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[Donquijote and 59 others]

Time of the Elves? Time of the Elves?! ARGH!

 

Spoiler

Good bye human burn in the raw chaos

[Vortex13]

 

Sorry to go a little off topic but:

 

That scene from the Matrix while cool sounding has no actual basis in real life and always annoys me when used as an apparent mark against humanity. Any organism will move to an area, multiply, consume any and all available resources and then move on if the local ecosystem isn't balanced to counter-act their presence.

 

Anything.

 

Fungi, Plants, Animals (be they reptilian, avian, or mammal), Insects, etc. will do this. Look at any of the invasive species lists and all of them are a 'virus' 'polluting our world'. If what Agent Smith says is correct (it isn't) than the exact same thing can be said of Kudzu, or the Africanized Honeybee, or the Brown tree snake, or the black carp, or the brown rat, etc.

 

Sorry, rant over 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

The knife ears are starting to get uppity again it seems, about time for a purge.

Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh. You touch my mind,fumbling in ignorance,incapable of understanding.

Your lives are measured in years and decades you wither and die.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Pollution of Humans ? Shouldn't it be superiority of Humans because Human genetics trump Elven genetics since when an Elf and a Human copulate, the resulting offspring is always Human.

[Almostfaceman]

*sigh* You're all Elf lovers here it seems...

 

 

[Qis]

Sorry to go a little off topic but:

 

That scene from the Matrix while cool sounding has no actual basis in real life and always annoys me when used as an apparent mark against humanity. Any organism will move to an area, multiply, consume any and all available resources and then move on if the local ecosystem isn't balanced to counter-act their presence.

 

Anything.

 

Fungi, Plants, Animals (be they reptilian, avian, or mammal), Insects, etc. will do this. Look at any of the invasive species lists and all of them are a 'virus' 'polluting our world'. If what Agent Smith says is correct (it isn't) than the exact same thing can be said of Kudzu, or the Africanized Honeybee, or the Brown tree snake, or the black carp, or the brown rat, etc.

 

Sorry, rant over 

 

I disagree....before human, all life are balanced, the nature balance itself, it is undeniable...you see frogs eat mosquitoes, snakes eat frogs, hawk (not Hawke) eat snakes...it is always balanced. Even if imbalance happens, the nature balance it sooner or later. That's the way of nature. Human just don't fit in anywhere...

 

Human is at the top of the food chain, human can eat everything, any things that human tummy can tolerate, by that alone shows human is a destroyer of nature. It is just because of human refuse to eat something, doesn't mean human can't eat it, human even can eat human...and we call it cannibalism. That's how far human can consume things into the belly.

 

The earth is indeed old, look at ancient ruins in the forest, there was no forest when human dwell the area, but when human left or die entirely, the nature heal that place, trees and vegetation grow upon the ruins, animals, insects and organism come back and dwell the place...see how human actually do not fit into nature, human change the nature to suit self, not the other way...

 

Our home right now WAS belong to some organism sometime ago...we destroy it, we destroy them for us to live on...think about that...the ants and roaches continue to strive living among us, we spray them and smash them, we are the king of the world...

 

Human don't naturally come from earth, we are aliens....

 

And so in Dragon Age, it is a common cliche about Elves, Dwarves and any non-human talk **** about human because we human know we are a WORSE living being, we expressed that in literature, it's like looking in the mirror...those non-human are a part of our conscience, about how we see ourselves if we are non-human.

[Aren]

Sorry to go a little off topic but:

 

That scene from the Matrix while cool sounding has no actual basis in real life and always annoys me when used as an apparent mark against humanity. Any organism will move to an area, multiply, consume any and all available resources and then move on if the local ecosystem isn't balanced to counter-act their presence.

 

Anything.

 

Fungi, Plants, Animals (be they reptilian, avian, or mammal), Insects, etc. will do this. Look at any of the invasive species lists and all of them are a 'virus' 'polluting our world'. If what Agent Smith says is correct (it isn't) than the exact same thing can be said of Kudzu, or the Africanized Honeybee, or the Brown tree snake, or the black carp, or the brown rat, etc.

 

Sorry, rant over 

The dinosaurs managed to survive for  millions of years and were apparently killed by a meteorite.

