we’ll talk about in this article.

Both types of personality have a pervasive pattern of disregard for the safety and rights of others. Deceit and manipulation are central features to both types of personality. And contrary to popular belief, a psychopath or sociopath is not necessarily violent.


The common features of a psychopath and sociopath lie in their shared diagnosis — antisocial personality disorder. The DSM-5 defines antisocial personality as someone have 3 or more of the following traits:

Regularly breaks or flouts the law
Constantly lies and deceives others
Is impulsive and doesn’t plan ahead
Can be prone to fighting and aggressiveness
Has little regard for the safety of others
Irresponsible, can’t meet financial obligations
Doesn’t feel remorse or guilt
In both cases, some signs or symptoms are nearly always present before age 15. By the time a person is an adult, they are well on their way to becoming a psychopath or sociopath.

Traits of a Psychopath

Psychology researchers generally believe that psychopaths tends to be born — it’s likely a genetic predisposition — while sociopaths tend to be made by their environment. (Which is not to say that psychopaths may not also suffer from some sort of childhood trauma.) Psychopathy might be related to physiological brain differences. Research has shown psychopaths have underdeveloped components of the brain commonly thought to be responsible for emotion regulation and impulse control.

Psychopaths, in general, have a hard time forming real emotional attachments with others. Instead, they form artificial, shallow relationships designed to be manipulated in a way that most benefits the psychopath. People are seen as pawns to be used to forward the psychopath’s goals. Psychopaths rarely feel guilt regarding any of their behaviors, no matter how much they hurt others.

But psychopaths can often be seen by others as being charming and trustworthy, holding steady, normal jobs. Some even have families and seemingly-loving relationships with a partner. While they tend to be well-educated, they may also have learned a great deal on their own.

When a psychopath engages in criminal behavior, they tend to do so in a way that minimizes risk to themselves. They will carefully plan criminal activity to ensure they don’t get caught, having contingency plans in place for every possibility.

Psychopath Pop Culture Examples: Dexter, Anton Chigurh in No Country for Old Men, Henry in Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer, Patrick Bateman in American Psycho

Traits of a Sociopath

Researchers tend to believe that sociopathy is the result of environmental factors, such as a child or teen’s upbringing in a very negative household that resulted in physical abuse, emotional abuse, or childhood trauma.

Sociopaths, in general, tend to be more impulsive and erratic in their behavior than their psychopath counterparts. While also having difficulties in forming attachments to others, some sociopaths may be able to form an attachment to a like-minded group or person. Unlike psychopaths, most sociopaths don’t hold down long-term jobs or present much of a normal family life to the outside world.

When a sociopath engages in criminal behavior, they may do so in an impulsive and largely unplanned manner, with little regard for the risks or consequences of their actions. They may become agitated and angered easily, sometimes resulting in violent outbursts. These kinds of behaviors increase a sociopath’s chances of being apprehended.

Sociopath Pop Culture Examples: The Joker in The Dark Knight, JD in Heathers, Alex Delarge in A Clockwork Orange

Who is More Dangerous?

Both psychopaths and sociopaths present risks to society, because they will often try and live a normal life while coping with their disorder. But psychopathy is likely the more dangerous disorder, because they experience a lot less guilt connected to their actions.

A psychopath also has a greater ability to dissociate from their actions. Without emotional involvement, any pain that others suffer is meaningless to a psychopath. Many famous serial killers have been psychopaths.

Not all people we’d call a psychopath or sociopath are violent. Violence is not a necessary ingredient (nor is it for a diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder) — but it is often present.

Clues to a Psychopath or Sociopath in Childhood

Clues to psychopathy and sociopathy are usually available in childhood. Most people who can later be diagnosed with sociopathy or psychopathy have had a pattern of behavior where they violate the basic rights or safety of others. They often break the rules (or even laws) and societal norms as a child, too.

Psychologists call these kinds of childhood behaviors a conduct disorder. Conduct disorders involve four categories of problem behavior:

Aggression to people and animals
Destruction of property
Deceitfulness or theft
Serious violations of rules or laws
If you recognize these symptoms (and the specific symptoms of conduct disorder) in a child or young teen, they’re at greater risk for antisocial personality disorder.

