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[German Soldier]

Oh, we're arguin' opinion 'ere are we?! Oooool'righ, I'm in!

 

Pokemon Crystal > TW3 & DA:I

 

 

Yellow>Crystal

[fhs33721]

Oh, so CDPR is now stealing concepts?

Waht do you mean with now? They have been doing it right from the start.

I mean, their entire "The Witcher trilogy is" basiclly CDPR's very own Geralt fanfiction, playing in the same world as the Witcher-books.

But fortunately it falls into the 1% of actually good fanfiction for the most part.

[Fiskrens]

Waht do you mean with now? They have been doing it right from the start.
I mean, their entire "The Witcher trilogy is" basiclly CDPR's very own Geralt fanfiction, playing in the same world as the Witcher-books.
But fortunately it falls into the 1% of actually good fanfiction for the most part.

Huh? Basing - licensing - games on popular books (they were, in eastern Europe) is now "fanfiction"? I think a lot of authors out there would object to those terms.

[fhs33721]

Huh? Basing - licensing - games on popular books (they were, in eastern Europe) is now "fanfiction"? I think a lot of authors out there would object to those terms.

As far as I'm concerned, that's exctly what it is. Fanfiction. CDPR is using charcters and a world they didn't originally create themselves and tells a story with them. How is this not fanfiction? Note however that I do not see that as negative. The witcher trilogy are all pretty good to fantastic games that i like very much and I don't care that they are (highly competent) fanfiction.

[Fiskrens]

As far as I'm concerned, that's exctly what it is. Fanfiction. CDPR is using charcters and a world they didn't originally create themselves and tells a story with them. How is this not fanfiction? Note however that I do not see that as negative. The witcher trilogy are all pretty good to fantastic games that i like very much and I don't care that they are (highly competent) fanfiction.

You're using the term way much broader than I ever could. I see fanfiction as strictly non-commercial. But I get what you mean, and it's not what this thread is about, so I'm all for leaving this issue.

[Kabraxal]

If Touissant is anything like Novigrad then it'll be another generic town that is uninspiring and a boring drag to have to wall through.

But I won't be playing it anyway since TW3 failed to impress me enough to want to punish myself with DLC filled with the same things I already didn't like much. Guess that means DA:I has it beat in DLC too. But then, DA:I was always the better game in my opinion.

[vbibbi]

As far as I'm concerned, that's exctly what it is. Fanfiction. CDPR is using charcters and a world they didn't originally create themselves and tells a story with them. How is this not fanfiction? Note however that I do not see that as negative. The witcher trilogy are all pretty good to fantastic games that i like very much and I don't care that they are (highly competent) fanfiction.

So BG1 and BG2 is fanfiction? It's set in the Forgotten Realms, which Bioware did not create, and has multiple characters from books in it like Elminster and Drizzt.

[Donk]

As far as I'm concerned, that's exctly what it is. Fanfiction. CDPR is using charcters and a world they didn't originally create themselves and tells a story with them. How is this not fanfiction? Note however that I do not see that as negative. The witcher trilogy are all pretty good to fantastic games that i like very much and I don't care that they are (highly competent) fanfiction.

You are aware that just about every single movie ever made is based off of a book?

Not only movies, but some TV series (Dexter, True Blood etc)?

Not to mention all of the comic book film adaptations. Jeez, all these nasty unoriginal fanfiction creators

[fhs33721]

So BG1 and BG2 is fanfiction? It's set in the Forgotten Realms, which Bioware did not create, and has multiple characters from books in it like Elminster and Drizzt.

I have never played those, but sounds like I'd consider it fanfiction. KOTOR and SWTOR are fanfiction too as far as I'm concerned.

 

You are aware that just about every single movie ever made is based off of a book?

Not only movies, but some TV series (Dexter, True Blood etc)?

Not to mention all of the comic book film adaptations. Jeez, all these nasty unoriginal fanfiction creators

Well, a movie based on a book is mostly just retelling the same story (with some differences sometimes) in another medium, so no that's not even fanfiction because it's still the very same story.

