No. The kid said, 'When can "I" go to the stars?' And Buzz said, 'One day my sweet.'
This does not imply there is a galactic dark age, but rather the kid is deemed too young to go into space. Since you get the scene in synthesis and control it is almost certain that that was not what the writer intended.
Synthesis and Control also led to a dark age(pre-EC) since the relay network and all Reaper-based tech was destroyed in every ending.
Synthesis and Control also led to a dark age(pre-EC) since the relay network and all Reaper-based tech was destroyed in every ending.
No, all Reaper based based tech was not destroyed in every ending. You literally saw the Reapers get effected by the green wave then get up and fly away.
No, all Reaper based based tech was not destroyed in every ending. You literally saw the Reapers get effected by the green wave then get up and fly away.
And you literally saw the relays and FTL-drive ships get rekt.
Didn't the Stargazer scene say they didn't have space travel? "We'll get to space some day".
And you literally saw the relays and FTL-drive ships get rekt.
No you didn't. You saw one relay possibly get wrecked. And the Normandy crashed. That's it. You saw FTL ships (Reapers) survive perfectly. You went and formed your own conclusions to an ambiguous ending which is OK, although IMO your take on control and synthesis was extremely illogical. But the extended cut was a clarification that made things less ambiguous, there is nothing in it that was not supported as possibility by the original material.
Wow. Did everyone take stupid pills this morning? I feel like I'm surrounded by climate change deniers.
Or, you're surrounded by alternate, rational, non-hyperbolic viewpoints and you simply don't know what to do with it.
Very Davidesque
Or, you're surrounded by alternate, rational, non-hyperbolic viewpoints and you simply don't know what to do with it.
Me thinks Shinobi is full of ducky pucky. EA is not scheduled to do anything big at E3, they have a side room, yet he said it's going to be big at E3. EA is doing their own thing at their EA Play, which is at a separate venue a few days before E3. Isn't it interesting that he didn't mention EA Play, if there's going to be any kind of game play that's where it's going to be.
Me thinks Shinobi is full of ducky pucky. EA is not scheduled to do anything big at E3, they have a side room, yet he said it's going to be big at E3. EA is doing their own thing at their EA Play, which is at a separate venue a few days before E3. Isn't it interesting that he didn't mention EA Play, if there's going to be any kind of game play that's where it's going to be.
There's nothing rational in your view. You're ignoring logic.
No, you're failing to see why your logic is flawed and skewed toward the worst possible scenario, when said scenario isn't likely. You're aware that you're actually ignoring logic, right? Like people still knowing how technology works. And EDI being just fine in Control. And the Stargazer scene taking place faaaaaaaar in the future.
Why did the relays get destroyed?
Because it was a substantial surge of energy.
Thematically? Because with the Reapers went their technology, breaking the path of development desired and constructed by them.
Losing the advantage they forced upon the galaxy =/= galactic dark age because they're destroyed damaged.
Remember, species have to reach a relay in the first place to start using them.
Why did the Normandy crash?
Because it was a substantial surge of energy.
Thematically? Because it creates drama around the characters we've grown to know, showcasing that they survived the blast and have a road ahead of them. Again, unless every brain was wiped during the Crucible blast, people still know how technology works.
What makes you think they're stuck in a galactic dark age?
Why is there an Adam & Eve allegory?
Unless Joker's planning on repopulating with Garrus and Javik, there ain't an "Adam and Eve" allegory going on here.
Why did the Stargazer scene exist?
How many reasons do you want me to list?
The big ones: To prove that the galaxy turned out okay in all endings, and to create a form of "unification" point for all ending states. At some point, 10,000 years in the future, this event takes place in all of them.
Why does this signify a "galactic dark age"?
You're ignoring all of this to support BioWare's false narrative and I'm really not sure why.
No, you're framing the details so you can beat up on a "false narrative".
It all points to a galactic dark age.
Except when you start applying some logic to the notion that a "galactic dark age" didn't really happen, because knowledge and perseverance. What, do you think they all threw their hands in the air and said, "Wellp, no more technology. Let's start screwing and repopulating and forgetting everything we already knew!"
There's nothing rational in your view. You're ignoring logic. Why did the relays get destroyed? Why did the Normandy crash? Why is there an Adam & Eve allegory? Why did the Stargazer scene exist? You're ignoring all of this to support BioWare's false narrative and I'm really not sure why.
It all points to a galactic dark age.
1. Too much energy, overloading them for a time.
2. The wave hit the Normandy systems, forcing it to crash land because of a power surge, like too much energy at once basically.
3. Because of the symbolism of rebirth and growth beyond their mortal selves; they have found paradise together in their own form of Eden, and it was a hard fought battle.
4. To give literally be an allegory to the Leviathans. The Leviathans once said to their machines to (figure out what the problem is here.) The Stargazer, representing the Reapers, are asking Shepard to figure out what the problem is here. It's symmetrical with the Leviathan DLC giving it context, and nothing was really changed from the Stargazer scene.
5. There is no galactic dark age. You are, once again, still wrong.
So yeah, there is the logic behind it all. I must admit I am bemused that people are arguing this still, but whatever, you guys do what you think is right I guess, or whatever makes you happy, even if it means irrational thought.
So a bunch of stupid crap happened for no reason,
the Stargazer somehow doesn't have access to technology but technology is still fine,
and we should just ignore what's right in front of our faces?
