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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Some of the military forces wear barets or hats like with the royal Australian Air Force. it's not a distraction or reduce vision like with hair, and they still wear helmet. 

 

Tattoo is against the rules? I know for a fact that many military branches allow tattoo like the Navy, as long as it's not in usually visible places like on the hand or face, but generally, the arms and back are ok since it's being covered most of the time if you wear clothes. 

I know real militaries do. I was saying that headgear like that eliminates the problems you brought up earlier about hair since it is covered when on duty. 

I didn't say tattoos weren't allowed. Tattoos are allowed on arms, legs, and torso, but not like you said visible places like the hands(other than one ring-like tattoo per hand), neck, and face. James Vega has a prominent tattoo on his neck, so is against our regulations but apparently not the Alliance's. 

[Han Shot First]

I'm glad to hear that. A lot of people tend to pick and choose parts of military conduct that can stay and go. Good to see someone treat all parts fairly. 
 
I don't see why having unnatural hair color means they lack discipline though, same with other things like for example tattoos. Can you explain please?

To be fair, just because something is against the rules doesn't mean it doesn't happen. People break rules all the time. Fraternization also happens in the real world, so Mass Effect wasn't unrealistic in that regard. The difference is that unlike loud hair dye, relationships can be concealed from people that outrank you.

Of course since Mass Effect is set in the future it doesn't necessarily have to give its fictional human military organizatons similar rules and regs. I prefer at least some semblance to the real world however, as I think keeping the aesthetics of those fictional military organizations similar to the real world adds to atmosphere. Characters aboard military ships that are clean shaven and sporting short , undyed hair conveys regimentation, discipline, and professionalism more than a crew full of hipster beards, facial tattoos, and unnatural hair colors would.

If the ship were a pirate vessel on the other hand, a crew of people that look like Jack would be more appropriate.

[Battlebloodmage]

I know real militaries do. I was saying that headgear like that eliminates the problems you brought up earlier about hair since it is covered when on duty. 

I didn't say tattoos weren't allowed. Tattoos are allowed on arms, legs, and torso, but not like you said visible places like the hands(other than one ring-like tattoo per hand), neck, and face. James Vega has a prominent tattoo on his neck, so is against our regulations but apparently not the Alliance's. 

Headgear still shows hair, it's not like you got a sidecut while wearing the hat. 

 

There are usually some leeway depending on the situation like when did he gets the tattoo on his neck. It's not easy to remove the tattoo, especially if it's before joining, and unlike tattoo, pink haired require you to maintain and recolor them every few months, require a conscious decision to maintain it. 

 

Q. What does this mean for soldiers who have neck tattoos?

 

A. There is no change to the restriction of neck tattoos. They are still prohibited. Soldiers who had a neck tattoo prior to the March 31, 2014, policy change and properly documented it will continue to be grandfathered. Any neck tattoo obtained after that date is in violation of the Army's policy.

 

There was a time where neck tattoo was allowed,

 

http://usmilitary.ab...attoopolicy.htm

 

The game was made during the time period where neck tattoo in military was legal. It's still defining what's acceptable. In the end, what we end up with in the U.S. military is short cut, no dye hair, no tattoo in visible places. It's conformed uniformity, solidarity, obedience, and discipline by following the rules and maintain the appearance according to the rules. It's just professionalism, and show the uniform look among all the soldiers. It creates a semblance people can identify with in the real world. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There are usually some leeway depending on the situation like when did he gets the tattoo on his neck. It's not easy to remove the tattoo, especially if it's before joining, and unlike tattoo, pink haired require you to maintain and recolor them every few months, require a conscious decision to maintain it. 

This leads to an interesting thought. While yes today hair color is changed by being dyed, in the time of Mass Effect we have a lot of genetic modification. A person could have had it genetically modified to be that color, same as how they can have their eye color be genetically altered. It doesn't go against the laws about genetic modification. So in that case, it is now like the person who got the tattoo before joining. 

 

 

Of course since Mass Effect is set in the future it doesn't necessarily have to give its fictional human military organizatons similar rules and regs. I prefer at least some semblance to the real world however, as I think keeping the aesthetics of those fictional military organizations similar to the real world adds to atmosphere. Characters aboard military ships that are clean shaven and sporting short , undyed hair conveys regimentation, discipline, and professionalism more than a crew full of hipster beards, facial tattoos, and unnatural hair colors would.

 

If the ship were a pirate vessel on the other hand, a crew of people that look like Jack would be more appropriate.

Just another reason why having us be Shepard 2.0 is such a disappointment. 

[Han Shot First]

 
Just another reason why having us be Shepard 2.0 is such a disappointment.

