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[SKAR]

I really hope the next protagonist isn't built like Vega. I don't like playing bulk soldiers that look like guys playing catch. I'm not able to play gear of war just because of that.

Shepard was absolutely fine in M1 and M2 and M3.

An athletic man, muscular and sculpted, without being too big and too much, as an N7 soldier is just perfect for me. Quick, strong, flexible are the words that would fit how I see my soldier.

nevermind

[KaiserShep]

Fallout 4 CC.

 

All I'm gonna say.

 

 

It's sort of a mixed bag for me. Fallout 4 has some options that I wish BioWare would include, but I didn't care for the interface of Fallout's as much. Where Bio really failed was the hair. 

[Dobbysaurus]

So hair, boobs, bulge and butt are what most people want it seems. 

 

It would be sad and funny if all that is included as an option except for the nice hair 

[SKAR]

So hair, boobs, bulge and butt are what most people want it seems.

It would be sad and funny if all that is included as an option except for the nice hair

******* bulge. ****** joke.

[Dobbysaurus]

Yeah. I could do without that one.

[In Exile]

It's sort of a mixed bag for me. Fallout 4 has some options that I wish BioWare would include, but I didn't care for the interface of Fallout's as much. Where Bio really failed was the hair. 

 

The UI for it was a crime. It was such a huge pain in the ass to use, for no benefit whatsoever. 

[Seboist]

I just want violet eyes and white/grey hair(in an attractive but practical style as shown here) like DOA's Christie in this.

 

[Han Shot First]

Lol at these people worried about what someone they've never met before will do with the CC.

There is a legit reason to be concerned about what ends up in the CC. Most NPCs are also designed with the character creator. That was why for example half the female population of Orlais was rocking some version of a buzz cut in DA:I.

I'd rather options like pink hair not end up in the CC, because I don't trust Bioware to limit it to appropriate NPCs, like teenagers or a bartender. That option would probably show up instead on Alliance Marines or a political leader, and would be jarringly out of place.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There is a legit reason to be concerned about what ends up in the CC. Most NPCs are also designed with the character creator. That was why for example half the female population of Orlais was rocking some version of a buzz cut in DA:I.

I'd rather options like pink hair not end up in the CC, because I don't trust Bioware to limit it to appropriate NPCs, like teenagers or a bartender. That option would probably show up instead on Alliance Marines or a political leader, and would be jarringly out of place.

 

They could always design a CC to use for NPCs that is separate from parts of the CC available to the protagonist, like I'm assuming they did in DAI since nobody there had things like unnaturally-colored eyes or the extreme proportions you could make on the face. 

[Han Shot First]

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My work is done.

[Battlebloodmage]

I wouldn't take someone seriously if they go to a military meeting with a pink hair, military conduct has a set of rules that don't usually allow individualism or distraction. On a battlefield, someone with pink hair will stand out right away or even distracting their allies. It's usually just buzzcut and things like that. I don't care if it's on the protagonist since the appearance isn't canon and everyone react the same way regardless of how you look anyway, but for NPCs, the soldiers should maintain strict military conduct. Even in a game, things like that would ruin my immersion. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I wouldn't take someone seriously if they go to a military meeting with a pink hair, military conduct has a set of rules that don't usually allow individualism or distraction. On a battlefield, someone with pink hair will stand out right away or even distracting their allies. It's usually just buzzcut and things like that. I don't care if it's on the protagonist since the appearance isn't canon and everyone react the same way regardless of how you look anyway, but for NPCs, the soldiers should maintain strict military conduct. Even in a game, things like that would ruin my immersion. 

I would love for you to provide the System's Alliance Code of Conduct regarding the matter. There are certainly other differences in it compared to now, so I see no good reason to think this should be different. 

 

And again, have that part removed from the random character generator for the NPCs. Simple solution for simple problem. 

[Battlebloodmage]

I would love for you to provide the System's Alliance Code of Conduct regarding the matter. There are certainly other differences in it compared to now, so I see no good reason to think this should be different. 

 

And again, have that part removed from the random character generator for the NPCs. Simple solution for simple problem. 

I'm basing it off of the real military, never said it was in the System's Alliance. It would be stupid if they have that though. As I said, it's distracting, not only on the battlefield, but also within the ranks. Being in the military is not a summer camp. Military is about discipline after all.

 

And you repeat exactly what I said, no for the military NPCs, ok for the protagonist since the appearance is purely cosmetic and reflect you, not how other characters perceive you in the game, not sure why you need to repeat what I already said. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm basing it off of the real military, never said it was in the System's Alliance. It would be stupid if they have that though. As I said, it's distracting, not only on the battlefield, but also within the ranks. Being in the military is not a summer camp. Military is about discipline after all.