Do you honestly think that this  humanity will endure for millions of years?I doubt we will reach  the 3000

[LightningPoodle]

 

Eh... he's alright. He can survive my doomsday event.

[IllustriousT]

"The Truth"

 

Spoiler

 

 

DunDunDuuuuuuuuuun

 

See...Elves..*cough* don't pollute - they love.

[LightningPoodle]

Ewww... My favourite animal... tainted. 

[IllustriousT]

Awww....great - Thanks LP, now I feel guilty.

 

 

Elves still rule.

[Vortex13]

 

The dinosaurs managed to survive for  millions of years and were apparently killed by a meteorite.

Do you honestly think that this  humanity will endure for millions of years?I doubt we will reach  the 3000

 

 

 

I didn't mention the potential longevity of humanity at all in my initial post, I'm not sure were you're getting that point. I merely pointed out, how that whole "Agent Smith" line of reasoning is flat out incorrect in real life, and that humans are not unique in their tendency to dominate an environment if given the leave to do so.

 

The kudzu vine (for instance) is not some blameless/mystical lifeform that will magically establish a balance with any environment it finds itself in. No, it will crowd out, choke out, and smother other plants while stealing sunlight, water, and nutrients from the soil to propagate it's species at the expense of others. Humanity isn't in anyway unique in being able to upset and devastate local ecosystems; nature does it all the time. 

 

We are unique however, in that we are the only species to recognize our impact on the environment and then take steps to help reduce or eliminate that impact.

[LightningPoodle]

Awww....great - Thanks LP, now I feel guilty.

 

 

Elves still rule.

 

Aww. It's okay, Ill.

[TK514]

Sorry to go a little off topic but:

 

That scene from the Matrix while cool sounding has no actual basis in real life and always annoys me when used as an apparent mark against humanity. Any organism will move to an area, multiply, consume any and all available resources and then move on if the local ecosystem isn't balanced to counter-act their presence.

 

Anything.

 

Fungi, Plants, Animals (be they reptilian, avian, or mammal), Insects, etc. will do this. Look at any of the invasive species lists and all of them are a 'virus' 'polluting our world'. If what Agent Smith says is correct (it isn't) than the exact same thing can be said of Kudzu, or the Africanized Honeybee, or the Brown tree snake, or the black carp, or the brown rat, etc.

 

Sorry, rant over 

 

Thank you.

[Secret Rare]

Thank you for what?
That post is rubbish for anyone who studied a minimum about species and the ecosystems.
Humans are the only species that severely pollute the environment with artificial products and live more longer than is necessary with medicine.
Every time a new species become dominant into an environment there is always an equilibrium of sort but not with humans.Many species are already extinct because of us and many others will follow in the future.
So yeah Smith has his point.

[Macha'Anu]

Oh lord. Isn't this topic about thedas and the elves vs humans storyline? I'm with the other poster. Boy these topics deviate from its intended purpose too often. I'm not taking any points from someone that works for a "govt" that basically lobotomizes people and implants a life story in their mind. Movie was uber weird too. Eww gross. And besides human haters have no fear. We will be extinct soon. I look forward to it myself. I tired of hearing people talk about how we are evil bane of existence. Sigh.

[ModernAcademic]

Thank you for what?
That post is rubbish for anyone who studied a minimum about species and the ecosystems.
Humans are the only species that severely pollute the environment with artificial products and live more longer than is necessary with medicine.
Every time a new species become dominant into an environment there is always an equilibrium of sort but not with humans.Many species are already extinct because of us and many others will follow in the future.
So yeah Smith has his point.

 

Every species pollutes the environment because we all consume something from it - plants, animals, oxygen, wood, coal - and leave its remnants for nature to process. When a monkey eats a banana, he throws the peel to the ground. When he takes a sh*t, he does that on the ground. When we die, the decomposition of our bodies - animal and vegetable - pollute the environment.

 

What happens is that the earth has a limited capacity of reabsortion, water has a limited capacity of purification, asf. And mankind is GLADLY the first species on the planet that has learned NOT TO DEPEND 100% ON NATURE'S CYCLES for its survival. We're staging the ground to become a species that's independent from its natural environment, that can actually recreate a livable ecosystem on other planets and that can be a fully interstellar race, what with creating infinite batteries, learning new process o recycling, creating food that can last for decades, creating avatars that bring us close to immortality and other marvelous works of engineering.

