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[Sayalol]

This should be required reading before anyone is allowed to post "Bioware, Your game is broken, FIX IT" posts!

Assuming it's your hardware that's having issue.  Frankly, alot of peoples issue seem to generally be the same.  I know that my fans are clean and working properly, especially since I can run games such as Crisis, and other games perfectly fine.  DAO is the only problem that I, and many others have issues with.  That tends to say game issue, not hardware.  It's definetly not the cooling system nor powersupply.  I'm running dual core and both of my cores are running at 100%.  Which is what is causing the over heating issue.  There's no reason this game should cause that at all.
If I had to take a guess, something is wrong with the data filtering between the processor and the video card.
I overclocked my processor by 15% and I'm not having any more overheating issues with in the processor.  It's staying at an average of 60ºC.

Modifié par Sayalol, 23 décembre 2009 - 09:27 .

[caneker]

which OS do you guys use, im running on windows7 32bit = %100 CPU

[whtnyte-raernst]

Your CPU is designed to run at 100% without over heating, otherwise, why have it be able to run at 100%?



When doing burn in testing a computer is pushed to it's limits for 8 hours. If it over heats, or crashes there's a problem. If your CPU is over heating because DA:O is pushing the CPU, there's a problem.



If your not overclocking and your CPU over heats for ANY reason, there's a problem! The most often cited problem? Dust, the second? Lack of thermal grease between the CPU and the heat sink. Followed by fan failing completely.



Intel no longer ships thermal grease with their CPUs, you have to buy it separately, I wonder how many of these computers having heat issues were built by companies that said "screw the thermal grease, if Intel is going to save a few pennies per CPU, so are we!"

[Apex Sammoth]

I don't know why this issue keeps being brought up yet people keep defending the game. It doesn't take a rocket science to figure out that there is a problem with the game. Too many users have issues with it with different configurations. Not everyone has these issues but, a vast majority does. If it’s not the %100 Processor use, Memory Leak, CTD etc it’s something else. The Game was RUSHED and not TESTED properly. That’s all there is to it. As Of Right now Bioware has already lost my sale on ME2 and KOTR mmo. I figure I might buy them way after release but, not until DAO works.

[Enernanut]

Just because the game uses 100% of many CPU's does not mean that there is anything wrong with it. With my last computer the CPU ran at 100% in most newer games towards the end of when I had it, that doesn't mean there was anything wrong with the games it just means that my CPU was a bottleneck for those games. The only time that computer crashed while gaming was when the power supply was going out.



Once again if a computer crashes because it is running at 100% then there is something wrong with the computer. Some of you also need to realize that for gaming dual core CPU's are officially outdated, this should be obvious but I still see people recommending dual cores to people building a new gaming rig.

[Cpt. Dogshit]

Enernanut wrote...

Just because the game uses 100% of many CPU's does not mean that there is anything wrong with it. With my last computer the CPU ran at 100% in most newer games towards the end of when I had it, that doesn't mean there was anything wrong with the games it just means that my CPU was a bottleneck for those games. The only time that computer crashed while gaming was when the power supply was going out.

Once again if a computer crashes because it is running at 100% then there is something wrong with the computer. Some of you also need to realize that for gaming dual core CPU's are officially outdated, this should be obvious but I still see people recommending dual cores to people building a new gaming rig.

L O L

[Apex Sammoth]

Enernanut wrote...

Just because the game uses 100% of many CPU's does not mean that there is anything wrong with it. With my last computer the CPU ran at 100% in most newer games towards the end of when I had it, that doesn't mean there was anything wrong with the games it just means that my CPU was a bottleneck for those games. The only time that computer crashed while gaming was when the power supply was going out.

Once again if a computer crashes because it is running at 100% then there is something wrong with the computer. Some of you also need to realize that for gaming dual core CPU's are officially outdated, this should be obvious but I still see people recommending dual cores to people building a new gaming rig.

Dual Cores are not outdated WTF are you taliking about. Good One I need a laugh since this game doesn't req Dual Core to work. Oh Yeah niether does Windows 7. Keep up the comedy.

[berelinde]

This is going to sound like a really obvious thing, but it's helped me. I play on a laptop. I don't have the option of running with the cover off or installing additional fans. I maintain the computer, i.e. have it cleaned and have the thermal paste replaced regularly. I also put a cooling mat under the computer. Without it, the computer runs close to 60C. Not good. With it, I'm running at about 30C. OK, it's a little above room temperature, but it isn't dangerously so. My computer is still running at 100% CPU, but at least I know it isn't overheating, and while I've had my share of slowdowns, they seem to be memory issues, not thermal ones.