 

And you repeat exactly what I said, no for the military NPCs, ok for the protagonist, not sure why you need to repeat what I already said. 

Stupid and distracting to you maybe. I don't find it either. Also, if we are speaking disipline and following real world military conduct I hope that means you also think we shouldn't for example sleep with others in the chain of command. After all, it's being realistic and immersive right? 

 

I know, I was just saying there is a way that they can have both by pointing out what I said above. 

[Element Zero]

It depends upon whether ME still wants to be taken seriously. Yes, it's a scifi space fantasy game, but every work of fiction must have its boundaries. When the first ME was released, it was clear that the game was aiming to be taken seriously, for the most part. I don't think much has changed since 2007.

Pink hair on marines, and other such this, really stretches verisimilitude. Will marines in 2183 and beyond be allowed to wear pink hair? I have no idea. All I know is that seeing marines with pink hair in a video game immediately breaks immersion, for me. I suspect it does the same for many others. If ME still wants to be taken semi-seriously as a scifi setting featuring military personnel in mostly grown-up stories, pink hair and the like should remain in the purview of the modders.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It depends upon whether ME still wants to be taken seriously. Yes, it's a scifi space fantasy game, but every work of fiction must have its boundaries. When the first ME was released, it was clear that the game was aiming to be taken seriously, for the most part. I don't think much has changed since 2007.

Pink hair on marines, and other such this, really stretches verisimilitude. Will marines in 2183 and beyond be allowed to wear pink hair? I have no idea. All I know is that seeing marines with pink hair in a video game immediately breaks immersion, for me. I suspect it does the same for many others. If ME still wants to be taken semi-seriously as a scifi setting featuring military personnel in mostly grown-up stories, pink hair and the like should remain in the purview of the modders.

Mass Effect can't be taken seriously in this regard ever since Mass Effect 2 when they ignore both their own lore and common sense for the Rule of Cool. Anyone who would have had their immersion damaged by hair color have already had it shattered by things like not wearing proper outfits. 

 

I just don't see why people thinking things may be used on NPCs or misused by other players means that things shouldn't be allowed at all. 

 

 

[Battlebloodmage]

Stupid and distracting to you maybe. I don't find it either. Also, if we are speaking disipline and following real world military conduct I hope that means you also think we shouldn't for example sleep with others in the chain of command. After all, it's being realistic and immersive right? 

 

I know, I was just saying there is a way that they can have both by pointing out what I said above. 

Sure, if they want to remove the romance with other military, then do it, fine with me. A lot of the romance options in the ME are not even between other military members or following Alliance anyway. 

 

Stupid and distracting, not to me, but for practical purposes and military conducts. Being in the military is not about you, if Bioware wants to set out to create an atmospheric game that shows a discipline and serious military force, they should also show that the soldiers are discipline. 

 

I already said I have no problem with colored hair for the protagonist, so it's not like I'm against it, just the NPCs whose appearance is the canon part of the story.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sure, if they want to remove the romance with other military, then do it, fine with me. A lot of the romance options in the ME are not even between other military members or following Alliance anyway. 

 

Stupid and distracting, not to me, but for practical purposes and military conducts. Being in the military is not about you, if Bioware wants to set out to create an atmospheric game that shows a discipline and serious military force, they should also show that the soldiers are discipline. 

 

I already said I have no problem with colored hair for the protagonist, so it's not like I'm against it, just the NPCs whose appearance is the canon part of the story.

I'm glad to hear that. A lot of people tend to pick and choose parts of military conduct that can stay and go. Good to see someone treat all parts fairly. 

 

I don't see why having unnatural hair color means they lack discipline though, same with other things like for example tattoos. Can you explain please? 

[Battlebloodmage]

I'm glad to hear that. A lot of people tend to pick and choose parts of military conduct that can stay and go. Good to see someone treat all parts fairly. 

 

I don't see why having unnatural hair color inherently means they lack discipline though, same with other things people want here like for example tattoos. Care to explain please? 

It's a military liability, especially on the battlefield. It makes you standout more, and can serve as a distraction for other soldiers on the field. There are a lot of stuffs you have to follow, not just about hair color but hair length as well, your hair can't be too long for women, you need to cut it short or put in a bun, since it could reduce vision. Military is about uniformity, it's not about individualism. In many of the schools, especially in Asia, wearing uniform and having the no dye hair or long haired for guys are often part of the conduct/ Uniformity creates a sense of obedience. Uniformity among the soldiers is to build solidarity. Free of expression in appearance is a ground for disobedience and loosen up the rules of the military. It's strict because they have to be strict. You join the military by choice. It's not a summer camp. It makes sense in a real battle to reduce the distraction as much as possible, preventing individualism which may weaken the uniformity, and about representing the country by looking professional and clean cut. You could be in a lot of trouble if you use your uniform for a porn shooting because it brings disgraced to the military which represent an entire country. This is from the real military, not the Alliance. 