Also you seem to be under the false assumption that I mean the term fanfiction in any negative way. I do not. I do not automatically link fanfiction to being unoriginal. That was only you putting words into my mouth. I'm on the opposite a huge fan of "commercial fanfiction" for franchises that I like (as long as its good) since it often means I get more stories about that franchise.  I just don't think that having an official license to use someone elses characters and worlds somehow magically makes it not fanfiction.

[WardenWade]

Toussaint sounds fun   Incidentally, I would have loved having Milva and Regis in TW3 somewhere too.  Cahir and Yarpen too, for that matter...basically the whole hansa, if it were feasible.

[Dutch's Ghost]

Having played both games I think DA I is the better one. Across the board in almost every way and the ways Witcher is better then DA I is things I really do not care about. However: I do love both games and it is a close matchup in some of them.

In what way? Let's start with side quests. Name me 1 quality side quest (and by quality I mean not fetch, use of cinematic conversations, camera angles, lots of dialogue) and I'll name you 20 from the Witcher 3.

[Dutch's Ghost]

Beauclair is better than Novigrad. Funny how CDPR gave us three beautiful well realized cities and Bioware gave us NOTHING!

[Dutch's Ghost]

If Touissant is anything like Novigrad then it'll be another generic town that is uninspiring and a boring drag to have to wall through.

But I won't be playing it anyway since TW3 failed to impress me enough to want to punish myself with DLC filled with the same things I already didn't like much. Guess that means DA:I has it beat in DLC too. But then, DA:I was always the better game in my opinion.

You're objectively wrong. We can go into semantics and discuss how and why tw3 is superior to DAI in several areas. And hey, how many towns/cities did we get from DAI?

Bioware have yet to do a proper city. What a disappointment.

[The Elder King]

In what way? Let's start with side quests. Name me 1 quality side quest (and by quality I mean not fetch, use of cinematic conversations, camera angles, lots of dialogue) and I'll name you 20 from the Witcher 3.

To be fair, he stated that TW3 was better in graphics, side quests and the portrayal of Novigrad, regardless of the fact he thinks DAI is better.

 

If Touissant is anything like Novigrad then it'll be another generic town that is uninspiring and a boring drag to have to wall through.

But I won't be playing it anyway since TW3 failed to impress me enough to want to punish myself with DLC filled with the same things I already didn't like much. Guess that means DA:I has it beat in DLC too. But then, DA:I was always the better game in my opinion.

 

 

You're objectively wrong. We can go into semantics and discuss how and why tw3 is superior to DAI in several areas. And hey, how many towns/cities did we get from DAI?

Bioware have yet to do a proper city. What a disappointment.

 

I wonder when people will realize this is a pointless discussion. Even if one game is better then the other, not everyone will agree on this, because based on their values the latter game might be better for them compared to the others. It's a discussion what will never end.

 

Anyway, while I do agree on Bioware not doing yet a proper city, Inquisition itself wasn't meant to be focused on having many cities or villages. Though they could have given us a better portrayals of those we got.

[Gold Dragon]

In what way? Let's start with side quests. Name me 1 quality side quest (and by quality I mean not fetch, use of cinematic conversations, camera angles, lots of dialogue) and I'll name you 20 from the Witcher 3.

 

The Three quests from the Healer in REdcliffe/Crossroads (A common Treatment, An Advanced Treatment, a Rare Treatment) weren't too bad (esp since you are likely to have almost all the ingredients with you at the start).  Under Her Skin ANd Before the Dawn were also well done.

 

That's 5, so now name the 100 Quests from the Witcher 3.

[The Elder King]

The Three quests from the Healer in REdcliffe/Crossroads (A common Treatment, An Advanced Treatment, a Rare Treatment) weren't too bad (esp since you are likely to have almost all the ingredients with you at the start).  Under Her Skin ANd Before the Dawn were also well done.

 

That's 5, so now name the 100 Quests from the Witcher 3.

Not that I particulary care about this topic, but aren't the healer quests in Redicliffe basically fetch quest? I don't see how they can be considered good side quests.