Edit: And by the way, I've got a dual core, and the game seems to run OK. I can't jack up the settings, mind you. I keep everything between low and medium. But the game runs fine... when I'm not dealing with overloaded memory.

Modifié par berelinde, 24 décembre 2009 - 06:12 .

[whtnyte-raernst]

Dual cores are outdated...what world does this guy live in?

Lifestyles of the rich and famous?

Not everyone can afford to spend $1000 on the latest Intel i7 screamer.

I just built this computer, and while it is forward compatible with said 1grand chip, I felt no need to go beyond a top line core2 duo!



Sir, I'm afraid dual core is still mainstream.

I'll send Tattoo to track you down at Fantasy Island.

[Enernanut]

Many new games are taking advantage of more than two cores, these games are often bottlenecked by even the fastest dual core. This doesn't mean that a dual core isn't adequate but it's ridiculous that people claim there is something wrong with the game because their 3.X ghz dual core is running at 100%.

As I said in my last post my last system ran most games at 100% for the last year or so that I had it but I didn't complain to developers that something was wrong with the games because my system was outdated. It was adequate but the CPU was limiting my performance, I couldn't afford to upgrade so I didn't.

I'm not saying that dual cores are not good enough anymore or that anyone with one should replace it immediately. I also wouldn't buy a dual core to build a gaming PC anymore.

A few years ago people were saying that dual cores were a waste of money because a single core CPU was adequate even if some games were taking advantage of dual cores. Shortly after that I saw many complaints from people with fast single cores that couldn't get good framerates in newer games. I don't like to upgrade my whole PC very often so that probably plays into my opinion on the subject.

Modifié par Enernanut, 24 décembre 2009 - 10:43 .

[thomoman]

Having the same problems, but only on hot days here, like when it 40c outside.

Have played games like Crysis, The Witcher, Oblivion etc and np's.

Just started the game and my mage has no staff for some strange reason, loaded some other saved games but still no staff (

[ooglick]

those of you that use intel deserve what you get.If any of you bother to read you would see that recently intel has been caught lying on its cpu benchmarks and it is a well known fact that intel has always marked thier cpu,s on the extreme end as opposed to amd,s low end thus amd can will and does out perform intel with out heating issues. Every intel machine ive ever built has always run high temps amd machine usually run at 97 degrees with a decent heatsink where as intel,s run at a average of 119 degrees so read up ppl the info,s out there

[Sayalol]

It's not just people using intel with these problems...I use AMD and have the overheating issue.

It has nothing to do with the computers being out of date. There is no reason what so ever that this game should be running DAO at 100%. The fact that there is show a problem. The fact that I had to overclock my processor just to stop the overheating shows there is a problem. What ever the issue, it has something to do to with the game no properly function with my hardware. I'd say it's not a hardware issue considering that I know they're running perfectly fine, that all my fans are clean, and that my cooling system is intact and functioning properly.

I also know that it has nothing to do with weather or not you're running a dual core or quad because my friend has the exact same processor I do and runs this game with no isse.

The fact is, this game should not be pushing anyones CPU at 100%. There's no reason that it should, and whather or no the CPU should be able to run all cores at 100% with out overheating, something is causing it to overheat.  It's not my cooling system nor powersupply that is at fault.  The fact that it stopped over heating after I overclocked tends to prove this point a little more.

 

Modifié par Sayalol, 24 décembre 2009 - 02:13 .

[-CastorTroy-]

I'm having the same problems, I also have the issue, that I don't start with a staff (but I don't know if this should be?!?). I just checked again on the case of the CE and the specs say that my older Laptop probably wouldn't run the game, because of the CPU and VIDEO. But the newer Laptop should run the game, but it doesn't. I already tried a handfull of possible solutions, but nothing changed. (updated all drivers, C++ thingy, Physix, DirectX; tried VSync on/off, patch 1.02a... maybe more). I will try whatever suggested solution I will find until tomorrow, hopefully something works.

What makes me sad is that I found no comments from the devs, although a lot of people seem to have these problems.
I already waited 2 month before I was able to get a "newer" system, but now it occurs that the game still doesn't work. Depressing!

Is there a list or something, with suggested solutions or other threads with more information?

