Regarding ME1, I personally feel Ashley's is the worst; especially how she ninjamances you just by talking to her.
If you play FemShep you have the same problem with Kaidan. Just talking to him leads him to believe Shep is romantically interested in him and suddenly he's all "I got signals." And there is no way of telling him that you're into Liara.
But you can flat out tell him you are not interested. With Ashley, there is not such an option that I know of.
I believe the final option to prevent a romances is after the Normandy has been grounded: the romanced companion comes to Shepard as they are leaning on the lockers. Basically, be as horrible to them as the dialogue options allow and the romance is cancelled. This worked for me with Ashley.
Miranda's ME3 romance isn't horrible; she's just not there. And it wasn't my male Shep's idea to keep her off the Normandy, but I can't think of a good reason for her to be on the Normandy. And I think Garrus had the most romance content, actually. Or at least, the most crew member interaction which in turn led to flirt lines if you were romancing him. I was really disappointed with the level of interaction I got from Kaidan in ME3, and even more so when I romanced Garrus and saw the difference.
I believe the final option to prevent a romances is after the Normandy has been grounded: the romanced companion comes to Shepard as they are leaning on the lockers. Basically, be as horrible to them as the dialogue options allow and the romance is cancelled. This worked for me with Ashley.
Right. That is true. It is just annoying that she thinks you two are romantically involved up to that point simply by talking to her.
I think that was a problem with all three of them and something the developers improved on.
I think Liara even had this very frustrating glitch wherein one of her dialogue options set the romance in motion when the line in question was about being friends. Even more egregious was that I think the option was one of the ways to reject her romance.
Lol Her not being there is largely WHY the romance is horrible.
Liara's dialogue is actually pretty clear, after she expresses her interest in Shepard you have three options for a response to her:
1) Yes, I'm interested too.
2) No, I just want to be friends.
3) Hell no!
But, like you said, the last option is buggy (but that isn't a part of her character, she's supposed to accept Shepard's answer)
I wish there was a polite way to turn down romances and I didn't have to walk on eggshells to not trigger the romances like with Kaidan and Jacob.
Why would the Alliance let a known terrorist on board an Alliance ship?
I think that was a problem with all three of them and something the developers improved on.
I think Liara even had this very frustrating glitch wherein one of her dialogue options set the romance in motion when the line in question was about being friends. Even more egregious was that I think the option was one of the ways to reject her romance.
Known terrorist? Same as Shepard, Joker, Tali, Garrus, Chakwas, Ken, Gabby? Besides, it is Shepard's call. The Alliance won't stop him/her. Ex: when Shepard tries to recruit Jacob.
Also, the Alliance has no problem letting ex-Cerberus near the crucible.
Sorry. I think you are reaching; especially considering the examples I have mentioned. You, for some reason, have convinced yourself that the Alliance would actually forbid the spectre Shepard from allowing one particular ex-Cerberus agent to join the team, even when Shepard has brought all sorts of aliens along when the Alliance didn't like it in ME1 for example. And considering everything Shepard gets away with, I can't fathom how you believe this is where the Alliance would draw the line.Oh, come on. Miranda was part of an organization that paid for Shepard's body in the hopes of bringing him back to life. She'd never worked with the Alliance before (unlike everyone else you mentioned), and wasn't part of the team that took down Saren and stopped Sovereign's invasion. They didn't know her. And with Shepard locked up in jail and relieved of duty, "trust me, she's fine" isn't going to work. Ken and Gabby were actually locked up too, in case you forgot. They were also former Alliance, essentially pardoned by Shepard. Same goes for whatever Shepard does for Jacob.The only person on board the Normandy who had ties to Cerberus at the beginning of ME3 is Joker, and even he was brought in under guard. Dr. Chakwas' explanation is pretty sketchy, but I can hand-wave that. Miranda is spending the majority of ME3 trying to find her sister. Big deal. That doesn't make the romance "terrible."Yeah, that's a little weird. But you can make the argument that if Cerberus is shooting at them then they're fine.
