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[Lulupab]

You can stop Merrill from being a Blood Mage, you can change Isabela to become a better person, you can make Fenris more accepting of mages and you can encourage Sebastian to do his princely duties. However, no matter what you do, you cannot change Anders' mind. No matter how nice or firm Hawke is with him, he ends up being a terrorist. Therefore, screw Anders.

 

You mean Anders is not a poppy in need of hand holding, because this describes Merril and Sebastian PERFECTLY and more or less applies to Fenris and Isabela. They constantly need your help and are utterly miserable without it. As known as they are fake characters, no one changes that easily in real life. Hence brings us to what I said earlier in this thread about Anders romance being mature. Also it has more points in the game where your decisions can break the romance, which is how it should be. You can spit on the face of Fenris and Isabela and they will still remain your love interest, which is rather unrealistic.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

You mean Anders is not a poppy in need of hand holding, because this describes Merril and Sebastian PERFECTLY and more or less applies to Fenris and Isabella. They constantly need your help and are utterly miserable without it.

 

& Anders is a miserable abominable wreck who commits acts of terrorism with or without your help.

[Lulupab]

& Anders is a miserable abominable wreck who commits acts of terrorism with or without your help.

 

Added some edit to my post for clarification, now get down from your high horse and leave this thread. Anders clearly doesn't interest you.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Added some edit to my post for clarification, now get down from your high horse and leave this thread. Anders clearly doesn't interest you.

 

No he doesn't, because he is a terrorist and I am making my opinion known in a thread that asks if he should be romanced or not.

[Biotic Apostate]

No he doesn't, because he is a terrorist and I am making my opinion known in a thread that asks if he should be romanced or not.

The thread asks if Anders should be romanced with a male or a female Hawke and why, not whether he should be romanced at all. You're not adding anything useful to the actual topic of the thread.

[Catilina]

I almost said something, but instead I'm going to play a little bit. My new Hawke want a hug from this "abomination".

[Idun]

My Hawkes always want to hug him

[ArcadiaGrey]

No he doesn't, because he is a terrorist and I am making my opinion known in a thread that asks if he should be romanced or not.

 

Nope, I'm doing the romance anyway.  I just wanted to know if there was a better path, either male or female Hawke.

 

I get what you're saying, Anders bugs the crap outta me, but I've found in the past that if I just give a character I don't like much a chance, they'll surprise me.  Happened with Zevran, I didn't like him until I romanced him.  Now I love him to bits.

 

So now I'm giving Anders the benefit of the doubt and trying out his romance.  So many people enjoy it and like his character, there has to be something good there no?

[Catilina]

Nope, I'm doing the romance anyway.  I just wanted to know if there was a better path, either male or female Hawke.

 

I get what you're saying, Anders bugs the crap outta me, but I've found in the past that if I just give a character I don't like much a chance, they'll surprise me.  Happened with Zevran, I didn't like him until I romanced him.  Now I love him to bits.

 

So now I'm giving Anders the benefit of the doubt and trying out his romance.  So many people enjoy it and like his character, there has to be something good there no?

(I apologize in advance, but we have a proverb... "Eat sh*t! Billions flies can't be wrong!"  Ok, ok, I know... I promise, next time I'll try to restrain myself...) (Of course, this does not mean that at this situation would be true!)

 

And now seriously: 

I was similary with Fenris' case.

 

And as I said: I love Anders. We can say: he are good or bad, he is one of the most interesting character. And questionless lovely (for me... and for so many people, as you say).

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Nope, I'm doing the romance anyway.  I just wanted to know if there was a better path, either male or female Hawke.

 

I get what you're saying, Anders bugs the crap outta me, but I've found in the past that if I just give a character I don't like much a chance, they'll surprise me.  Happened with Zevran, I didn't like him until I romanced him.  Now I love him to bits.

 

So now I'm giving Anders the benefit of the doubt and trying out his romance.  So many people enjoy it and like his character, there has to be something good there no?

 

Zevran didn't blow up a building just to prove a point.

[Catilina]

Zevran didn't blow up a building just to prove a point.

We all would get lost, if you would not show the right way to us! I can't be grateful enough for it. I just can say: thank you so much again!

 

[R0vena]

Anders romance is just brutal (in a good way) with lots of feels and nice quotes. Also its surprisingly mature and "romantic". For example most companions either don't use the L word at all, or say it once near the end. Anders will say it whenever it matters, which is quite a few times.

 

However its definitely not for everyone, hence the unoriginal murder knife post.

I actually feel the opposite. Because of frequent use of L word and other passion lines combined with actual results in the end I felt all that was rather hollow. Anders sure talks pretty, but doesn't really act on it. 

