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[Jedi Master of Orion]

Well, this thread is officially terribad.

Poor OP. You knew not what was to come.

 

The Cycle cannot be broken.

[Macha'Anu]

The fact that the Dalish needed to blame another people for their own misfortune and adopt a xenophobic lifestyle is very significant. They weren't sure of the reason why Arlathan disappeared, but were quick to blame another race all the same. They made up the excuses they needed to justify their hatred of humans when in fact, humans never had anything to do with the downfall of their civilization.

 

The Dalish can't even conceive their forefathers were slavers or enslaved by their own kind.

 

This is why I don't like elves in DA. One disaster happens and it's all another race's fault? "Let's hate someone else instead of trying to figure out what was OUR responsibilty in our own misery"? It's more convenient to blame whoever is doing fine today than examine the true reasons as to why we're in this sh**hole? What kind of logic is this? 

 

And where's all that hatred coming from? The Dalish live in the middle of NOWHERE, in deep forests and other places humans are rarely seen. Why such intolerance toward other races? Whatever did anyone do to generate such a negative response? And what about Solas arrogantly belittling Varric by calling him Child of the Stone all the time? If you call someone a child, you don't respect them, because you consider them to be less than an adult in your eyes. 

 

Is Solas a model of how elves from Arlathan used to think and behave? That they believed they alone were better than every other race in Thedas and felt entitled to humiliate them and act superior? Then the elves are a racist, xenophobic race, with nothing that marks them as better or superior. There's no enlightened philosophy, no rich past to recover. Just a racist people who ultimately destroyed themselves and whose survivors carried on the same unfortunate genetic legacy of megalomania and unjustified hatred toward other peoples.

 

Just remember how the Dalish refused to help Orlais stop the second Blight, even after the empire had generously granted them the right to live in their lands...it was the elves who chose to turn their back as the darkspawn ravaged the human villages. Now they weep and complain humans hate them. From where I'm standing, humans aren't the pollution. It's the elven people, with their passive-aggressive speech hellbent on subverting the truth, their constant victimisation and their blatant racism.

The heck are you talking about most of the dalish don't even know the truth yet we know the truth as the players and as the Inquisition but most The Dalish only know what they were taught if they weren't taught any different then it's not that they don't want to face up to their mistakes they didn't make any mistakes they weren't born yet I just want to put that out there and actually regardless of the mistakes The Dalish or the elves made truth is the elves of today are forced to wander in forests or live in slums while the humans live it up now I'm not saying that we should segregate them cuz that's just stupid all I'm saying is the elves were and are treated like Pond scum but the elves of today are at fault I guess for the actions of one elf or 8 idk anymore.  I do think the elves should be given some of the land back as it's kind of obvious that a lot of the land belonged to the elves hello Elven murals and statues. But let's be honest it's time for the people of thedas to grow up be adults and learn how to live together. The way some are just throwing the word racism around so loosely there's people here who act like only one side or the other are racist. news flash. They're all racist. Every single race in thedas has something horrible to say about every other race they have some disgusting name for each other whatever so please stop pretending like the elves are the only racist or the humans are the only racist because it's delusional.

[Gervaise]

I agree that everyone in Thedas is racist.    I'd also point out the reason the Dalish live out in the wilds is not simply because they are racist but because they don't want to conform to the sort of life the humans would force upon them.    They do in fact indulge in trade with humans to get the things they cannot make for themselves.   It is also emphasised in game that the Dalish can vary from clan to clan as to how hostile they are towards humans.   The Keeper in Masked Empire and his clan seem to be at one end of the extreme; whilst clan Lavellan are probably at the other.    Gisharel, often quoted in lore about elves, was apparently in favour of sharing their culture with human scholars in order to foster greater understanding and respect for it.    Other more isolationist Dalish criticised him for his stance and held a deep anger against him because of it.   Warden Mahariel's father (in DAO not WoT2) had apparently advocated studying human society as they might learn something from it.    Mahariel's mother's clan would seem to have disapproved of him because of this.   So it would be wrong to make generalisations of the Dalish as they do vary from clan to clan.