[7twozero]

Two sets of boobs at the same time

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's a military liability, especially on the battlefield. It makes you standout more, and can serve as a distraction for other soldiers on the field. There are a lot of stuffs you have to follow, your hair can't be too long for women, you need to cut it short or put in a bun, since it could reduce vision. Military is about uniformity, it's not about individualism. In many of the schools, especially in Asia, wearing uniform and having the no dye hair or long haired for guys are often part of the conduct. Uniformity among the soldiers is to build solidarity. Free of expression in appearance is a ground for disobedience and loosen up the rules of the military. It's strict because they have to be strict. You join the military by choice. It's not a summer camp. It makes sense in a real battle to reduce the distraction as much as possible, preventing individualism which may weaken the uniformity, and about representing the country by looking professional and clean cut. You could be in a lot of trouble if you use your uniform for a porn shooting because it brings disgraced to the military which represent an entire country. This is from the real military, not the Alliance. 

Well, in regards to it being a liability on the battlefield the things you bring up while maybe applying here on Earth wouldn't apply to space militaries since they would be wearing uniform head to toe fully-sealed armor when on duty, at least if they want to be realistic. As for uniformity among the units, we already know that that isn't always stressed as much as in real life militaries. To use an example outside of Shepard's crew since that is an exception on multiple levels, James and his squad in Paragon Lost comes to mind. While for the most part yes they had a uniformity, there were things that they did that individualized them when out of their armor, like for example James' neck tattoo. 

[Battlebloodmage]

Well, in regards to it being a liability on the battlefield the things you bring up while maybe applying here on Earth wouldn't apply to space militaries since they would be wearing uniform head to toe fully-sealed armor, at least if they want to be realistic. As for uniformity among the units, we already know that that isn't always stressed as much as in real life militaries. To use an example outside of Shepard's crew since that is an exception on multiple levels, James and his squad in Paragon Lost comes to mind. While for the most part yes they had a uniformity, there were things that they did that individualized them when out of their armor. 

How are they being individualized outside the armor? Of course they have their own personality and interests, but how they look are often very standardized in ME games. The military has so many rules on appearance is to prevent people from showing as much individualism as possible. They don't always wear space armors, and not all of the wear heavy armors like that, usually it's just for space combat, there are many times where soldiers fight without the space armor that cover head to toes throughout the series. 

[goofyomnivore]

I hope there is a body slider that lets you adjust head, chest, legs, arms, and abdomen size. Better hair options and decent looking blonde hair would be nice too. I hope you can play with your character for a bit before 'finalizing creation' maybe a 20 minute tutorial or intro level or something to see our characters in different lighting, cutscenes, etc.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

How are they being individualized outside the armor? Of course they have their own personality and interests, but how they look are often very standardized in ME games. The military has so many rules on appearance is to prevent people from showing as much individualism as possible. They don't always wear space armors, and not all of the wear heavy armors like that, usually it's just for space combat, there are many times where soldiers fight without the space armor that cover head to toes throughout the series. 

In the games, yes. Paragon Lost was an animated film. I mentioned one example: James' neck tattoo. In our militaries that is against regulations, but in the System Alliance it is apparently fine.

I don't recall a time when soldiers in the games fought without this armor: 

Spoiler

Sure they don't always wear their helmets, but whenever they don't they are also wearing a hat or a beret so hair is still not really an issue.

[Battlebloodmage]

In the games, yes. Paragon Lost was an animated film. I mentioned one example: James' neck tattoo. In our militaries that is against regulations, but in the System Alliance it is apparently fine.

I don't recall a time when soldiers in the games fought without this armor: 

Spoiler

Sure they don't always wear their helmets, but whenever they don't they are also wearing a hat or a beret so hair is still not really an issue.

Some of the military forces wear barets or hats like with the royal Australian Air Force. it's not a distraction or reduce vision like with hair and may be even part of the uniform, and they still don't wear helmet where hair is visible most of the time. 

 

Tattoo is against the rules? I know for a fact that many military branches allow tattoo like the Navy, as long as it's not in usually visible places like on the hand or face, but generally, the arms and back are ok since it's being covered most of the time if you wear clothes.