Don't get me wrong, I think Anders romance is very well done, it is my second favorite in DA 2 (after Fenris), but it is also extremely tragic and even if Anders survives I feel there could be no happy end there (but that's just me).

 

To the topic, I prefer to romance Anders with the male Hawke. I prefer rivalmance since strangely enough it always seemed to me rivalmance helps Anders to save at least some of his own identity instead of just fully merging with Vengeance as in friendmance . The reasons for male romance are the same as mentioned  before - I like the lines he speaks only to the male Hawke.

[Lulupab]

I actually feel the opposite. Because of frequent use of L word and other passion lines combined with actual results in the end I felt all that was rather hollow. Anders sure talks pretty, but doesn't really act on it. 

Don't get me wrong, I think Anders romance is very well done, it is my second favorite in DA 2 (after Fenris), but it is also extremely tragic and even if Anders survives I feel there could be no happy end there (but that's just me).

 

To the topic, I prefer to romance Anders with the male Hawke. I prefer rivalmance since strangely enough it always seemed to me rivalmance helps Anders to save at least some of his own identity instead of just fully merging with Vengeance as in friendmance . The reasons for male romance are the same as mentioned  before - I like the lines he speaks only to the male Hawke.

 

Well duh, there is no happy ending with Anders. But there is a bittersweet one. Friend Romance, help Isabela get her ship, she invites you to board with her, you tell her you can't abandon Anders, she invites both of you. She says the three of you will sail off once your are done with Kirkwall, and by the end of the game you are pretty much done with Kirkwall.

 

This ending will transfer to DA:I as Hawke and Anders, two lovers, traveling from circle to circle and helping mages rebel against Templars. This is actually acknowledged by Hawke if you make proper choices on DA Keep. However the Isabela part becomes headcanon, however no reason to doubt it. She helped you move around the world to reach the said circles with her ship.

 

Also I'm not sure how you want Anders to "act on it". I mean sure he destroys the chantry, but other than that I didn't find any hollowness in what he says. Like that's the only thing he does which can be seen as not being loyal. 

[R0vena]

 

Also I'm not sure how you want Anders to "act on it". I mean sure he destroys the chantry, but other than that I didn't find any hollowness in what he says. Like that's the only thing he does which can be seen as not being loyal. 

Chantry destruction has nothing to do with it. He promises you sun, moon and all the stars, but in reality it is Hawke who always has to do something. You love me? Prove it, let me move in with you. You love me? Help me sneak into the Chantry and don't ask questions. I am sure Anders really means what he says in theory, but in reality Hawke will never be his number 1 priority, not even number 2 or 3. The moment Anders will find himself in the situation "Hawke or justice" Hawke will be done for. Anders in this situation will probably not be capable of bearing the choice he had to make and most likely commit suicide. That is not happened yet doesn't change anything. That is why I think it will end in tragedy no matter what and that for both of them it is actually much better chance for happy(ish) ending if they don't romance each other.

 

But hey, it is just my vision. If somebody is sure that Anders and Hawke will have their happy ever after, I am not going to argue, I am just explaining my own point of view. To each their own.

[Catilina]

If Hawke have same purpose as Anders, they can will be happy. This is, why I romance him with pro mage, always. And close friendship is necessary. I think the rivalry is not working: Justice/Vengeance and Anders became one, can not be separated. Anders will be able to control Justice, if he can control himself. If his lover causes conflict with him, it's breaking his personality, he falls prey to madness and dies. This is what I can imagine. 

 

He honestly tell you, what the priority in his life, and he can't really be changed this. Hawke can either accept or not. As I said before: can help a lot if Hawke's creed coincident with his goals.

 

If  Hawke take him to the Legacy mission, Anders' faith waver a little bit.

[Lulupab]

Chantry destruction has nothing to do with it. He promises you sun, moon and all the stars, but in reality it is Hawke who always has to do something. You love me? Prove it, let me move in with you. You love me? Help me sneak into the Chantry and don't ask questions. I am sure Anders really means what he says in theory, but in reality Hawke will never be his number 1 priority, not even number 2 or 3. The moment Anders will find himself in the situation "Hawke or justice" Hawke will be done for. Anders in this situation will probably not be capable of bearing the choice he had to make and most likely commit suicide. That is not happened yet doesn't change anything. That is why I think it will end in tragedy no matter what and that for both of them it is actually much better chance for happy(ish) ending if they don't romance each other.

 

But hey, it is just my vision. If somebody is sure that Anders and Hawke will have their happy ever after, I am not going to argue, I am just explaining my own point of view. To each their own.

 

But you have to realize some things are more important than love, just like how it is in real life. I think we can both agree fate of all mages is more important than the love between Hawke and Anders. And the fact that they both agree on the matter simply solidifies their love.

