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[CoM Solaufein]

Humans were created by aliens long ago. https://en.wikipedia...aria_Sitchin  

https://en.wikipedia...ich_von_Däniken

[CoM Solaufein]

[Patricia08]

Because, Patricia, Ill can have a laugh... unlike some people it seems.

 

I just don't see the destruction of an entire species as funny even if they are fantasy creatures and oh i laugh a lot to but just not about your posts here. 

[Qis]

Humans reached the earth from space reptilians Illuminati confirmed it.

 

Major religions said human are created outside earth..."Garden of Eden", "Heaven", other plane of existence before being sent down to earth. In fact the word "Man" is originally Sanskrit "Manu", and "Adam" was in Sanskrit text "Adama", that exist long before The Bible and the Quran. SEA peoples call "Human" as "Manusia"...Manu--->Man--->Manusia, means this is very ancient word, the a very word where human known as MAN

 

Of course it is religion, therefore it is a belief, and not science, but we can also look at historical point of view, large part of human on earth share the very same belief, and Sanskrit is the oldest and large part of the world influenced by it. The belief about Adam and Eve creation do not start with Christianity (or Abrahamic religion), it is long before that. So the point is, historically and linguistically, even English people called human a MAN derived from the Sanskrit Manu, and SEA people call human Manusia, derived from the same word.

 

Evolution Theory only focus on biology, and making assumptions, theories, speculation based on biological processes and observation, it is NOT accurate, human history is not biology, it is beyond science.

 

In the end it is just what you want to believe in, you may believe human sprung from an organism and evolved, or human was created by a supreme power, or human are just virtual images in a hologram world, believe what you will...the truth is stranger than fiction.

[Nixou]

How so? Is my wanting to eliminate an inferior "fantasy" race too much for y'all? It's not like I want to eliminate a real life group of people. I'm not masking any hatred towards real people. I just hate elves and I want to see them all on spikes.

 

 I'm not a bad person: I'd never advocate the genocide of oppressed ethnic minorities in meatspace; I just want to see slaughtered the fictional group of people who are clearly meant as a metaphor for the very oppressed ethnic minorities I totally do not want to exterminate.

 

Pollution of Humans ? Shouldn't it be superiority of Humans because Human genetics trump Elven genetics since when an Elf and a Human copulate, the resulting offspring is always Human.

 

Dominant and recessive genes does not mean "superior" and "inferior" genes: seriously: who was you high school biology teacher? Hideo Kojima?

 

Ewww... My favourite animal... tainted. 

 

Coydogs-wolves hybrids are actually much more fit than straight up wolves: thanks to their wolves ancestors, they are larger and much stronger than coyotes, can hunt as easily in forest as in open areas, and from the dog branch of their ancestry, they inherited the lack of fear of humans and city noises as well as the capacity to digest our starch-rich food, allowing them settle near human farms and human cities and forage for all the stuff we discard: they are basically the Blades of the Canis genus: they got all the strengths of the different subspecies with none of the drawback, and they are colonizing our world with imperious ease: Struggle is an illusion, there is nothing to struggle against: victory already belongs to the pooches.

 

 

The dinosaurs managed to survive for  millions of years and were apparently killed by a meteorite.

Do you honestly think that this  humanity will endure for millions of years?I doubt we will reach  the 3000

 

 

 

The Dinosaurs weren't a single species: they were a clade.

Mammals have dominated the niche once owned by the Dinosaurs pretty much since their extinction: even if humanity disappears, our four legged cousins will most probably continue to dominate the globe as they have for the last 60 million years.

[Ghost Gal]

I was mulling this over again today.    The Dalish lore generally has some degree of truth in it.    Fen'Harel did lock their gods away and he was spitefully pleased to have done so, as they claim, but their lore missed out the bit about them killing Mythal.   The elves were once all magical and immortal but it was the actions of Fen'Harel in raising the Veil that deprived them of this, not contact with the humans.     So why did they think this was the case?    Clearly their was some vague racial memory of contact with the humans having a bad effect on the elves beyond the introduction of diseases, which would have been traumatic in itself.