 

I strongly believe that this quality our species possesses is not an exclusively human thing, since we mirror everything animals do. We're part of their evolution. Just as they're our past, they'll one day become like us. We don't live like them because we've developed logic and reason to such an extent they made us aware of our actions in a level animals still haven't mentally reached. One day, they might build a civilisation that models our own, after millions of years of evolution. And then,they'll make discoveries of their own and have a very similar evolutionary process, what with having problems of waste, pollution, urban disorder, just as we did, CONTRARY TO WHAT ENVIRONMENTALISTS THINK, what with their whole thesis on animals being pure and devoid of malice. They also fight, rape, pollute and kill like we do. It's in their nature, just as it is in ours.

 

We are part of nature and we are learning to survive beyond its limitations. We are breaking free of its cycles and mastering our evolution. Advocating humans have to stop evolving and quit their path of discovery, of understanding the planet and the universe IS ANTI-SCIENTIFIC and, by all accounts, A RETROCESS. What humans have to do is to learn from past mistakes and to keep moving forward, instead of drowning in this improductive mentality of navel contemplation, of self-guilt which runs contrary to the first law of nature itself: to learn each time more, to increase your knowledge further and further about yourself, the world and the universe so you can increase your odds of SURVIVAL.

[Qis]

Every species pollutes the environment because we all consume something from it - plants, animals, oxygen, wood, coal - and leave its remnants for nature to process. When a monkey eats a banana, he throws the peel to the ground. When he takes a sh*t, he does that on the ground. When we die, the decomposition of our bodies - animal and vegetable - pollute the environment.

 

What happens is that the earth has a limited capacity of reabsortion, water has a limited capacity of purification, asf. And mankind is GLADLY the first species on the planet that has learned NOT TO DEPEND 100% ON NATURE'S CYCLES for its survival. We're staging the ground to become a species that's independent from its natural environment, that can actually recreate a livable ecosystem on other planets and that can be a fully interstellar race, what with creating infinite batteries, learning new process o recycling, creating food that can last for decades, creating avatars that bring us close to immortality and other marvelous works of engineering.

 

I strongly believe that this quality our species possesses is not an exclusively human thing, since we mirror everything animals do. We're part of their evolution. Just as they're our past, they'll one day become like us. We don't live like them because we've developed logic and reason to such an extent they made us aware of our actions in a level animals still haven't mentally reached. One day, they might build a civilisation that models our own, after millions of years of evolution. And then,they'll make discoveries of their own and have a very similar evolutionary process, what with having problems of waste, pollution, urban disorder, just as we did, CONTRARY TO WHAT ENVIRONMENTALISTS THINK, what with their whole thesis on animals being pure and devoid of malice. They also fight, rape, pollute and kill like we do. It's in their nature, just as it is in ours.

 

We are part of nature and we are learning to survive beyond its limitations. We are breaking free of its cycles and mastering our evolution. Advocating humans have to stop evolving and quit their path of discovery, of understanding the planet and the universe IS ANTI-SCIENTIFIC and, by all accounts, A RETROCESS. What humans have to do is to learn from past mistakes and to keep moving forward, instead of drowning in this improductive mentality of navel contemplation, of self-guilt which runs contrary to the first law of nature itself: to learn each time more, to increase your knowledge further and further about yourself, the world and the universe so you can increase your odds of SURVIVAL.

 

If it is true then why if you take out human, the world will be in balance and harmony? Like i mentioned above human is at the top of food chain, we can consume everything. Human is not like animals who only feed certain things, no, we can eat everything. By that alone we are indeed "virus" or "cancer" to the earth, and by that alone showing we are not a product of evolution. We are from somewhere else, not earth.

 

Our skin cannot tolerate earth weather, our babies are weak when born, that's why we need clothing, even the most primitive human who live today wear pants because we cannot be simply naked. Wearing pants is not just for modesty, it is because our genital don't have protection, not like animals. Our feet is flat making our movement limited, and our feet is so fragile that's why we need shoes, not like animals. Human cannot survive the earth by our biology alone, not like animals, means we are not from earth.