 

It seems likely that the Dalish have inherited traditions passed down by the followers of the Evanuris rather than those of Solas.   Why this should be is unclear.   The fact is though that it is not their fault if they have a rather rose tinted view of their ancestors.    If Solas had really wanted things to be better for the freed elves, perhaps he should have stayed around and helped them, rather than recoiling in horror at what he had done to them and going to sleep for thousands of years.    Clearly the memories of how humans had affected their fate were a combination of what occurred at the raising of the Veil (loss of magic and immortality) and what occurred at the fall of Arlathan, when the majority of elves were enslaved by Tevinter.       Whilst the humans were not responsible for the former, centuries of ill treatment at the hands of their Tevinter masters would have reinforced the idea that they were.      Humans were around at the time the Veil was raised (at least that is how it appears from the Timeline in World of Thedas).   Their rise to power thereafter was on the back of the crumbling elven civilisation.    This was also an idea that the Tevinter promoted themselves; it was a matter of pride to the Magisters that they had proved more powerful than the mighty elven empire and would have kept rubbing that fact into their slaves as they forbade their language and culture to them.   So the resentment against humans was to a great extent encouraged by those humans.

 

Finally, the bit about the  fall of the Dales.    The history of Red Crossing we find in game only reinforces the idea of tensions rising between the two communities.     It was not the reason for the full scale war that occurred.   That seemed far more down to the elves marching on Val Royeaux itself.    Why did they do this?    Ameridan gives some of the answer; the Dalish thought that the rising empire of Orlais was no better than Tevinter.       Drakon was an expansionist on the back his claim to be spreading the Chant.   There were several other places where he drove out the darkspawn, only to claim the territory for Orlais.     He wiped out the cult of the Daughters of Song, because they didn't conform to his idea of the correct worship of the Maker, and these were just an inoffensive fertility cult, which incidentally the original Inquisition clearly had had no problem with.   So the leaders in the Dales might well have heard of these facts and thought it best to attack the source of the aggression (they nearly succeeded).  

 

As for the incident with Montsimmard.   The Chantry would obviously have made much of the fact that the Dalish stood by and did nothing.   However, it is clear from Last Flight that the Wardens themselves would withdraw from conflict if a situation seemed hopeless rather than waste resources in fruitless battle.   If the Dalish were watching as Montsimmard was being overrun, that would suggest they had marched there to try and help but realised they had arrived too late.    At that point it would be better to hold the line to prevent the spread of the darkspawn eastwards, rather than pile in and get killed in the process.     There is also the fact that this would have occurred around the time, or just after, Ameridan had been sent to deal with a potential threat from the Avaar in the Frostbacks.  It is highly unlikely he would have left without warning the leadership of the Dales of the possible threat to the south.  Since it would appear that no one made it back to report on what happened, they would assume that the threat still remained.    Another reason not to send all their forces in one direction when they might be needed to shield both the Dales and Orlais from a potential invasion from the south.

 

Most of the history we have been given is in fact filtered through the eyes of the Chantry led human civilisation and is thus biased against those who refused to conform to their edicts.  If you want an example of this, compare the reaction of the Dalish clan and the reaction of the Chantry sister when you give them the information about Red Crossing.    The Chantry sister just retains her bigoted view of events and who was responsible; the Dalish want to make a peace offering as a way of building bridges and showing remorse for the past.   Both sides were to blame and I think the differing reaction of their descendants says it all about how history will have been twisted by the victors.  

[sniper_arrow]

It seems likely that the Dalish have inherited traditions passed down by the followers of the Evanuris rather than those of Solas.   Why this should be is unclear.   The fact is though that it is not their fault if they have a rather rose tinted view of their ancestors.    If Solas had really wanted things to be better for the freed elves, perhaps he should have stayed around and helped them, rather than recoiling in horror at what he had done to them and going to sleep for thousands of years.    Clearly the memories of how humans had affected their fate were a combination of what occurred at the raising of the Veil (loss of magic and immortality) and what occurred at the fall of Arlathan, when the majority of elves were enslaved by Tevinter.       Whilst the humans were not responsible for the former, centuries of ill treatment at the hands of their Tevinter masters would have reinforced the idea that they were.      Humans were around at the time the Veil was raised (at least that is how it appears from the Timeline in World of Thedas).   Their rise to power thereafter was on the back of the crumbling elven civilisation.    This was also an idea that the Tevinter promoted themselves; it was a matter of pride to the Magisters that they had proved more powerful than the mighty elven empire and would have kept rubbing that fact into their slaves as they forbade their language and culture to them.   So the resentment against humans was to a great extent encouraged by those humans.