 

Initially I thought the whole story of elves being the original inhabitants of Thedas until humans came along, some unknown illness caused them to age and die in huge numbers, then humans conquering them and taking their land was meant to be a parallel to Native Americans and European settlers.

 

Now that we've gone deeper and learned what really happened, I don't think the elves suspected humans being the cause out of racism, as others suggest. I think it was out of panic, and trying to figure out what suddenly changed. The elves were immortal for ages, then one day they suddenly started aging and dying. They were probably scared and desperate, and frantically trying to figure out what happened. "We've been immortal for ages! Why did we suddenly start aging? What's different now from before?" And the only thing that had changed recently, that they knew of, was that humans were around. Yes, while humans had been on Thedas for centuries by the time the elves started aging, to the long-lived elves it probably felt like just a few days or weeks.

 

Your people are immortal for ages, then these short-lived people suddenly arrived, you live with them for a while, interacting, intermarrying, and interbreeding with them, then suddenly you start aging and dying at the same rate as them?

 

While this is a leap in logic, I can see where it would seem to make sense to people who're now terrified and desperate for answers. It's like if you've always been healthy, then a dog with a wet cough comes your house, and you enjoy playing with it and living with it for a while, then one day you also develop a wet cough. I know correlation does not equal causation, but I can see where it would seem that way to people scared and desperate; who suddenly started aging after a eternity of being immortal. (I imagine they felt like Mother Gothel after Rapunzel's hair was cut; or the Last Unicorn after she was put in a mortal's body. "My body is dying! I can feel it rotting all around me!")

[ModernAcademic]

In fact the word "Man" is originally Sanskrit "Manu", and "Adam" was in Sanskrit text "Adama", that exist long before The Bible and the Quran. SEA peoples call "Human" as "Manusia"...Manu--->Man--->Manusia, means this is very ancient word, the a very word where human known as MAN

 

Of course it is religion, therefore it is a belief, and not science, but we can also look at historical point of view, large part of human on earth share the very same belief, and Sanskrit is the oldest and large part of the world influenced by it. The belief about Adam and Eve creation do not start with Christianity (or Abrahamic religion), it is long before that. So the point is, historically and linguistically, even English people called human a MAN derived from the Sanskrit Manu, and SEA people call human Manusia, derived from the same word.

 

She's right in those points. Even the name of our planet comes from the old Babylonian word for earth: Eridu, one of the first human cities to exist (in German, the word for Earth is Erda, also very close) and one of the birthplaces of civilisation.

 

I don't know about man not coming from Earth, I may personally find it very hard to believe, but at least I understand where that notion is coming from. There is a hypothesis I once read in a magazine that life in our solar system could've originated on Mars. And that some analysis from Martian soil said there was evidence of it being impregnated with some radiation residue. Possibly a nuclear conflict that happened millions of years ago?

This possibility of a nuclear disaster followed by the first men's migration to Earth is a very wild hypothesis - more of a philosophical speculation of sorts than an actual scientific hypothesis -, with little to no evidence to support it, but it is a hypothesis anyway. And it's up to NASA and other space research organisations to conduct empirical tests in search of answers that bring us closer to the factual truth. 

 

Meanwhile, there's no problem in discussing those issues. The origin of life on Earth spawns a lot of questions and theories, after all.

[Reznore57]

We don't know when the stories of human being responsible for elves loosing humanity first surfaced.

We learn this because it's one of the Dalish belief , but between the creation of the veil and the Dalish ...there was a first war between Tevinter and elves resulting in almost all elves being enslaved and their culture destroyed.Then they got freed , built some country for themselves in the Dales , got again in some war with humans , culture got destroyed all over again etc...

 

Also the Dalish are unaware of the creation of the veil , so that knowledge was lost at some point .I doubt it happened right away unless the ancient elves were imbecile.Their whole empire crumbled , access to Eluvians were shot down , their Gods were MIA , if they didn't notice the veil the spirits who were part of their civilization would have etc...

 

So I don't think there's any deep revelation there , just the elves after thousand of years lost the knowledge of the creation of the veil and the fact that they doomed their own empire , and the humans who were the ennemy in recent history were the perfect boogymen to fill the gap.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Evolution Theory is a hoax, to cover up the truth that we are not from the earth, we are from somewhere else, we colonize earth. Human show nothing that suggest being a product of evolution. It just make believe by evolutionists, a fairy tale.