Sorry. I think you are reaching; especially considering the examples I have mentioned. You, for some reason, have convinced yourself that the Alliance would actually forbid the spectre Shepard from allowing one particular ex-Cerberus agent to join the team, even when Shepard has brought all sorts of aliens along when the Alliance didn't like it in ME1 for example. And considering everything Shepard gets away with, I can't fathom how you believe this is where the Alliance would draw the line.
I think the romance is fine. It could have been better, but I see no reason for Miranda to have been on the Normandy at the beginning of ME3. And if she doesn't want to come with you or let you help her find Oriana, then that's all her decision.You can think the romance is good if you want. I gave plenty of reasons for why I believe it is terrible; better than a "big deal" argument or thinking Miranda not actually being around (and making head canon excuses for it) isn't a problem.
When you first meet Miranda, you have a ship and are a spectre. Wtf are you talking about? That is obviously the point in the story I'm referring to: when you actually meet her.Shepard is relieved of duty and has no ship at the beginning of ME3. What's Shepard going to do? Demand that Miranda be allowed on board a ship that isn't his anymore? A ship that Anderson had planned on using? And depending on ME2, Shepard may not even be a Spectre. A title that is meaningless either way considering you're being held with the Alliance. During your first conversation with Miranda she says she couldn't get anywhere near you. When you offer help she turns you down but thanks you. All of these circumstances are more than reasonable. I think the romance is fine. It could have been better, but I see no reason for Miranda to have been on the Normandy at the beginning of ME3. And if she doesn't want to come with you or let you help her find Oriana, then that's all her decision.
What I am saying is that, unlike Liara/Kaidan, you are stuck in an Ashley romance up until the Normandy lock-down scene just by talking to her, unless you end it in the threesome conversation, of course. Kaidan/Liara express interest just by talking to them too, but you are not actually in a romance until you admit being interested.
You are mistaken here. You can shut down an Ashley romance right from the start by taking the left-side option "you are out of line" when she talks about not wanting aliens on the ship. Unfortunately, this is a rather opaque way of shutting down a romance since the dialogue has nothing to do with romance at all.
As far as Kaidan goes, it seems there are probably two ways of shutting down a romance. One is to be renegade with him during the initial dialogues with him; there is no being polite allowed. Another way, I believe, is when you pick up Liara to tell him "I saw her first" (lower left side option).
With Liara, simply take the middle right side option: "Lets just be friends."
When you first meet Miranda, you have a ship and are a spectre. Wtf are you talking about? That is obviously the point in the story I'm referring to: when you actually meet her.
And great, Miranda wants to look for her sister (without help) while millions are dying daily instead of helping you save the Galaxy. More reason the romance is terrible.
You are mistaken here. You can shut down an Ashley romance right from the start by taking the left-side option "you are out of line" when she talks about not wanting aliens on the ship. Unfortunately, this is a rather opaque way of shutting down a romance since the dialogue has nothing to do with romance at all.
As far as Kaidan goes, it seems there are probably two ways of shutting down a romance. One is to be renegade with him during the initial dialogues with him; there is no being polite allowed. Another way, I believe, is when you pick up Liara to tell him "I saw her first" (lower left side option).
With Liara, simply take the middle right side option: "Lets just be friends."
I did not realize that about Ashley. Interesting. About Liara, isn't that "I saw her first line" exclusive to maleShep?
Nope. I did it once to see what would happen, and Kaidan went "I hear Asari are open to that sort of thing."
I thought the Shep/Liara romance was one of the best of all times to be found anywhere and certainly in a game. It is a classic romance.
1) The hero saves the less experienced love interest.
2) The LI helps the hero fulfill her destiny.
3) The LI naturally gets a crush on the hero and the hero, seeing the LI's hidden qualities (intelligence, determination) starts to fall as well.
4) They fall in love while the hero is fulfilling her destiny.
5) Tragedy happens and the LI loses the hero.