It is too soon to say whether Andromeda's protagonist will be Shepard 2.0. Sharing a job doesn't mean that they also need to share a personality.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It is too soon to say whether Andromeda's protagonist will be Shepard 2.0. Sharing a job doesn't mean that they also need to share a personality.

So far the official and unofficial information paints them as that. When I see something that goes against that, my opinion will change accordingly.

[Han Shot First]

So far the official and unofficial information paints them as that. When I see something that goes against that, my opinion will change accordingly.

What information is that? I don't think much is known about the protagonist other than being a pathfinder and maybe an N7.

[Mdizzletr0n]

It is too soon to say whether Andromeda's protagonist will be Shepard 2.0. Sharing a job doesn't mean that they also need to share a personality.

What I gathered from the comment on Shep 2.0, is the military ties which also means more boring military regulations forced onto "our" characters. I'm not too thrilled about that either. If I want to create a protagonist with long blue hair, a nose ring and neck tats in a video game steeped in fiction, I should be able to do so without buying a PC and having to have a mod.

[MrBSN2017]

Tattoos, scars, more options to make your character look like you, voice options, height, bodyweight and bf%.

Mainly I hope bioware revamps it. All custom characters look about the same.

[SardaukarElite]

Individualism can exist in a military context, Manfred von Richthofen was after all famous for both painting his fighter red and scoring a heap of kills. Not that I really want purple hair, but I think self expression is interesting and should be played with - to a point. 

 

Characters aboard military ships that are clean shaven and sporting short , undyed hair conveys regimentation, discipline, and professionalism more than a crew full of hipster beards, facial tattoos, and unnatural hair colors would.

If the ship were a pirate vessel on the other hand, a crew of people that look like Jack would be more appropriate.

 

I kind of want to fight a crew of hipster bearded space pirates now. 

[mopotter]

Well, I don't think we'll get all of them, but putting aside the bulge, the other sliders don't have to lead to characters who look like they did a lot of plastic surgeries. They could let us customize the body of the PC with the range being limited, without going in extreme proportions.

I would not mind this range limit option.  I don't have a problem with what other people do with their characters, but I'd rather have another hair style than super boobs.  

 

I like the idea of making each of my character a bit different so sliders are nice, shorter, taller, more muscle different body shapes.  Most of my Shepards looked like they were related and just had different hair styles and minor face differences.   

 

But then the eyeliner style would change and you'd be screwed. 

I admit, Shep's mascara overload in ME3 bothers me so much, it's like she's got false lashes on her bottom lids.  No BioWare, that's not a thing, they go on the top. 

 

There are some mods for DAI that give a female character a big messy bun like Ciri from the Witcher 3.  That's the type of hair I wish BioWare would do more of, a little messy but tied back, with a little movement perhaps.

I love that bun.  All of my mages use it.  My rogues go with pony tail or short.  I really wish BW would include some of the styles you can find in mods.  

[mopotter]

Fallout 4 CC.

 

All I'm gonna say.

CC  character creation or custom content.

 

I like the character creation in Fallout 4, there is a slight body slide which was better than none, but I also liked some of DAI face creation.   FA4 hair, is better, love the one that reminds me of Jack and bangs, ok except for the one you get in the magazine which is atrocious and for me a waste of posibilities. 

[Element Zero]

Mass Effect can't be taken seriously in this regard ever since Mass Effect 2 when they ignore both their own lore and common sense for the Rule of Cool. Anyone who would have had their immersion damaged by hair color have already had it shattered by things like not wearing proper outfits.

I just don't see why people thinking things may be used on NPCs or misused by other players means that things shouldn't be allowed at all.

If I had my way, they'd also put Miranda in proper clothing, put everyone into proper armor and helmets, and have at least minimal repercussions for fraternization amongst Alliance crew. At least Shepard can pull the "Spectre" card on that last one. (I'm not big on romance plots, anyway. I don't play video games for romance stories.) I'd also fix every single one of those stupid left-handed salutes. Ugh.

Since pink-haired marines aren't yet in the game, I can take a stand against their inclusion. I'll explain why I think they're far worse than all of the above. The above stuff was annoying. Pink-haired people being the norm would feel like anime or cyber-punk, not Mass Effect. It would be jarring and weird, destroying all verisimilitude. That's it.

It's not about what others do in their games. Han explained that previously. BioWare uses the CC to create NPCs. If that stuff is in the CC, it's in the game. Others can mod their protagonists with all the glamorous outfits and hairstyles they wish. It doesn't bother me at all. I don't want that stuff in my game, though, because it looks silly. I want my game to look as true to life and true to the setting as we can presently imagine.