 

And our close genetic relationship to the other great apes? The genetic links between humans and, well, every other lifeform on the planet, for that matter? The extensive fossil records of our ancestors? There are many, many things about human biology that are obviously the product of evolution, from our tail bones to our left over fur. Keep in mind we kept evolving after we started using tools, accounting for our relatively useless teeth and claws. For that matter, our species is evolving right now as I type this. It's a process, not a destination.

 

(No, I don't know why I'm bothering to argue about this, either.)

[Gervaise]

The attitude of the Dalish is understandable given their history.   What I am trying to focus on is there was in fact a much older prejudice against contact with everyone in the outside world but certainly with humans.

 

The settlement in Arlathan Forest was as aggressive towards intruders as the settlement in the Arbor Wilds.    Yet the former could not simply have been sleeping for centuries and then waking up when they sensed intruders because of the huge number of elves that were allegedly enslaved after fleeing from its destruction.    Surely these were not just the awakened ancient elves but also their descendant who had been born post-Veil?     This seems borne out by the memories of Abelas down south.   The ancient text (which you can only read if you drink) has him recounting how those born pre-Veil are "trapped" in the material world, whilst those "born here do not understand the keenness of what we have lost".   What was true in the Arbor Wilds must have been true elsewhere.    They may even be other old elven settlements on the fringes of Thedas that shun all contact with the outside world and attack when they approach their home.   The Tirashan seems to have one such community.   I would assume that somewhere there must have been a community of Fen'Harel, who likewise went into Uthenera to await his return and from which Felassan (and likely other agents) set out to spy out the land and set things up when his return was imminent. 

 

However, when Arlathan Forest fell, the elves there fled to the sanctuary of the dwarves at Cad'Halash, which would suggest that even if they did not engage in much contact with them generally, they knew about it and that they could expect to receive a favourable reception.     So it would seem the dwarves of Kal Sharok, who destroyed this Thaig because their allegiance was to Tevinter, had probably fostered relations with the latter because the elves had withdrawn so much from contact with the outside world.     Still, it is clear that the elves in Arlathan Forest were open to the idea of having an alliance with a non-elven race, indeed the elves and dwarves seem to have had good relations for some 1500 years after they came into contact with one another,  yet they didn't give the human envoys from Tevinter so much as a hearing and reacted violently to every human incursion in the forest.   This would suggest that there was some reason why the elves were so anti-human.

 

Now scroll back to the time of the raising of the Veil and the history immediately after it.   There was evidence of humans and elves living together in DAO.   The humans were probably slaves of the elves at that time.   It certainly appears as though Anduril hunted them for sport.   So it is likely that Fen'Harel might equally have helped runaways from human communities as well as elves.    So another reason for antagonism against humans and also why they were linked with losing their immortality is that they were supporters of Fen'Harel, who was responsible for the loss of their gods and in fact their loss of immortality.    When the empire fell to chaos after the loss of the gods, it was the humans who had been mostly closely connected with them who probably benefitted because they started scooping up elven artefacts, using them and learning from them while the elves were otherwise engaged, even if it was only that the elves had entered uthenera to await the return of their gods, while the humans had not.    

 

I think the archives in Tevinter will have some record of what occurred.   I think part of the reason that the ancient Tevinter were initially so reluctant to attack Arlathan Forest was that they were well aware of the sort of magic the elves had previously been capable of since their ancestors had used it to found their empire and they really didn't want to risk antagonising them.    In fact it is clear that at the height of the Tevinter Imperium they were unable to actually conquer this settlement by subduing it and the only way they achieved victory was simply burying it.    Then again, if they did that, how come there were so many survivors?   May be the Tevinter only claimed to have sunk it themselves but actually the elves did it in order to stop whatever was there from falling into Tevinter hands.

[Qis]

And our close genetic relationship to the other great apes? The genetic links between humans and, well, every other lifeform on the planet, for that matter? The extensive fossil records of our ancestors? There are many, many things about human biology that are obviously the product of evolution, from our tail bones to our left over fur. Keep in mind we kept evolving after we started using tools, accounting for our relatively useless teeth and claws. For that matter, our species is evolving right now as I type this. It's a process, not a destination.