Summary

Psychopathy and sociopathy are different cultural labels applied to the diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder. Up to 3 percent of the population may qualify for a diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder. This disorder is more common among males and mostly seen in people with an alcohol or substance abuse problem, or in forensic settings such as prisons. Psychopaths tend to be more manipulative, can be seen by others as more charming, lead a semblance of a normal life, and minimize risk in criminal activities. Sociopaths tend to be more erratic, rage-prone, and unable to lead as much of a normal life. When sociopaths engage in criminal activity, they tend to do so in a reckless manner without regard to consequences.



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Yeah and I'm pretty sure Laura Bailey and Troy Baker aren't related to every single voice casting director in the industry.

Fine. You want a Psy.D saying the exact same thing? Here's a Psy.D saying the exact same thing.
 

 

 

Nowhere in that article does it state anything having to do with a conscience.  

 

Wow, strike number two.  I will say this, and this is only to ease your mind at proving me incorrect.  Yes, there is some debate in the psychological community if sociopathy is even a real thing.  To me, it is.  Sociopaths don't have a conscience, they don't have that little inner voice.  Pschyopaths do, they just don't listen and they don't feel any guilt.   Or they do listen when it benefits them, and then they see all the angles of how to pull the strings of the people around them.



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Nowhere in that article does it state anything having to do with a conscience. 
 
Wow, strike number two.

You're a textbook example of a sore loser moving the goalposts.
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You're a textbook example of a sore loser moving the goalposts.

 

 

/facepalm

 

 

Declare yourself the winner when you've got two strikes.   That's brilliant.



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Sounds like ME:A is a Mako simulator with loads of boring filler content to entertain the easily amused. If there is one thing I hate more than anything in games it is boring filler content. :sick: I truly hope this isn't the case.

It's Mass Effect Andromeda, what do you think?

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/facepalm


Declare yourself the winner when you've got two strikes. That's brilliant.

Psychopaths are Sociopaths that lean more to the violent side. I got the textbook right here. Now who should I be rooting for?

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Psychopaths are Sociopaths that lean more to the violent side. I got the textbook right here. Now who should I be rooting for?

 

Neither term is accepted or used by the psychiatric community so who cares? 


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Neither term is accepted or used by the psychiatric community so who cares?

Tell that to the people who published my psychology/Sociology textbooks.

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Tell that to the people who published my psychology/Sociology textbooks.

 

There are textbooks that say Jesus really cured the sick and slaves in America were treated like equals to whites. Almost no credible psychiatric professional accepts that sociopathy is a diagnosable condition, and psychopath has no real meaning because it was created by popular culture.



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There are textbooks that say Jesus really cured the sick and slaves in America were treated like equals to whites. Almost no credible psychiatric professional accepts that sociopathy is a diagnosable condition, and psychopath has no real meaning because it was created by popular culture.

Coming from you that means almost nothing. Say are you a professor of social sciences? Didn't think so. And here we go. :rolleyes:

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Coming from you that means almost nothing. Say are you a professor of social sciences? Didn't think so. And here we go. :rolleyes:

 

Just out of curiosity, what kind of middle school hands out psychiatry textbooks? 



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Just out of curiosity, what kind of middle school hands out psychiatry textbooks?

It's an elective I just finished for my junior year. Slip and hook.

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It's an elective I just finished for my junior year. Slip and hook.

 

Middle schools have a junior year? 



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Middle schools have a junior year?

They don't have that where you're from? :rolleyes: parry

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They don't have that where you're from? :rolleyes: parry

 

Are you trying to inject words you heard at your ka-ra-te lessons as some sort of allusion to fighting me? 



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Are you trying to inject words you heard at your ka-ra-te lessons as some sort of allusion to fighting me?

obviously you're not much of a boxer. ;)

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Are you trying to inject words you heard at your ka-ra-te lessons as some sort of allusion to fighting me? 

 

 

It's spelled kara-teh. 


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I once saw it written in a textbook that I'm the single greatest entity that has ever existed in the universe or ever will exist.

 

True story.


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I once saw it written in a textbook that I'm the single greatest entity that has ever existed in the universe or ever will exist.

True story.

was it ones of those mommy's little angel books?