 

Regarding about the followers of Solas, it is possible that they have resented him due to the Veil and the aftermath. They may have realized that leader/savior did more damage to them than they were told, hence the propaganda and birth of the Dread Wolf legend. Another possible explanation is that the followers of the Evanuris slaughtered or killed the remaining members of Team Solas. 

 

As for Solas himself, his guilt overwhelmed him to the point that any rational reasoning to spare Thedas will be useless. Sure, he can be convinced, but he seems focused on bringing down the Veil no matter what. Also, don't forget that he views the present world as a 'tranquil' state.

[Shechinah]

I have a solution for elves to have stability and independence from human influence by setting up a treaty.

- Give the elves the Emerald Graves and The Arbor Wilds and have all human settlers evicted, and all elves evicted from human cities all over Thedas to live in the lands with the elven community.

-The Imperium and all human nations will compensate the elves for their disparites and slavery as reparations.

-The Chantry and human settlers are not allowed to settle in elven territory nor the Chantry will have missionaries.

-They will only ally with Grey Wardens and human nations to fight the darkspawn and to trade.
-No human religion teachings
-If an elf is having relationship with a human he/she is automatically exiled to keep the peace.
-If a human entered their territory to harass, attempt to start a war, disturbing the peace, or any kind of crime against the elves will be dealt with in the elves discretion.

So I have some questions: why should the elves be forced to leave as oppose to being given the choice? What about elves with human families? What about those with human children? The children are human and so would not be allowed in this land: are their parents forced to leave them?

 

What about the elves that don't want to leave? Do they have to march across countries and seas despite not wanting to and being likely to turn around and go home? Can they even march home? If they are no longer allowed to live in their villages and cities, does this mean they have to be homeless?

 

Do the elves have to worship the faith of the Dalish as oppose to being able to choose their own faith or even choose not to keep a faith? What if they want to worship a Rivaini religion? What if it becomes known that Ameridan worshipped both the Creators pantheon and the Maker during the time of the Dales? Are they allowed to worship his hybrid faith? What if the elves learn about the Evanuris? Do they have to worship people who allowed slavery and demanded blood sacrifices?

 

How much influence are the elves going to have on their society? What if a majority decide to adopt a different foreign policy than isolationism? What if they want to allow immigration of non-elves? What if they want to change laws that forbids other religious worship or remove the punishment for interracial relationships? Speaking of which, is the relationship ban solely on relationships with humans or does the ban extend to other races like the qunari and dwarves?

[Sifr]

Well, this thread is officially terribad.

Poor OP. You knew not what was to come.

 

Aye, glad the mods did a clean-up, it got a tad contentious.

 

(Also saves me having to go back and edit one post I wasn't really happy with)

[Nixou]

Well, this thread is officially terribad.

 

 

To be frank, I'm surprised it hasn't already been closed.

 

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Bro, do you even Thedas history? Orlais never owned the Dales and gave it to them. It was Maferath and his sons. There was no Orlais at the time. Their land was their own. Andraste was not Orlesian and she didn't found the Chantry. 

 

 

I wonder if Bioware isn't running a weird kind of social experiment:

"Let's create a complex backstory, then watch how many players misread it, then let's use their misreading as inspiration to create the next batch of bigoted characters and antagonists."

 

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It seems likely that the Dalish have inherited traditions passed down by the followers of the Evanuris rather than those of Solas.   Why this should be is unclear

 

 

Personal Pet Theory Time!

The descendants of Solas' followers are the Altus.

When the Elven Empire collapsed after the erection of the Veil, Solas' followers said "Damn It! we won't fight to preserve the civilization that enslaved us!", left Elvhenan's territories, mingled with the Neromenian tribes who dwelt at the outskirts of the empire, intermarried and had children with them, who became the first dynasties of mages who ended up founding the Tevinter Imperium. Thus, the descendants of the rebel slaves finished their forefathers rebellion by putting the final nail in Arlathan's coffin then enslaved the weakened descendants of Elven nobility: Hurray for Dramatic Irony!

[Tidus]

As far as Dalish and humans.. Don't overlook the humans fear the Dalish and that's why humans kill Dalish on sight. The Dalish doesn't attack human villages but,the humans attack the Dalish camps.

 

The City Elves are beaten,raped and murdered  and nobody even turns a eye or asks why. The CEs try to live in peace with the humans until they are pushed to far and try to rebel and here comes the Kings army to purge the poorly armed and armored Elves..