[ArcadiaGrey]

I love that bun.  All of my mages use it.  My rogues go with pony tail or short.  I really wish BW would include some of the styles you can find in mods.  

 

Exactly.  All BioWare needs to do to make better hair options is head over to nexus mods and look at the DAI hair category.  Sorted.

[mopotter]

It depends upon whether ME still wants to be taken seriously. Yes, it's a scifi space fantasy game, but every work of fiction must have its boundaries. When the first ME was released, it was clear that the game was aiming to be taken seriously, for the most part. I don't think much has changed since 2007.

Pink hair on marines, and other such this, really stretches verisimilitude. Will marines in 2183 and beyond be allowed to wear pink hair? I have no idea. All I know is that seeing marines with pink hair in a video game immediately breaks immersion, for me. I suspect it does the same for many others. If ME still wants to be taken semi-seriously as a scifi setting featuring military personnel in mostly grown-up stories, pink hair and the like should remain in the purview of the modders.

 

Did they announce that our character would be military?  I had heard combat trained but that could cover a number of scenarios once your out on your own and that the N7 character wasn't ours.   Don't mind it, but was sort of hoping for "pathfinder" to be different.    

 

Personally, probably wouldn't use pink, might use a pale to the point of being white color for hair, but can't say I'd care if someone else did or if one of the NPC's had pink or purple hair.  I figure if genetics can be changes so I have biotic powers, there is the possibility that genetics have changed to give people different hair colors depending on what kind of chemicals or radiation they have been exposed to over the years.

[Monk]

The primary purpose of military's restriction isn't necessariliy about being confused by weird colors or abstractions, it's about the destruction of uniqueness to better know who the enemy is. If everyone's wearing a grey uniform with short-hair and a certain rifle, anyone who doesn't meet this criteria are likely the enemy. Why? Because real-life military targets are human. In Mass Effect, more often than not the enemies are other species so the strictness in uniform is simply a hold-over from human-against-human based wars. Having green hair isn't going to make anyone on your side think that you're the enemy when the enemy is completely metallic with glowing blue eyes.

 

Also, we're dealing with N7, which is a special forces branch. If my memory serves correctly, special forces operatives are better trained and are given more freedom to how they dress. Also, why can't it be the case that while off-duty, you can have all the tattoos and piercings you want but they must be concealed/removed when having to go back into battle. While Jack might be an extreme case, i think she is an example of how relaxed Alliance dress code can be (she was an Alliance instructor, after all). Though, to be honest, if she had to wear a helmet, she probably wouldn't have had the earrings.

[fizzypop]

All I want is some decent hairdos.

Omg how I want this. I don't even care if they are all short haired....just please do better. Bioware sucks at making hair and cc options. DAI was better cc than they have ever had, but hair was sorely lacking.

[fizzypop]

I will also point out that in the military women can have long hair. It just needs to be tied back. So the whole "military" thing is just an excuse.

[themikefest]

Tattoo is against the rules? I know for a fact that many military branches allow tattoo like the Navy, as long as it's not in usually visible places like on the hand or face, but generally, the arms and back are ok since it's being covered most of the time if you wear clothes. 

Depends on the tattoo. I knew a guy in the 80's who joined and was released immediately because of a very offensive tattoo he had on his elbow. I knew what it meant and it didn't bother me, but it was against  regulations.

 

The tattoo on James neck would've prevented him from entering the military.

[themikefest]

I will also point out that in the military women can have long hair. It just needs to be tied back. So the whole "military" thing is just an excuse.

I've seen women with very long hair when I was in the military. All they had to do was have the hair tied up with no loose strands and the hair not touching the ears and off the collar

[Element Zero]

Did they announce that our character would be military?  I had heard combat trained but that could cover a number of scenarios once your out on your own and that the N7 character wasn't ours.   Don't mind it, but was sort of hoping for "pathfinder" to be different.    
 
Personally, probably wouldn't use pink, might use a pale to the point of being white color for hair, but can't say I'd care if someone else did or if one of the NPC's had pink or purple hair.  I figure if genetics can be changes so I have biotic powers, there is the possibility that genetics have changed to give people different hair colors depending on what kind of chemicals or radiation they have been exposed to over the years.

Now I'm looking for the press release, tweet or whatnot I recently read that referenced our "leading a team of military-trained specialists", or something similar. I think the release came very recently, right after either the assets leak or Shinobi's NeoGAF post. At any rate, it wasn't definitive, but it suggested military. We also know N7 is part of the package, but that the N7 operative in the trailer is not our protagonist. We could be military, or we may not be. I'm actually okay with either route. Both present cool options, since we know the character does have military training to account for all of that extreme combat badassery will we be displaying.