Modifié par -CastorTroy-, 24 décembre 2009 - 04:47 .

[Valaskjalf]

If your computer can't do a 48 hr burn-in on prime95, then its your cooling, not the program's fault. plain and simple.

[caneker]

Valaskjalf wrote...

If your computer can't do a 48 hr burn-in on prime95, then its your cooling, not the program's fault. plain and simple.

what kind of rule is this? u made it up?
my CPU is %80-90  while playing modern warfare or nfs shift...But in DAO its always 100, i have never seen 99...
Im just crious if its a problem that can be fixed....

[Tiny Azn Boy]

DAO uses about 40% to 80% of my i7 's resource depending where I am at in the game. In some part of the game, the game starts to stutter and if i keep playing, the game will grow more sluggish eventually to a point my computer just crashes. I have to say this has been an unpleasant suprise for me since i did not expect this sort of game to be so CPU demanding. I can run Crysis maxed out smoothly under 30% CPU usage, so i dunno why this game is stressing my cpu so much.

[fdshfdsfhkshejkfhesfkels]

Enernanut wrote...
Some of you also need to realize that for gaming dual core CPU's are officially outdated, this should be obvious but I still see people recommending dual cores to people building a new gaming rig.

Man i've played all game using a Pentium Dual CPU 1.8 GHz and i assure you the CPU was never over 73% and the average CPU use was around 61%, mean 30% for each processor.
Many game's performances novaday depends heavily by optimization: chunck of useless code, script, subrutine that are not removed/bested so CPU, RAM and HD does duble/triple work.
They relase beta because run out of time/money and this is the result

The OP problem is about software optimization, not hardware issue.
If you read his post, you see he's telling you that other games run smootly.

[-CastorTroy-]

Thx I will try the burn-in, but 48hours goes a little over the top, when DA kills my system in 5 minutes

[Sayalol]

Some of you also need to realize that for gaming dual core CPU's are officially outdated, this should be obvious but I still see people recommending dual cores to people building a new gaming rig.

Where exactly did you come up with this oh-so wonderful theory?  Dual core is far from out dated.  Any game you can run on a quad, you can run just fine on a dual.  It's obvious that dual core works perfectly fine and will for some time.  Also, the reason they recommend dual core is because it tends to be cheaper than quad core.  It's nice to people with a budget, let's not forget overclocking.

Valaskjalf wrote...

If your computer can't do a 48 hr burn-in on prime95, then its your cooling, not the program's fault. plain and simple.

Thank you, but we've already established that cooling is not the issue.  I could agree if it were only one or two people, but the fact that there are many, with the exact same issue, kind of says other wise.

Modifié par Sayalol, 25 décembre 2009 - 04:48 .

[Sayalol]

Double post, sorry.

Modifié par Sayalol, 25 décembre 2009 - 04:48 .

[Valaskjalf]

caneker wrote...

Valaskjalf wrote...

If your computer can't do a 48 hr burn-in on prime95, then its your cooling, not the program's fault. plain and simple.

what kind of rule is this? u made it up?
my CPU is %80-90  while playing modern warfare or nfs shift...But in DAO its always 100, i have never seen 99...
Im just crious if its a problem that can be fixed....

No, actually i didn't. 

Prime95 not only uses your cpu at 100% but it will use the various extra specialized stuff thats built in to the chips like SSE and it constant abuses your cache. basically its a program that can bring your CPU to its knees.

Overclockers run by the rule that if it can run 48 hrs on Prime95 without producing a single error, then the overclock is stable. (along with running a memtest beforehand)

if your computer can't handle its hardware being pushed at 100% for 48 hrs, then it has problems - though usually if it fails it will fail within the first hour of Prime95. 

if you can survive prime95 and still have weird problems with dragon age, then there is something other than dragon age abusing your CPU that is causing the problem. 

[Enernanut]

It seems that people are fixated on my use of the word outdated, either something is up to date or out of date. Quad cores have been out for quite a while and software is rapidly catching up to the tech this makes quad cores the up to date technology, by default this makes dual cores the out of date tech. I'm not saying that dual cores are outdated like a rotary phone, I'm saying they are outdated like Win XP is(which is still my main OS so don't flame). I apologize to anyone who thought that I meant dual cores are garbage I simply meant that they aren't the latest and greatest and that the game seems to like(but not require) the latest and greatest.