 

The real villains is the humans because of the hatred and bigotry against the elves spew forth from the Chantry. You hear this nice and clear at Val Royeaux--The Maker would send no Elf!  cried the Mother. She did all she could to rile the people that was gathered there.

 

Maybe its time to destroy the true villain---the Chantry. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I wonder if Bioware isn't running a weird kind of social experiment:

"Let's create a complex backstory, then watch how many players misread it, then let's use their misreading as inspiration to create the next batch of bigoted characters and antagonists."

 

You know now that you mention it, I did sort of feel that the dark futures in Champions of the Just and In Hushed Whispers almost seemed heavily inspired by all BSN requests to commit atrocities in Inquisition, like "I want to torture and purge people!" or "I want to exterminate the Chantry and murder every Andrastian I can find!"

 

At the time I wondered if that was Bioware sending a message in response to that saying "No, sociopaths we aren't catering to your fantasies," but maybe it is a social experiment to inspire the next villains in the series.

[vbibbi]

Are you a secret Eldreth Veluuthra agent?

[Tidus]

Jedi, I agree.. Many want to kill everybody instead of following the story line of the game. These folks would do well to play the shoot 'em up games and just shot everybody they see friend and foe alike or perhaps a nonstop killing game like Diablo...

 

As we all know there are endless baddies to kill in RPGs with to few in your party without killing your group members. Why do they brag about killing their own people or killing innocents?  Some brag about killing Leliana in DA:O while allowing that asp of a man Loghain to live after all he's done.

[Macha'Anu]

As far as Dalish and humans.. Don't overlook the humans fear the Dalish and that's why humans kill Dalish on sight. The Dalish doesn't attack human villages but,the humans attack the Dalish camps.

The City Elves are beaten,raped and murdered and nobody even turns a eye or asks why. The CEs try to live in peace with the humans until they are pushed to far and try to rebel and here comes the Kings army to purge the poorly armed and armored Elves..

The real villains is the humans because of the hatred and bigotry against the elves spew forth from the Chantry. You hear this nice and clear at Val Royeaux--The Maker would send no Elf! cried the Mother. She did all she could to rile the people that was gathered there.

Maybe its time to destroy the true villain---the Chantry.

It's not the chantry alone. People fear what they don't understand and are mostly too ignorant to try and understand it. Dalish remind me of witches in a sense that they are feared because they. 'refuse to conform and that scares them, the humans. It's how the witch trials happened. The real enemy in my mind is ignorance. On both sides.

[Vit246]

 

This is why I don't like elves in DA. One disaster happens and it's all another race's fault? "Let's hate someone else instead of trying to figure out what was OUR responsibilty in our own misery"? It's more convenient to blame whoever is doing fine today than examine the true reasons as to why we're in this sh**hole? What kind of logic is this? 

 

This is a ridiculous standard to hold them to. I'm gonna copy and paste this.

 

Oh yeah, only the Dalish romanticize and idealize their past. No other race or nationality in Thedas does it too. They are all perfectly objective and upfront about everything regarding their past and people except the Dalish. Everyone fully admits to and frequently talks about everything shameful, embarrassing, and amoral about their own cultures except the Dalish. They are the one exception.

 

I mean, it's not like the Chantry idealizes Andraste as this beautiful, peaceful, all-loving maternal healer despite how she was a ruthless warleader in her life. It's not like the Chantry slashed Shartan from the Canticles of Light after relations between humans and elves plummeted, and continue to censure positive mentions of elves in human history. (Like Garahel being all but forgotten as an elf who stopped the 4th Blight.) It's not like Cassandra admits that mages helped her save the Divine's life, but while she got promoted to being the Right Hand of the Divine, they got conveniently phased out of the story; and the conversation makes it clear that this is typical for the Chantry.

 

It's not like the dwarves of Orzammar like to pretend they are still this proud, prosperous, glorious empire filled with honor and reason, despite how they are a slowly decaying ruin in a hole underground filled with corruption, hypocrisy, lying, cheating, backstabbing, and power-grabbing. It's not like they are a culture that feels the appearance of honor is more important than actual honorable behavior. 