 

(No, I don't know why I'm bothering to argue about this, either.)

 

Well, if want to look at creationism belief, MAN created from clay, the essence of physical body of a man is clay, clay come from earth. But man do not created on earth, created somewhere else. And according to creationist belief, MAN are not created FOR earth, only being sent down to earth for reason, as punishment and/or a test. By mean, human are not fit to live on earth, but forced to, unlike animals and plants, that's why animals and plants have no problem at all living on earth, only human who need many things just to survive this planet. And again, if the Evolution Theory is true, then why it is human who change environment to survive and not the other way? Animals and plants do not change environment, they live as they were for millions of years, in a cycle, in balance. Only human change the environment since we arrived on this planet...

 

Just look at yourself, can you live naked, without any tools and without change anything? Just try it to prove you evolve to fit your environment, sure you can't, it is you who change your environment to fit you, not the other way. That's not evolution.

 

Go back to what is evolution by it's definition, and compare yourself with that definition...

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

I would've offered my perspectives of these issues of our historical disparities but I've already done that on another thread.

[GoldenGail3]

I don't think it's a pollution of 'humans' it's more like Humans having no idea how much elves truly messed up in the past.... LOL!

[Qis]

Human portrayed as a bad species is common in any fantasy set up, usually it is the Elves who say such things. Elves being shown as arrogant and almost racist toward most other races, being a perfect master race, immortal and magical. Elves resentment toward human is not new, usually the reason is "human destroy the forest" and it is true, human did destroy the forest, that is how human live. Destroying nature is the main reason why Elves hate human in fantasy world.

 

Usually Elves being portrayed as nature loving creatures, they have magic but they use it to protect the nature, while human are portrayed as power greed, using magic or technology to expand power and destroy everything, Human want to dominate and cannot be in good term with the rest of the races, cannot live in harmony with everything. One of the reason is because human is short lived, not immortal, so why not grab everything before dead?

 

Human lust of power is not unknown, even in real human history is full of carnage and expansion, so bards and story tellers love to expressed the issue by making non-human talk about human exploits in fantasy world, as a reminder. And it become cliche, not only in western fairy tales but most fairy tales in Asia, human are always the bad guys, the forest spirits/jinns/creatures/animals will talk about how bad human is.

 

One of the popular forest spirits in SEA are the "Orang Bunian", they are eastern "Elves", there are a lot of stories about peoples go missing in the forest and get into their world, most stories will mentioned that "Orang Bunian" will not allow them to return to human world and stay with them, usually the local shamans will make rituals making deals for those human to return. But in folklore, there are some human who gain magic or such gift from the Orang Bunian, with some condition, usually it is "do not abuse the gift", but human will break it later anyway, abuse the magic or gift, then "Orang Bunian" will complaint about how human cannot be trusted and always want to abuse power, so it is cliche that human is such a being....

 

Ayway, this is a song in a popular movie sometime ago in Malaysia, about the Orang Bunian (Elves), it is about a hunchback who got driven out by society, end up in Elven community, the Elves make him handsome, strong and charming with a condition that he cannot spill blood, but he kill his enemy in the end, spilling blood, making him cursed into Oil Man monster, going wild and raped many women, causing trouble...then the Elven Elder capture him, imprison him into a bottle...It's a social critic actually..

 

 

That woman is an Elven princess...

[Reznore57]

The attitude of the Dalish is understandable given their history.   What I am trying to focus on is there was in fact a much older prejudice against contact with everyone in the outside world but certainly with humans.
 