 

Human change earth, change the nature to survive, that's anti-evolution...we cut down trees to make tools, home and weapons, we break stones, digging the ground for minerals and making tools, we change the very environment we live on to survive and we did that for a very long time. WE BURN THINGS TO GET WARM AND COOKING.

 

We breed and breed without season, there is no mating season for human, we breed everyday, 24/7, every seconds. If there is no such law, religion, culture that prohibit free sex, human just breed and breed, uncontrollably, multiply like virus. And we consume everything on earth. So yes, human and virus is so much in common. Wer pollute the earth by our existence alone....

[Bayonet Hipshot]

If it is true then why if you take out human, the world will be in balance and harmony? Like i mentioned above human is at the top of food chain, we can consume everything. Human is not like animals who only feed certain things, no, we can eat everything. By that alone we are indeed "virus" or "cancer" to the earth, and by that alone showing we are not a product of evolution. We are from somewhere else, not earth.

 

Our skin cannot tolerate earth weather, our babies are weak when born, that's why we need clothing, even the most primitive human who live today wear pants because we cannot be simply naked. Wearing pants is not just for modesty, it is because our genital don't have protection, not like animals. Our feet is flat making our movement limited, and our feet is so fragile that's why we need shoes, not like animals. Human cannot survive the earth by our biology alone, not like animals, means we are not from earth.

 

Human change earth, change the nature to survive, that's anti-evolution...we cut down trees to make tools, home and weapons, we break stones, digging the ground for minerals and making tools, we change the very environment we live on to survive and we did that for a very long time. WE BURN THINGS TO GET WARM AND COOKING.

 

We breed and breed without season, there is no mating season for human, we breed everyday, 24/7, every seconds. If there is no such law, religion, culture that prohibit free sex, human just breed and breed, uncontrollably, multiply like virus. And we consume everything on earth. So yes, human and virus is so much in common. Wer pollute the earth by our existence alone....

 

Humans do all this because we lucked out in the evolution game. Given that other species of animals demonstrate the capacity for making tools, using tools, communicating via complex language and forming societies, it follows to reason that if there are any other species that lucked out the same way Humans did with our brain-to-body mass ration, they would have done the same. I find it really fascinating how people forget that humans are, for all intents and purposes, the fifth ape with some moar brains.

[ModernAcademic]

I'm not sure that's a good example. First, you have to accept the Architect's word that he wasn't responsible about the attack. It's not as if he didn't use the captured Wardens for his experiments, and his own notes in the lab say he did a similar thing to Velanna's Dalish group (by the way, another crime to add to the list). And then there's that little detail about him kidnapping our very PC.

 

Even without knowing what he did in the prequel book (and now the suspicions he was one of the Seven High Priests, 'the Architect of Love', who breached the Golden City and brought the Taint to Thedas), the Architect could be sentenced to death in several countries today, nevermind a medieval setting. And given that the PC decides his final fate, they will also decide if Justice's opinion is just or unjust. "Error of judgement" can't be claimed when you agree with him, after all.

 

True, the Architect could be lying. Without further evidence from the DLC he wasn't, the Warden can't know for sure. No argument there.

 

As for the Wardens, he states they were already dead. He claims he used no live people for his experiments. Again, we depend on his word.

 

I confess I don't recall the notes on Velanna's group. I do recall, though, that Seranni formed an odd sort of bond with the Disciples.

 

He also apologises for kidnapping the Warden and locking him/her up.

 

 

 

What he says in his defense is that he sent the Withered to ask you for help. Help to stop the Mother. Also, that he's rarely able to judge how the Warden and his kind will react. So it's no wonder there were serious misunderstandings.

 

Further proof he wasn't ill-intended is that he sent a Disciple to warn you of the Mother's plans for your fortress. He took a great risk, for you could simply kill one of his Disciples. It was an act of diplomacy, something unexpected from someone who was intent on deceiving your Warden.

 

Now, the Mother's a threat to both the Wardens and the Architect. And if you accept to make a deal with the Architect, he does help you with his magic during the fight against her. And he keeps his promise to never bother your Warden again.