 

Evidently there are more decisions in the game that breaks Anders' romance compared to other companions. Hence I called it realistic.

[Biotic Apostate]

Really depends on how you play. In my worldstate there is no reason for Anders to choose between Justice and Hawke, because Hawke supports him. He cares for mage freedom and has almost a pathological need to help others (no other way for me to explain his quest for fixing Kirkwall), so he and Anders go well together. I also liked the (slightly headcanoned) ending, where Isabela took them on her boat and they travelled Thedas, helping other circles. Depending on how you see it and who you play, a happy ending is very realistic.

[R0vena]

But you have to realize some things are more important than love, just like how it is in real life. I think we can both agree fate of all mages is more important than the love between Hawke and Anders. And the fact that they both agree on the matter simply solidifies their love.

 

Evidently there are more decisions in the game that breaks Anders' romance compared to other companions. Hence I called it realistic.

Sure. I fully realize that. However, from Anders speeches you can make a conclusion that Hawke is the most important thing in the world for him (famous "I'll drown the whole city in blood for you' - sure did, just not for Hawke) when in reality it is far from truth. Actually, if Anders had less pretty speeches about the matter  I would have no problems with his romance at all.

 

And yes, I did romanced Anders with fully pro-mage Hawke on Friendship and still have the vibe of tragedy to come. Because it is not Anders but Vengeance who will decide if Hawke is somehow in the way of justice or not. And Vengeance is not the most adequate person around, so even if Hawke's goals are in total harmony with Anders' Vengeance might decide differently. Again, it feels like that for me personally, I am not trying to prove it is a universal truth.

[Catilina]

Now let's be honest and realist (maybe I'm not the most romantic man in the world ...):  Most enamored man to say that, and undoubtedly he think  seriously.  They also say: you are the only person in the whole world. Of course, this is not true, but it's true. There, in that moment, for him you are the only one, and feel capable of anything for you. These are not lies, just exaggerations. Love is a heightened emotional state. This fact necessary keep in mind. 

 

(It's my opinion, but perhaps I'm wrong. I admit I am not a great expert on the subject, but it is logical for me.)

 

I still say: Anders tells to Hawke, what are guided his life. Only in one thing he lying: when he ask Hawke for the potion ingredients. Later, he admits his lie, if Hawke ask for it.

[R0vena]

Now let's be honest and realist (maybe I'm not the most romantic man in the world ...):  Most enamored man to say that

Yeah, I totally hate that.)

I absolutely prefer when man is not speaking pretty at all, but shows his feelings with his deeds. And by deeds I don't mean serenades and flowers, but support and help in difficult times and situations.

Pretty speeches too often end in just that... speeches. 

(I guess I am really not romantic.  )

[Catilina]

Then blame the phenyletilamin!

[R0vena]

Then blame the phenyletilamin!

Ha-ha! Good advice!

But I still prefer the silent romantic type. Probably because I am one myself.

 

ps I apologize to OP for such off topic. Back to the matter. I did try to romance Anders with a female Hawke once - something just did feel amiss. Maybe if I didn't romance him with a male first I would feel different. I must say one thing, however - I did feel that at least one of Anders love scenes was designed with a woman in mind - man looked a bit awkward (to me, at least).

[ArcadiaGrey]

Ha-ha! Good advice!

But I still prefer the silent romantic type. Probably because I am one myself.

 

ps I apologize to OP for such off topic. Back to the matter. I did try to romance Anders with a female Hawke once - something just did feel amiss. Maybe if I didn't romance him with a male first I would feel different. I must say one thing, however - I did feel that at least one of Anders love scenes was designed with a woman in mind - man looked a bit awkward (to me, at least).

 

It's interesting reading your thoughts on the romance, I don't mind you going a little off topic and discussing it.  

[Catilina]

Ha-ha! Good advice!

But I still prefer the silent romantic type. Probably because I am one myself.

 

ps I apologize to OP for such off topic. Back to the matter. I did try to romance Anders with a female Hawke once - something just did feel amiss. Maybe if I didn't romance him with a male first I would feel different. I must say one thing, however - I did feel that at least one of Anders love scenes was designed with a woman in mind - man looked a bit awkward (to me, at least).

Yes, some movement in the bed scene a bit disturbing with male Hawke, I also feel that.  The mistake that designed same scene to male and female Hawke, so it's hard to being equally credible, I think. Everything else, however, is better with M!Hawke, as I see.

 

PS: A little detour there is nothing wrong, I think it could be interesting.

[R0vena]

^

Yes, that is the one I was talking about. I usually try not to concentrate on Hawke there. Actually, that scene was the reason I decided to try a female Hawke/Anders romance, but just couldn't get through with it and ended up romancing Fenris instead.