You're more forgiving than I, if you're willing to accept genetically pink hair on humans as a norm. I'll accept that in a fantasy game, but not in ME.

[mopotter]

If I had my way, they'd also put Miranda in proper clothing, put everyone into proper armor and helmets, and have at least minimal repercussions for fraternization amongst Alliance crew. At least Shepard can pull the "Spectre" card on that last one. (I'm not big on romance plots, anyway. I don't play video games for romance stories.) I'd also fix every single one of those stupid left-handed salutes. Ugh.

Since pink-haired marines aren't yet in the game, I can take a stand against their inclusion. I'll explain why I think they're far worse than all of the above. The above stuff was annoying. Pink-haired people being the norm would feel like anime or cyber-punk, not Mass Effect. It would be jarring and weird, destroying all verisimilitude. That's it.

It's not about what others do in their games. Han explained that previously. BioWare uses the CC to create NPCs. If that stuff is in the CC, it's in the game. Others can mod their protagonists with all the glamorous outfits and hairstyles they wish. It doesn't bother me at all. I don't want that stuff in my game, though, because it looks silly. I want my game to look as true to life and true to the setting as we can presently imagine.

 Glad your not in charge.  Probably wouldn't buy that game, sounds too much like all the other military games out there.  I'm not interested in reality, far more interested in the character interaction and the story.  The romance is a part of that.  Of course real life has romance, military people do have relationships with their team, I know a navy guy who married someone he met on duty.  True it didn't last for more than a couple of years but neither did Jacob's romance. 

 

I totally agree about Miranda's outfit, I always switched it as soon as I could and I'd have liked something other than the face mask and Liara's suit for any visits to space or planets where atmosphere could have been oh deadly. 

 

I don't mind a little sillyness, anything that makes me smile is a good thing for me.  

[fizzypop]

IDK I think the military is much more lax about stuff now. I know even a few dudes who have much longer hair than is typically expected from the military. Officers get way more leeway too. My ex has a hammer and sickle tattoo...just sayin' I think that 1000 years from now we probably aren't going to care as much about these things especially when most combat is with a oxygen helmet on and in space with ships.

[Element Zero]

The primary purpose of military's restriction isn't necessariliy about being confused by weird colors or abstractions, it's about the destruction of uniqueness to better know who the enemy is. If everyone's wearing a grey uniform with short-hair and a certain rifle, anyone who doesn't meet this criteria are likely the enemy. Why? Because real-life military targets are human. In Mass Effect, more often than not the enemies are other species so the strictness in uniform is simply a hold-over from human-against-human based wars. Having green hair isn't going to make anyone on your side think that you're the enemy when the enemy is completely metallic with glowing blue eyes.
 
Also, we're dealing with N7, which is a special forces branch. If my memory serves correctly, special forces operatives are better trained and are given more freedom to how they dress. Also, why can't it be the case that while off-duty, you can have all the tattoos and piercings you want but they must be concealed/removed when having to go back into battle. While Jack might be an extreme case, i think she is an example of how relaxed Alliance dress code can be (she was an Alliance instructor, after all). Though, to be honest, if she had to wear a helmet, she probably wouldn't have had the earrings.

It's true that certain counter terrorism units have relaxed grooming standards, for obvious reasons. It's not always advantageous to look so obviously like a soldier or sailor.

My main issue is not with how the PC looks; ,it's with how the NPCs look. Since BioWare uses the CC to fashion NPCs, any outlandish or unusual options provided in the CC are likely to appear throughout the galaxy. DAI is an example of this going terribly wrong. How many women did you see wearing that stupid buzzcut hairstyle? Does anyone really want to run into ambassadors, admirals or even other officers with pink hair? It would be ridiculous. Teenagers, gangmembers, clubhoppers, redsand dealers with pink hair? Sure, that's fine. It's not okay for most characters, though. I don't trust BioWare's artists to use it judiciously. They'd destroy verisimilitude.

[mopotter]

Now I'm looking for the press release, tweet or whatnot I recently read that referenced our "leading a team of military-trained specialists", or something similar. I think the release came very recently, right after either the assets leak or Shinobi's NeoGAF post. At any rate, it wasn't definitive, but it suggested military. We also know N7 is part of the package, but that the N7 operative in the trailer is not our protagonist. We could be military, or we may not be. I'm actually okay with either route. Both present cool options, since we know the character does have military training to account for all of that extreme combat badassery will we be displaying.

You're more forgiving than I, if you're willing to accept genetically pink hair on humans as a norm. I'll accept that in a fantasy game, but not in ME.

 Well I figure if I can accept space magic biopics where I can wave my hand and send someone flying across the room, I can accept colored hair.