 

So he's a character that keeps his word and that has made at least one attempt we know of to contact the Warden and help him/her. As a player, I'd say that tells me a lot about his true character. He's no liar. He doesn't want to antagonize you. He can't be blindly trusted, however, because he messes up (out of ignorance). But he didn't lure you into a trap or lie about the mistakes he commited, even when he could to save face.  

 

He's a pretty polemic character, though, so there's not much point discussing his true alignment. Depending on the player, he's either innocent or guilty, an enlightened darkspawn or a clever amoral monster that must be slain.

[LightningPoodle]

If it is true then why if you take out human, the world will be in balance and harmony? Like i mentioned above human is at the top of food chain, we can consume everything. Human is not like animals who only feed certain things, no, we can eat everything. By that alone we are indeed "virus" or "cancer" to the earth, and by that alone showing we are not a product of evolution. We are from somewhere else, not earth.
 
Our skin cannot tolerate earth weather, our babies are weak when born, that's why we need clothing, even the most primitive human who live today wear pants because we cannot be simply naked. Wearing pants is not just for modesty, it is because our genital don't have protection, not like animals. Our feet is flat making our movement limited, and our feet is so fragile that's why we need shoes, not like animals. Human cannot survive the earth by our biology alone, not like animals, means we are not from earth.
 
Human change earth, change the nature to survive, that's anti-evolution...we cut down trees to make tools, home and weapons, we break stones, digging the ground for minerals and making tools, we change the very environment we live on to survive and we did that for a very long time. WE BURN THINGS TO GET WARM AND COOKING.
 
We breed and breed without season, there is no mating season for human, we breed everyday, 24/7, every seconds. If there is no such law, religion, culture that prohibit free sex, human just breed and breed, uncontrollably, multiply like virus. And we consume everything on earth. So yes, human and virus is so much in common. Wer pollute the earth by our existence alone....

What the ****...?

[Qis]

Humans do all this because we lucked out in the evolution game. Given that other species of animals demonstrate the capacity for making tools, using tools, communicating via complex language and forming societies, it follows to reason that if there are any other species that lucked out the same way Humans did with our brain-to-body mass ration, they would have done the same. I find it really fascinating how people forget that humans are, for all intents and purposes, the fifth ape with some moar brains.

 

Evolution Theory is a hoax, to cover up the truth that we are not from the earth, we are from somewhere else, we colonize earth. Human show nothing that suggest being a product of evolution. It just make believe by evolutionists, a fairy tale. Human biology don't show anything that it was build to suit the nature, we just don't belong here, we change the world just to live. We use our brain to change everything surround us to suit us, not the other way, to survive...that's not evolution. It is human nature, we are originally as we were from some place other than earth, we come here and we colonize....

 

That's why our literature always talk about the monster side of human, how human dominate, colonize, consume...talk about human greed, lust of power, human ability to destroy...it is a reminder to us human, we remind ourselves about the monster within, the monster that is not even animal....so we have Elves, Dwarves, Dragons, Djinns, Spirits, even talking animals and plants talk about how a monster human is in literature around the world...we know we just simply belong here and we know other creatures see us as monsters

[LightningPoodle]

You serious?

[Lunatica]

You serious?

Humans reached the earth from space reptilians Illuminati confirmed it.

[The Hierophant]

Evolution Theory is a hoax, to cover up the truth that we are not from the earth, we are from somewhere else, we colonize earth. Human show nothing that suggest being a product of evolution. It just make believe by evolutionists, a fairy tale. Human biology don't show anything that it was build to suit the nature, we just don't belong here, we change the world just to live. We use our brain to change everything surround us to suit us, not the other way, to survive...that's not evolution. It is human nature, we are originally as we were from some place other than earth, we come here and we colonize....

 

That's why our literature always talk about the monster side of human, how human dominate, colonize, consume...talk about human greed, lust of power, human ability to destroy...it is a reminder to us human, we remind ourselves about the monster within, the monster that is not even animal....so we have Elves, Dwarves, Dragons, Djinns, Spirits, even talking animals and plants talk about how a monster human is in literature around the world...we know we just simply belong here and we know other creatures see us as monsters

OMG, Qistina long time no see! How have you been?