Whether the game is properly optimized or not is a separate subject however at first glance it doesn't appear to be since it performs and looks better on pc(including dual core PC's). The PC version was also the lead platform which should keep it from having the "poor port" syndrome that many PC games suffer from these days.



The two points I was trying to make originally that it seems most have ignored are:

1. This game is CPU hungry and from what I've seen on my quad core it doesn't surprise me that the game maxes out dual cores. They are powerful enough to run the game but not powerful enough to give it ALL of the CPU power that it can use(unless you have 6.5 ghz dual core).

2. A CPU should be able to run for days at 100% without crashing unless there is a hardware problem(heat, power, memory, etc).



It's common to see threads like this where a game pushes CPU's more than previous games have and people think that it's the games fault because they don't have problems in their other games that don't push the CPU as hard. That's not to say that a game can't crash a stable computer but that is rare and usually related to driver or memory management issues.

[Apex Sammoth]

Enernanut wrote...

It seems that people are fixated on my use of the word outdated, either something is up to date or out of date. Quad cores have been out for quite a while and software is rapidly catching up to the tech this makes quad cores the up to date technology, by default this makes dual cores the out of date tech. I'm not saying that dual cores are outdated like a rotary phone, I'm saying they are outdated like Win XP is(which is still my main OS so don't flame). I apologize to anyone who thought that I meant dual cores are garbage I simply meant that they aren't the latest and greatest and that the game seems to like(but not require) the latest and greatest.

Whether the game is properly optimized or not is a separate subject however at first glance it doesn't appear to be since it performs and looks better on pc(including dual core PC's). The PC version was also the lead platform which should keep it from having the "poor port" syndrome that many PC games suffer from these days.

The two points I was trying to make originally that it seems most have ignored are:
1. This game is CPU hungry and from what I've seen on my quad core it doesn't surprise me that the game maxes out dual cores. They are powerful enough to run the game but not powerful enough to give it ALL of the CPU power that it can use(unless you have 6.5 ghz dual core).
2. A CPU should be able to run for days at 100% without crashing unless there is a hardware problem(heat, power, memory, etc).

It's common to see threads like this where a game pushes CPU's more than previous games have and people think that it's the games fault because they don't have problems in their other games that don't push the CPU as hard. That's not to say that a game can't crash a stable computer but that is rare and usually related to driver or memory management issues.

To answer your 1 & 2

1. No Game should use 100% processor Power. Did we forget that we need some of that power to run the OS and other background programs such as our Internet connection etc. Keep and mind we need some of it to run the hardware we have too. The Problem still is with DAO. What's funny is Bioware has already admitted there is a problem yet people keep saying it's not the game.  It doesn't take "Einstein" to figure out that too many people are having the same problems with different configs. As far as your Dual Core Comment you stated that the Dual Core where out of date but, that is not true when most software doesn't even utilize both processors in this day and age "FACT".

2. I agree but, not 1 program should bump it that far. Not even Auto Cad pushes a system far.

[Enernanut]

Apex Sammoth wrote...

To answer your 1 & 2

1. No Game should use 100% processor Power. Did we forget that we need some of that power to run the OS and other background programs such as our Internet connection etc. Keep and mind we need some of it to run the hardware we have too. The Problem still is with DAO. What's funny is Bioware has already admitted there is a problem yet people keep saying it's not the game.  It doesn't take "Einstein" to figure out that too many people are having the same problems with different configs. As far as your Dual Core Comment you stated that the Dual Core where out of date but, that is not true when most software doesn't even utilize both processors in this day and age "FACT".

2. I agree but, not 1 program should bump it that far. Not even Auto Cad pushes a system far.

I'm guessing from your statement that you have never played Oblivion, The Witcher, or Fallout 3 on a 2.5 ghz single core CPU.  I have and the CPU ran at 100% with the game running and maximized the only difference in their behavior is that when I ALT+TAB'ed out of those the CPU usage would drop quite a bit while DAO uses about the same amount with the game minimized.

I'm not saying that the game doesn't have any problems, there seems to be a memory leak for some people and random as well as not so random CTD's for many not to mention dissapearing items.  I've had 2 CTD's in about 90 hours, that's not great but I've seen worse.  I'm not trying to argue here it just seems like many would rather blame the game than investigate possible hardware issue which are more likely to be the problem.

If you still have a problem with my use of the word outdated then should I assume you think that dual cores are the latest and greatest and that quad cores are useless.  If that's what you think then I can link you to benchmarks for several games including DAO that show an improvement in performance with a quad core.