I do think the comparison Dutch made is ridicolous since there were more then 3-4 good side quests in DAI (though I still think they were too few), but fetch quests, I generally don't think they are examples of good side quests, no matter the game.

[Al Foley]

You're objectively wrong. We can go into semantics and discuss how and why tw3 is superior to DAI in several areas. And hey, how many towns/cities did we get from DAI?

Bioware have yet to do a proper city. What a disappointment.

...Who cares?  I mean as great as Novigrad was its really a mark against the game, granted a pretty good mark none the less, where the only thing I thought was especially outstanding about it was 'it had a great city'.  I loved both games, kinda feel like having to chose which one is my favorite child when trying to compare the two.  But I enjoy and enjoyed DA I a lot more then Witcher 3.  

[Kabraxal]

You're objectively wrong. We can go into semantics and discuss how and why tw3 is superior to DAI in several areas. And hey, how many towns/cities did we get from DAI?

Bioware have yet to do a proper city. What a disappointment.

Says the poster continuing the lie of the magical, mystical superiority of TW3's sidequests... When 90 percent of them are "go here, get info, go to x, follow red trail, kill or pick up x" filler style and the one quest that is always touted is actually not a side quest since it is part of pushing the main quest forward...

You can like TW3 all you want, but don't spout the BS about that generic dark fantasy, repetitive "fetch" like quest laden game being objevtively better. That is what bothers me. Especially when the "facts" you bring up have been ripped to shreds over the past. year. Go play TW3 while the rest of us enjoy DA:I.

[MisterJB]

Toussaint is SO Orlesian that there is someone in the audience composing a ballad while I am still fighting the monster in the arena.

[MisterJB]

Go play TW3 while the rest of us enjoy DA:I.

Can I play both? I'd like to play both.

[Kabraxal]

Can I play both? I'd like to play both.

That was to Dutch... Who seemingly lives to troll DA fans.

[The Hierophant]

Says the poster continuing the lie of the magical, mystical superiority of TW3's sidequests... When 90 percent of them are "go here, get info, go to x, follow red trail, kill or pick up x" filler style and the one quest that is always touted is actually not a side quest since it is part of pushing the main quest forward...

You can like TW3 all you want, but don't spout the BS about that generic dark fantasy, repetitive "fetch" like quest laden game being objevtively better. That is what bothers me. Especially when the "facts" you bring up have been ripped to shreds over the past. year. Go play TW3 while the rest of us enjoy DA:I.

The only difference between DAI's and TW3's is that the latter's sidequests are more varied with a little more depth on average. Plus the game being fetch quest laden is a Dutch's Ghost level of exaggeration. Minus Gwent card, and Witcher gear hunts there's not much. Just a crap load of ? mark POIs on the maps.

[Jedi Comedian]

It's A Sackfull of Fluff all over again...

...but at least that one was fun.

[The Hierophant]

Toussaint is SO Orlesian that there is someone in the audience composing a ballad while I am still fighting the monster in the arena.

My one issue is that Touissant's based on France and we didn't get to fight a cheese monster. Missed oppurtunity.  At least we got a cheese dungeon.

 

Hopefully DA4 isn't gimped like DAI due to the ps3's/360's hardware holding it back. Val Royeaux was bust but here's to hoping that Minrathous will be fully rendered in all it's glory.

[Dutch's Ghost]

Says the poster continuing the lie of the magical, mystical superiority of TW3's sidequests... When 90 percent of them are "go here, get info, go to x, follow red trail, kill or pick up x" filler style and the one quest that is always touted is actually not a side quest since it is part of pushing the main quest forward...

You can like TW3 all you want, but don't spout the BS about that generic dark fantasy, repetitive "fetch" like quest laden game being objevtively better. That is what bothers me. Especially when the "facts" you bring up have been ripped to shreds over the past. year. Go play TW3 while the rest of us enjoy DA:I.

DAI main quests also follow a similar formula. The only fetch quests in Tw3 are the Witcher gear hunts and gwent collection. 75% of the side content in DAI is painfully visible fetch quests.