The settlement in Arlathan Forest was as aggressive towards intruders as the settlement in the Arbor Wilds.    Yet the former could not simply have been sleeping for centuries and then waking up when they sensed intruders because of the huge number of elves that were allegedly enslaved after fleeing from its destruction.    Surely these were not just the awakened ancient elves but also their descendant who had been born post-Veil?     This seems borne out by the memories of Abelas down south.   The ancient text (which you can only read if you drink) has him recounting how those born pre-Veil are "trapped" in the material world, whilst those "born here do not understand the keenness of what we have lost".   What was true in the Arbor Wilds must have been true elsewhere.    They may even be other old elven settlements on the fringes of Thedas that shun all contact with the outside world and attack when they approach their home.   The Tirashan seems to have one such community.   I would assume that somewhere there must have been a community of Fen'Harel, who likewise went into Uthenera to await his return and from which Felassan (and likely other agents) set out to spy out the land and set things up when his return was imminent.

Well you also have Sundermount ,where the elves made a one last stand .Merrill says they were protecting the elders in Uthenera .

However, when Arlathan Forest fell, the elves there fled to the sanctuary of the dwarves at Cad'Halash, which would suggest that even if they did not engage in much contact with them generally, they knew about it and that they could expect to receive a favourable reception.     So it would seem the dwarves of Kal Sharok, who destroyed this Thaig because their allegiance was to Tevinter, had probably fostered relations with the latter because the elves had withdrawn so much from contact with the outside world.     Still, it is clear that the elves in Arlathan Forest were open to the idea of having an alliance with a non-elven race, indeed the elves and dwarves seem to have had good relations for some 1500 years after they came into contact with one another,  yet they didn't give the human envoys from Tevinter so much as a hearing and reacted violently to every human incursion in the forest.   This would suggest that there was some reason why the elves were so anti-human.

But there's also sign humans and elves were getting along for a time.Rumors humans learned blood magic not from demons but elves.If I remember correctly the elven ruins in DAO showed signs of humans , elves and dwarves working together.In Seheron there's rumors humans learned magic at the feet of elves..
I wouldn't listen too much to Dalish tales and Tevinter.
The Elves are still more than a little annoyed about loosing wars against humans.The Dalish have now a narrative that it was all human faults all along.The Empire destroyed and lost immortality:Human did it!
Well no they didn't.
Tevinter is the same , they forgot along the way their culture and magic was deeply influenced by elven culture.
Once the elves were enslaved , they made a point to erase that very culture.
So I'm not seeing a big obvious point about elves hatred for humans , what I'm seeing is a huge piece of history missing .
Tevinter didn't just fight the elves in Arlathan anyway , like I said there was wars between Tevinter and elves even as far as Sundermount.
It seems Tevinter and what was left of the ancient elven empire went at war against each others across all of Thedas .
 

Now scroll back to the time of the raising of the Veil and the history immediately after it.   There was evidence of humans and elves living together in DAO.   The humans were probably slaves of the elves at that time.   It certainly appears as though Anduril hunted them for sport.   So it is likely that Fen'Harel might equally have helped runaways from human communities as well as elves.    So another reason for antagonism against humans and also why they were linked with losing their immortality is that they were supporters of Fen'Harel, who was responsible for the loss of their gods and in fact their loss of immortality.    When the empire fell to chaos after the loss of the gods, it was the humans who had been mostly closely connected with them who probably benefitted because they started scooping up elven artefacts, using them and learning from them while the elves were otherwise engaged, even if it was only that the elves had entered uthenera to await the return of their gods, while the humans had not.

I don't think humans were around when the veil wasn't there.The ancient elves would have destroyed them finger in the nose and there's zero proof of humans being around.
Andruil hunting "mortals" doesn't mean much , the ancient elves were "mortals" , they could die .

I think the archives in Tevinter will have some record of what occurred.   I think part of the reason that the ancient Tevinter were initially so reluctant to attack Arlathan Forest was that they were well aware of the sort of magic the elves had previously been capable of since their ancestors had used it to found their empire and they really didn't want to risk antagonising them.    In fact it is clear that at the height of the Tevinter Imperium they were unable to actually conquer this settlement by subduing it and the only way they achieved victory was simply burying it.    Then again, if they did that, how come there were so many survivors?   May be the Tevinter only claimed to have sunk it themselves but actually the elves did it in order to stop whatever was there from falling into Tevinter hands.