6) Instead of being crushed, the LI helps to save the hero and becomes a much stronger person, a true partner to the hero.
7) The hero and the LI are reunited after completing some quest together and reaffirm their love.
8) The hero and the LI are torn apart by circumstances once again.
9) The hero and the LI are reunited and again reaffirm their love and finally commit to each other.
10) It is through the practical and emotional support of the LI that the hero is able to defeat the ultimate evil/enemy (ie "I do it for my love ones" "I couldn't do this without you, Liara")
While I agree that some of the dialogue in ME 3 especially is horrible because of laziness or a lack of time/money, the overall romance between these two is incredible.
I thought the Shep/Liara romance was one of the best of all times to be found anywhere and certainly in a game. It is a classic romance.
1) The hero saves the less experienced love interest.
2) The LI helps the hero fulfill her destiny.
3) The LI naturally gets a crush on the hero and the hero, seeing the LI's hidden qualities (intelligence, determination) starts to fall as well.
4) They fall in love while the hero is fulfilling her destiny.
5) Tragedy happens and the LI loses the hero.
6) Instead of being crushed, the LI helps to save the hero and becomes a much stronger person, a true partner to the hero.
7) The hero and the LI are reunited after completing some quest together and reaffirm their love.
8) The hero and the LI are torn apart by circumstances once again.
9) The hero and the LI are reunited and again reaffirm their love and finally commit to each other.
10) It is through the practical and emotional support of the LI that the hero is able to defeat the ultimate evil/enemy (ie "I do it for my love ones" "I couldn't do this without you, Liara")
While I agree that some of the dialogue in ME 3 especially is horrible because of laziness or a lack of time/money, the overall romance between these two is incredible.
This summarizes the highs and lows those two go through, and it's exclusive to Liaramancers. I cannot understand how someone would say Liara's romance is poorly written but Garrus' romance, for example, is not. You cannot even touch the subject in ME1, so there is nothing before Illos. Then what you get in ME2 is brief and comical. ME3 improved on it at least. You still have to overlook basically dating a dinosaur.
Yeah, so you start out as friends not with someone you just met trying to jump your bones. What's wrong with that?
Garrus and Shepard are awkward because, you know, they are very different from each other being very different species and all. And Garrus is always comical so what's the big deal?
Dinosaurs are cool. http://imperatoralic...ssion-244280277
I romanced Liara after a lot of posters on this forum praised Liara's romance, and honestly I don't know what they're talking about. I my opinion I found her romance boring. In ME1 she felt like a weird stalker who's only interest in Shepard because of the beacon and "Oh, Shepard you saved me!" I hate damsels in distress. In ME2 she was nonexistent with the exception of Lair of the Shadow Broker (which is a good DLC, but I didn't love it like some others did) and in ME3 she kept friendzoning my Shep, which was especially frustrating as I had stayed loyal and romanced her through all three games. The differences between romanced and unromanced character are pretty much nonexistent as there is very little difference unlike Garrus who has very different scenes depending on whether you romanced him or not.
I rank the romances I've played in the following order:
Garrus
Kaidan
Thane
Liara
I feel like I need to put a disclaimer here that I do not hate Liara, because I feel like anytime a person criticizes her romance people jump on the "You're just a hater!" train. I actually like her quite a bit, but I do not like her romance.
This summarizes the highs and lows those two go through, and it's exclusive to Liaramancers. I cannot understand how someone would say Liara's romance is poorly written but Garrus' romance, for example, is not. You cannot even touch the subject in ME1, so there is nothing before Illos. Then what you get in ME2 is brief and comical. ME3 improved on it at least. You still have to overlook basically dating a dinosaur.
I think the Garrus romance really took off in ME3 with the Citadel DLC especially. That dance number alone was enough to make many chicks swoon (I'm a chick myself). As for dating a dinosaur, I get what you are saying and I think if faced with the prospect in real life, many of those who pursued a romance with Garrus would run the other way. A big problem in ME is there were not enough romance options for straight women hence the attraction to Space Chicken.
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