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[Lunatica]

I'm trying to figure this since  it isn't so obvious as it may seem.

 Vir Dirthara seem to imply that the fade wasn't totally  merged with the world even without the veil.

Spirits are the ancestors of every life forms dwarves apart so is not inconceivable to think that they were the one who invaded the physical plane and  entered into the Titans realm.

 

Elvhenan could have been  the artificial world created by the spirits and the elves who were (unlike the dwarves) heavily dependant on the fade.

Bizzare is the behaviour of the titan who seemed to be uncomfortable with the breach and that had to being active in order stabilize reality,so it may seem that Solas  restored the natural state of the world with the veil rather than the contrary.

[straykat]

It would seem even the Chantry would agree with you, in their own way. "Maker's first children" and all that.

 

 

But to me, "natural" would be quite the opposite. The world of the tactile/5 senses. I'm keepin it real, original or not.

[ArcadiaGrey]

Oh dear, thinking about that kind of thing makes my head hurt.  I think I'm better off humming a tune and flirting with Bull...more my level.  

[German Soldier]

Which mean that the dwarves are the only true people of Thedas everyone else is  a wish made into reality from the fade.

Look at how everyone aside from the dwarves become  a dement the moment it is separated from the fade which mean that they belong to the fade not to the physical world,lorewise in fact every non-dwarf return to the fade upon death.

[straykat]

Which mean that the dwarves are the only true people of Thedas everyone else is  a wish made into reality from the fade.

 

There still isn't much known about human origins.

[Lunatica]

Oh dear, thinking about that kind of thing makes my head hurt.  I think I'm better off humming a tune and flirting with Bull...more my level.  

it is a dwarf Inquisitor?

I'm unable to make one equally beautiful.

[Lunatica]

There still isn't much known about human origins.

Actually it seem that they  descend from the elves for what Felassan said ......

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or maybe from the monkeys of Par Vollen as Sten implied....but it is unlikely since Felassan said that there were no humans before the elves and natural evolution is something that require a long time.

[straykat]

Actually it seem that they  descend from the elves for what Felassan said.

 

Kind of like wolves and dogs then

[lynroy]

Actually it seem that they descend from the elves for what Felassan said ......
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or maybe from the monkeys of Par Vollen as Sten implied....

Wait, what? What does Fel say that would suggest that?

[straykat]

I don't remember it, but I kind of sped through ME.

[Lunatica]

Wait, what? What does Fel say that would suggest that?

Somewhere in the Masked empire he implied that there was no one aside from the elven race in the world and that the elves were the first race to appear,so either humans descended from spirits like the elves or from the elves themselves.

[straykat]

Somewhere in the Masked empire he implied that there was no one aside from the elven race in the world and that the elves were the first race to appear,so either humans descended from spirits like the elves or from the elves themselves.

 

Then he got mutilated by his own teacher. Take his words with a grain of salt, I say

[ArcadiaGrey]

 

it is a dwarf Inquisitor?

I'm unable to make one equally beautiful.

 

 

Yep, and she's made with the basic CC, no mods.

 

Here's a photo if you want to try and re-create her...

 

[Qis]

The world is The Fade, another level of dream.

 

Dwarves are dream creatures, that's why they don't dream.

[Aren]

There still isn't much known about human origins.

 

Out of the blue is the answer.

[straykat]

The world is The Fade, another level of dream.

 

Dwarves are dream creatures, that's why they don't dream.

 

As long as it's the type of dream I can punch people in, I guess it's OK.

 

 

 

Out of the blue is the answer.

 

Then that would make them the most interesting then.

[Qis]

As long as it's the type of dream I can punch people in, I guess it's OK.

 

 

 

 

Then that would make them the most interesting then.

 

It's like The Matrix, the Agents are creatures of The Matrix, they look like real, everything in The Matrix look like real.

 

When Dwarves died, they say "return to the stone". They bury their dead in the stones. Dwarves return to the very nature of themselves, the stones.

 

Human burn their dead, i guess "burning" means human are not a part of the world. Andraste herself "magically" going to "heaven" being with The Maker while her body "burned"

 

Elves bury their dead and plant a tree on the grave, maybe Elves want to be a part of the world, always living on the dream land...

 

Qunari just let their corpse rot and don't care...beause the body is a "cage" and no longer use when dead

[German Soldier]

The world is The Fade, another level of dream.

 

Dwarves are dream creatures, that's why they don't dream.

The world isn't the fade is the fade that is part of the world for everyone which is not a dwarf.

Dwarves are kinda  like creatures of the stone rather than a dream  but i admit to not know what their "stone" is.

 

 

 

Then that would make them the most interesting then.

Spirits also came out of the blue but you don't find them interesting for what i recall..

[Aren]

 

 

Qunari just let their corpse rot and don't care...beause the body is a "cage" and no longer use when dead

I believe  Qunari were just an experiment.

[Qis]

I believe  Qunari were just an experiment.

 

Maybe it's like Avatar....human, Elves and Qunari are spiritual beings living on other planets just using body suit in Thedas, but Dwarves are from Thedas.

[Ranadiel Marius]

The conclusion that I have taken from the sum total of the currently known lore is that the Fade is essentially the natural state of the world. The Unchanging World (as it was referred by the Elvhes) is a product of "close" proximity to Titans.

Presumably, the Titans are a natural occurance. It isn't clear why Titans change the Fade around them to be stable, but my guess (based on my recollection of Cole's description of Templar powers) is that the will of the Titans is essentially creating "normal" physics. So to change the Unchanging World, you have to overpower the will of a Titan. I assume Lyrium retains a portion of the will and that the Veil was made using lyrium to expand the scope of the Titan's will (which is why lyrium helps mages pierce the Veil).

[Ahriman]

Somewhere in the Masked empire he implied that there was no one aside from the elven race in the world and that the elves were the first race to appear,so either humans descended from spirits like the elves or from the elves themselves.

Wasn't he talking about Tedas? Some sources imply that humans came from other continent.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

I think the natural state of the world is something like that (there is even the fade!)with a Titan under the world to sustain it like the greek myth.

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[Donquijote and 59 others]

Wasn't he talking about Tedas? Some sources imply that humans came from other continent.

Humans need the fade otherwise they become mentally severed which mean they belong to the fade and they go there when they die.

[Ahriman]

Humans need the fade otherwise they become mentally severed which mean they belong to the fade and they go there when they die.

Losing physical body is even more severing for them, you know.

This whole thing seems like a religious debate, but such connection to fade wasn't an issue when there was no Veil. Since soul and body existed in one dimension back then. Humans and elves could be "amphibians" in sense that they used both sides of reality, while dwarves were more like "fish" and could touch only physical part.