I think the archive in Tevinter won't say much to be honest.
What I imagined happened is human moved from their home when the veil was created , it probably disturbed something in their way of life .
They land as refugee in Thedas and met the survivors of the elven empire.
They probably got along just fine for a couple of centuries , at least until Tevinter started to catch up with magic and the likes ...My theory is humans didn't have magic in their bloodline until they started doing the dance without pants with the elves , and humans babies with an elven parent started to pop up.
I imagine the elves who wanted to rebuild their empire weren't happy , and the humans wanted more of that magical elven blood .The humans went as far as creating class depending on that elven blood and tried to keep the breeding between gifted humans under close scrutinity ...explaining the altus and their obsession about genealogy and breeding among themselves.
They also enslaved the elves because they wanted to have sex with them , again explaining the creepy sex between favored slaved and magisters , and also the elves are an object of desire for humans.
Once the elves were defeated and enslaved , Tevinter destroyed their culture and started to deny until their dying breath everything elven related beyond we arrived , we conquered .

[Aren]

 

 

 

 

The Dinosaurs weren't a single species: they were a clade.

Mammals have dominated the niche once owned by the Dinosaurs pretty much since their extinction: even if humanity disappears, our four legged cousins will most probably continue to dominate the globe as they have for the last 60 million years.

Long live to mammals then.

but without that meteorite they wouldn't have gone that far.

[Aren]

Initially I thought the whole story of elves being the original inhabitants of Thedas until humans came along, some unknown illness caused them to age and die in huge numbers, then humans conquering them and taking their land was meant to be a parallel to Native Americans and European settlers.

 

Now that we've gone deeper and learned what really happened, I don't think the elves suspected humans being the cause out of racism, as others suggest. I think it was out of panic, and trying to figure out what suddenly changed. The elves were immortal for ages, then one day they suddenly started aging and dying. They were probably scared and desperate, and frantically trying to figure out what happened. "We've been immortal for ages! Why did we suddenly start aging? What's different now from before?" And the only thing that had changed recently, that they knew of, was that humans were around. Yes, while humans had been on Thedas for centuries by the time the elves started aging, to the long-lived elves it probably felt like just a few days or weeks.

 

Your people are immortal for ages, then these short-lived people suddenly arrived, you live with them for a while, interacting, intermarrying, and interbreeding with them, then suddenly you start aging and dying at the same rate as them?

 

While this is a leap in logic, I can see where it would seem to make sense to people who're now terrified and desperate for answers. It's like if you've always been healthy, then a dog with a wet cough comes your house, and you enjoy playing with it and living with it for a while, then one day you also develop a wet cough. I know correlation does not equal causation, but I can see where it would seem that way to people scared and desperate; who suddenly started aging after a eternity of being immortal. (I imagine they felt like Mother Gothel after Rapunzel's hair was cut; or the Last Unicorn after she was put in a mortal's body. "My body is dying! I can feel it rotting all around me!")

For one reason or the other the elves forgot that the veil was not present in the past and that's weird because their ancestors should have been able to recognize that the world was changed given how they were connected to the fade

It seem that the elves had a collective historical  nap.

[Reznore57]

For one reason or the other the elves forgot that the veil was not present in the past and that's weird because their ancestors should have been able to recognize that the world was changed given how they were connected to the fade

It seem that the elves had a collective historical  nap.

 

I wonder if Solas made sure almost everyone forget about it.There's way to mindcontrol almost everyone as shown in some comics .

Besides  the veil is partly what kept the Evanuris in check , and the Evanuris still had followers after they went poof , so possible he did something so the story would be burried.

It could be magic or it could be purges , his followers attacking the last remnant of the most fervant Evanuris followers.

I think the temple of Dirthamen was under attack after their God disappeared.

[Gervaise]

To my mind the elves that disappeared were the followers of Fen'Harel.   It seems to me that the Dalish are very much the descendants of the priesthood and nobility who supported the Evanuris; hence their lore being that the Creators were benevolent teachers who were tricked by the treacherous Fen'Harel and shut away, unable to react anymore with the elves, whilst Fen'Harel hugged himself with glee because he now had the Fade to himself.     The only real bit that is missing from their lore is the fact that the Evanuris were tyrants against who Fen'Harel was leading a rebellion.   Yet strangely enough that story does still exist; it resurfaced in the Canticle of Shartan but scholars have noted the similarities between the events in the Canticle and an earlier Dalish legends about a trickster warrior rebelling against tyrants.     This is one of those instances where the Dalish are made to look absolute idiots in that they never made any sort of connection between this folk tale and the trickster Fen'Harel, whereas human scholars were able to make the connection.   Still it would seem that among the elven slaves populating the Dales, there were those who had inherited the stories handed down by the followers of Fen'Harel rather than the supporters of the Evanuris as they were likely the origin of the tale.