Wow, so logical.
My impression was that there was a dark age but the extended epilogue cut kind of softened it with an overly optimistic message that the civilizations were "rebuilding" (image of Wrex looking at blueprints)
What happened during this "dark age" pre-EC? Did people just forget everything they knew before, sit down in the middle of the dirt, and start drawing circles while waiting for turns to procreate? Or, more logically, did they get their crap together and start rebuilding?
Is it possible people say "E3" to broadly refer to a group of events generally happening in the same week in the same city?
When I lived in LA we kind of talked like that. Literally every house party was an "e3 party."
If he's doing that I don't think he's as much of an insider as he claims to be, since EA is playing this up as a big event http://www.ea.com/play2016/ happening simultaneously in LA and in London, and they're touting Titanfall 2 as the "big" game.
They did start rebuilding. But their prior technological key - their network for communication and economic exchange - was completely wiped out. A HUGE hit to the galactic economy.
You can progress in a dark age.
I feel like the epilogue softened it, even implied the relays were being rebuilt, but logically they'd be cut off from one another. It'd be terrible.
A dark age isn't really just an economic recession or even a catastrophic event that takes a while to recover from. It is a technological and social regression.
I am also somewhat surprised people can readily accept the construction of an intergalactic ark and colonisation of Andromeda but think the milky way can't rebuild from a destroy ending. The former would be massively more difficult, requiring much greater technology and done so, in comparison, with a tiny industrial base.
Yawn. Address the points, if you can.
Everything getting destroyed was just to look cool, according to you. Casey Hudson is actually Michael Bay. The relays getting destroyed was pointless since they were rebuilt lickety-split. The Citadel getting destroyed was pointless since, what, infinite resources post-Reaper invasion? The Normandy crashing was pointless since it just took right back off again, despite the crew getting off and looking off into the vista like that was their new home or Adam & Eve getting off and, well...
Why doesn't the Stargazer have access to technology?
He doesn't know what's historical fact and what's a fairy tale. There's no legitimate reason why any major figures or events would be "lost to time" when billions of people were wearing recording devices at all times and data storage was incalculably more advanced than it is now.
The Stargazer was more cement for the Adam & Eve allegory. "The Shepard" was more religious BS.
And the "one day, my sweet" was, aside from creepy, clearly the old pedophile telling the child that humans will reach the stars again in the future. No one tells children "you'll be able to do X one day" when they're talking about stuff they can do when they're older. They say "when you're older" or "when you're grown up."
What are we ignoring?
Adam & Eve, for starters.
Try again.
Smug and wrong is a bad combo.
Everything getting destroyed was just to look cool, according to you. Casey Hudson is actually Michael Bay.
Wut? I even gave you thematic intentions above.
Michael Bay? Yawn.
The relays getting destroyed was pointless since they were rebuilt lickety-split.
It's actually mentioned that it will take time to do so. So no, not "lickety-split".
The Citadel getting destroyed was pointless since, what, infinite resources post-Reaper invasion?
Try and articulate this point a bit better. Making the decision and mounting the effort to rebuild the Citadel is daunting.
And again, the work put into the Crucible ultimately introduced a lot of information about the foreign corners of that technology. Brains and databases weren't erased.
The Normandy crashing was pointless since it just took right back off again, despite the crew getting off and looking off into the vista like that was their new home or Adam & Eve getting off and, well...
First, what makes you think it takes right back off again?
Second, care to take a look at the video I posted and counter the "Adam and Eve" statement?
He doesn't know what's historical fact and what's a fairy tale.
There's no legitimate reason why any major figures or events would be "lost to time" when billions of people were wearing recording devices at all times and data storage was incalculably more advanced than it is now.
Sure, he does. He might not know who all Shepard banged and whether they decided to insult Fist at the bar or not, though, or whether Shepard decided to change his/her eye color between ME2 and ME3.
Where are you extrapolating any of this about "major figures"? Methinks you're taking that statement far too literally to prop up your attack on a "false narrative".
The Stargazer was more cement for the Adam & Eve allegory.
"The Shepard" was more religious BS.
Again, tackle the video posted above and unpack why it's an Adam and Eve allegory.
Why does it have to be religious? Can't it just be a nickname for a significant and mythical figure in their history?
And the "one day, my sweet" was, aside from creepy, clearly the old pedophile telling the child that humans will reach the stars again in the future.
Or, it could simply be a conversation between an old man and a young boy about what the future holds in a civilization that's aged 10,000 years. Do you seriously think they haven't gotten back to the stars after 10,000 years?
No one tells children "you'll be able to do X one day" when they're talking about stuff they can do when they're older. They say "when you're older" or "when you're grown up."
Nope. "One day" is definitely something told to younger children.
Adam & Eve, for starters.
So, is Garrus or Javik the "Eve"?
Smug and wrong is a bad combo.
Hah! Gauging by the tone of your posts, you'd certainly know.
The game's own files refer to Joker and EDI as Adam and Eve in the Synthesis ending, and all of the endings were built around that framework.
The relays are rebuilt and working in every ending apparently well within Hackett's lifetime and service.
No one looks any worse for wear when the Normandy takes back off.
The old man says that much of history has "been lost in time." That doesn't happen with advanced technology.
Where are you getting 10,000 years?
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