 

It's not like Tevinter downplays their involvement in the creation of the darkspawn. It's not like they created their own Chantry with their own Divine, their own Templars, and their own Circle system that happens to support their own ideals and lifestyle, instead of keeping with the one that gets in the way of their power-grabbing magocrasy. It's not like Dorian goes into great detail about how Tevinter would rather pretend they never did anything wrong - pretend they have a perfectly moral reason for everything they do (from enslaving to torturing to murdering to demon-summoning to using blood magic on unwilling recipients), pretend they're still in their glory days and are superior to everyone else - even when the reality doesn't match the ideal.

 

Noooo! It's just the Dalish.

 

They alone cling to past glory after losing everything, and they alone prefer to talk up the positive bits of their people and history but downplay the shameful and embarrassing bits.

 

Clearly, they are the only flawed culture in Thedas, and they alone deserve to be wiped out for it; metaphorically at best, literally at worst.  

 

[Tidus]

Macha, That  ignorance was fuel by Chantry leaders that deliberately taught hate toward a race of people like Elves and mages.. Again listen to the Mother-The maker would send no Elf(or mage)! This comes after she calls the herald a murderer. She did everything to rile the crowd against the herald.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It's not as if she's friendly to non mage humans in that scene.

[ModernAcademic]

But look @ the Dalish elves perspective they have the trauma and painful experience based in hundreds of years of slavery under the Imperium by humans so it causes animosity towards them to refuse to coexist with humans because the evils the Imperium have done to the elves ever since the fall of Arlathan, and I understand why the elves were angry and resenting against humans because they commited brutal genocide upon them. Yes the Ancient Elves brought upon the downfall because the Evanuris obsessed with power, and Solas meant well by sealing them into the Fade by creating a Veil to save his people. But it backfired and that's when the Imperium conquered the elves and forced them into the horrors of slavery and blood sacrifices what they have suffered greatly, so it was the fault of humans who made the elves have animosity and hatred against them because of it. And it was the humans fault who created the darkspawn because of their malevolence and power, and the elves were saying to themselves "Why should we help humans and they have done horrible things to our people and why should we trust them?" Think about it.

 

The Dalish were never enslaved. Only the elves who refused to go live far away from the Imperium. This is why they remained racist and grew xenophobic over the centuries. Elves who were enslaved are afraid of raising their heads against their masters. And like every empire, Tevinter enslaved other peoples as well, from all over Thedas, not just elves. Even mages become slaves once they're shipped to the Imperium. 

 

If you read about Ancient History, you'll be surprised to learn how it was common practice for tribes to enslave their defeated enemies, even sell them to other tribes as payment for services. And since most empires were spawned from tribes who established themselves in city states later on, I'll take an educated guess and say Tevinter's evolution probably followed along those lines.

 

Because Thedas mirrors a lot of the Ancient and Medieval world, I believe this is where the inspiration for Tevinter came from. I wouldn't be surprised if we learned in future installments that the Alamarri and many other ancient tribes had slaves as well.

 

And once Tevinter had become decadent, what did humans do for elves? Gave them a home in the Dales. Allowed them to live on their own terms without forcing them to coexist with humans, so they could preserve what little of their culture they had. Later on, we saw how they repaid Orlais for that act of kindness. Which is why Orlesian nobles turned the hunt for Dalish elves a sport. To repay their blatant betrayal.

 

Also, what civilization served as the foundation for Tevinter's culture, language, magical knowledge, social and economical structure and tradition? 

 

ARLATHAN

 

Even the words of Tevinter vocabulary borrow from Arlathan's own vocabulary.

 

So the forefathers of the human slavers were elven slavers, who also passed along their blood magic to the humans. Remember when Solas talks about the blood sacrifices that Falon'Din demanded from his followers? Looks like the origin of Tevinter's abundant use of blood rituals involving the sacrifice of elven slaves is Arlathan.

 

Looks like it was the elves all along who spawned the use of blood magic in sacrificial rites plus turned slavery into a valid institution in Thedas. Whoops! 

 

Who's a historical victim again?

[Macha'Anu]

Macha, That ignorance was fuel by Chantry leaders that deliberately taught hate toward a race of people like Elves and mages.. Again listen to the Mother-The maker would send no Elf(or mage)! This comes after she calls the herald a murderer. She did everything to rile the crowd against the herald.