[German Soldier]

I wonder if Solas made sure almost everyone forget about it.There's way to mindcontrol almost everyone as shown in some comics .

Besides  the veil is partly what kept the Evanuris in check , and the Evanuris still had followers after they went poof , so possible he did something so the story would be burried.

It could be magic or it could be purges , his followers attacking the last remnant of the most fervant Evanuris followers.

I think the temple of Dirthamen was under attack after their God disappeared.

I had the impression that Abelas remember that there was no veil...it just happen that we don't know how modern elves spread from ancient elves.

[German Soldier]

To my mind the elves that disappeared were the followers of Fen'Harel.   It seems to me that the Dalish are very much the descendants of the priesthood and nobility who supported the Evanuris; hence their lore being that the Creators were benevolent teachers who were tricked by the treacherous Fen'Harel and shut away, unable to react anymore with the elves, whilst Fen'Harel hugged himself with glee because he now had the Fade to himself.     The only real bit that is missing from their lore is the fact that the Evanuris were tyrants against who Fen'Harel was leading a rebellion.   Yet strangely enough that story does still exist; it resurfaced in the Canticle of Shartan but scholars have noted the similarities between the events in the Canticle and an earlier Dalish legends about a trickster warrior rebelling against tyrants.     This is one of those instances where the Dalish are made to look absolute idiots in that they never made any sort of connection between this folk tale and the trickster Fen'Harel, whereas human scholars were able to make the connection.   Still it would seem that among the elven slaves populating the Dales, there were those who had inherited the stories handed down by the followers of Fen'Harel rather than the supporters of the Evanuris as they were likely the origin of the tale.

Th Evanuris were tyrants according to Solas but it may be that the elves of priesthood and nobility liked that system and didn't considered them tyrants.you don't have to believe anything that SOlas says in the same perspective of the character.

Before the Evanuris there were terrible magical wars between the elves and there was no unification with them all the lands were united and there were no more wars at least like the one of the pre-Evanuris world between elves.

[IllustriousT]

Humans/Elf Pollution

 

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Not really sure what happened here. 

[thats1evildude]

Humans/Elf Pollution

 

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Not really sure what happened here. 

 

You see the same thing with the dwarves in Emprise. It's obviously a bug. Or red lyrium.

[Vit246]

Humans/Elf Pollution

 

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Not really sure what happened here. 

 

See this is why elves must not breed with shemlen. You get more stinking shemlen in the world and you make abominations and affronts to nature like this.

[Gervaise]

I agree that you don't have to believe everything Solas says about the Evanuris but my point was that naturally the people who would remember them most fondly would be those that benefitted the most from their rule.     The majority of ordinary elves probably liked the stability provided by their overlords but their most enthusiastic supporters would be the ones at the top of the social hierarchy who got the most benefits.

 

However, the old folktale shows that Solas probably did have a fair number of followers, who kept alive the story of their struggle by tactfully omitting the name of the trickster warrior.    It was this tale that Shartan probably used to inspire his followers into rebelling against the Imperium, which is how it came to be associated with his name.  

 

I wonder if the idea that elves needed to keep themselves separate from humans may have originally been a command by the Evanuris.   As has been suggested, there may have been relations between elves and humans initially, particularly among the lower classes.    Initially this might have been encouraged because it resulted in more human servants/slaves but then it was discovered that whilst they looked human, they had inherited their elven parent's magical nature, at which point it was prohibited because the last thing the Evanuris and their nobility wanted was the possibility of a challenge to their superiority and something about these magical humans made them view them as a threat.

 

Humans definitely arrived before the Veil was raised, otherwise there was no real reason why they should have been connected with the Quickening.