Ok. Explain the ignorants who aren't devout andrastian. Who hate elves or dwarves, or humans Sóley on their height or ears or flat out race? These are grown adults who are capable of right and wrong and I won't accept "the chant made me this way" plenty of andrastians who despise the constant slave trading and racism. Sorry. I just can't accept that. Personal responsibility. also the mother said that but in the dawn will come scene many of the priests and lay sister's knelt to that elf. So that tells me that mother speaks for no one but herself

[sniper_arrow]

You know now that you mention it, I did sort of feel that the dark futures in Champions of the Just and In Hushed Whispers almost seemed heavily inspired by all BSN requests to commit atrocities in Inquisition, like "I want to torture and purge people!" or "I want to exterminate the Chantry and murder every Andrastian I can find!"

 

At the time I wondered if that was Bioware sending a message in response to that saying "No, sociopaths we aren't catering to your fantasies," but maybe it is a social experiment to inspire the next villains in the series.

 

If that were the case, then their loss...

[Tidus]

Macha,Easy,hate toward the Elves and mages been taught for centuries  by the Chantry, fuel by the Nobles and mouth to mouth by laymen. That is a lot of hate being taught and yet very few sides with the Elves and to few Nobel men treat their Elven servants with respect.

[Mistic]

The Dalish were never enslaved. Only the elves who refused to go live far away from the Imperium. This is why they remained racist and grew xenophobic over the centuries. Elves who were enslaved are afraid of raising their heads against their masters.

 

Er, what? No, the Dalish are called Dalish precisely because they consider themselves remnants of the Dales, and as you say the Dales was created as a country for former elven slaves of the Imperium. Keeper Gisharel doesn't hide (several times) that the ancestors of the Dalish were slaves. Even their own motto contains a line ("never again shall we submit") that basically admits they submitted in the past.

[Captain Wiseass]

You know now that you mention it, I did sort of feel that the dark futures in Champions of the Just and In Hushed Whispers almost seemed heavily inspired by all BSN requests to commit atrocities in Inquisition, like "I want to torture and purge people!" or "I want to exterminate the Chantry and murder every Andrastian I can find!"

 

At the time I wondered if that was Bioware sending a message in response to that saying "No, sociopaths we aren't catering to your fantasies," but maybe it is a social experiment to inspire the next villains in the series.

Or maybe they were just saying, "All right, you want to do that, here's what it gets you."

[Daerog]

Macha,Easy,hate toward the Elves and mages been taught for centuries by the Chantry, fuel by the Nobles and mouth to mouth by laymen. That is a lot of hate being taught and yet very few sides with the Elves and to few Nobel men treat their Elven servants with respect.

Chantry does not teach hate towards elves.

Edit: What the Chant and the Chantry's doctrines say is what the Chantry teaches. Anything else is what that individual teaches.
If any hate is taught, it is towards men. Men are more villainized than elves. Magic is said to be dangerous, so sympathy is taught by the Chantry. Any hate is a product of society, and those people in the Chantry are a product of that society, but there is no hate in the Chant or the dogmas that have been mentioned.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Chantry does not teach hate towards elves.

Edit: What the Chant and the Chantry's doctrines say is what the Chantry teaches. Anything else is what that individual teaches.
If any hate is taught, it is towards men. Men are more villainized than elves. Magic is said to be dangerous, so sympathy is taught by the Chantry. Any hate is a product of society, and those people in the Chantry are a product of that society, but there is no hate in the Chant or the dogmas that have been mentioned.

 

Chantry theology in an of itself doesn't have any anti-elven doctrine, but in practice the legacy of elven contributions to the Cult of Maker was erased by human politics. Shartan was one of Andraste's earliest disciples, but his writings have been suppressed. And the true history of Ameridan and the Canticle of Shartan (which was probably written by elves in the Dales) have both been excised from history. 

[Sports72Xtrm]

Chantry theology in an of itself doesn't have any anti-elven doctrine, but in practice the legacy of elven contributions to the Cult of Maker was erased by human politics. Shartan was one of Andraste's earliest disciples, but his writings have been suppressed. And the true history of Ameridan and the Canticle of Shartan (which was probably written by elves in the Dales) have both been excised from history. 

Thus the Chantry as an institution technically teaches hate. The Chant of Light in its pure form technically doesn't.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I don't know if you can boil it down to explaining it as simple as that. The Chantry's members aren't all knowingly complicit in a historical cover up, not would they necessarily by trying to preach hateful things about elves. It's a complicated situation.