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[Pasquale1234]

I completely understand how important they are and the work they put in, my father was a Master Chief USCG.  Often times new officers, lieutenants, are led around by their sr. nco's, sergeants and chiefs.

Cool.
 

But the differences of an nco commanding a squad or even platoon to an O-4 who would likely be commanding a battalion is huge.  Going from 30 grunts to 500 and all the paperwork, delegation, planing, and political bs would be to much for her to start with.

But some people do make such "leaps" in responsibility, both in the military and civilian life. And we don't really know what her role was.

That part really isn't so different from Kaidan going from a junior-ish officer commanding noone in ME1 to being responsible for the entire Biotic division later on.
 

Ashley is an Operations Chief at the time of ME2, Horizon mission and afterwards if you talk to Anderson he will address her this way.

Well, that part I hadn't remembered. So much for any theorizing as to how it could possibly happen, because that rate of promotion is, you know, insane.

Apparently, the writers decided to make her a Spectre candidate in ME3, so they waved their wand and gave her the same rank Shepard was when s/he became a Spectre.

[bunch1]

But some people do make such "leaps" in responsibility, both in the military and civilian life. And we don't really know what her role was.

That part really isn't so different from Kaidan going from a junior-ish officer commanding noone in ME1 to being responsible for the entire Biotic division later on.
 

Kaidan was a Staff Lieutenant, O-3, at the start of ME and seemed assigned to the marine unit aboard the ship, Shepard is the XO for the ship and the marines like those stationed at the door or help unloading the bomb need their own division head to report to.  In ME2 he had been promoted Staff Commander, O-5.  So the promotion to Major, O-6, at the start of ME3 and assignment to command a new unit isn't that unreasonable.

 

 

Well, that part I hadn't remembered. So much for any theorizing as to how it could possibly happen, because that rate of promotion is, you know, insane.

Apparently, the writers decided to make her a Spectre candidate in ME3, so they waved their wand and gave her the same rank Shepard was when s/he became a Spectre.

The funny thing is rank, age, sex, specious, none of that matters when it comes to Spectres.  Anyone who is qualified and approved by the council automatically becomes above the law and no rank will matter anymore except the title of Councilor as they are the only ones in the galaxy who have any authority over them.  I always thought Shepard allowed the alliance to detain him/her and the real reason they don't court martial the commander is simply because they cant charge a spectre with any crime.

[Pasquale1234]

The funny thing is rank, age, sex, specious, none of that matters when it comes to Spectres.

No, not once the candidate has been accepted as a Spectre.

But in order to get a candidate appointed by the Council, you need to make them look good on paper. A higher rank would help with that.

[bunch1]

No, not once the candidate has been accepted as a Spectre.

But in order to get a candidate appointed by the Council, you need to make them look good on paper. A higher rank would help with that.

I think they look more at accomplishments.  It wasn't Shepard's rank that got their attention, but their history as someone who could do what others couldn't or wouldn't do.

[aoibhealfae]

Ashley's rank is about the the same as a Staff Sergeant(E-6} in ME1 and in ME2 on Horizon. If anything I would've promoted her to Sergeant First Class(E-7). This is Biowares military. The Alliance. So they can promote her from E-1 to O-10 if they really wanted to.  Whatever.

 

As I said above. Their ranking system is lame. They call Samantha Traynor a Specialist, but that rank doesn't exist according to their ranks. A specialist is an E-4 the same rank as a Corporal. If anything they should've just given her the rank of Lieutenant

 

Somehow the rank exist in SWTOR's chain of command

 

Imperial-Republic Navy/Army

Private

Specialist

Corporal

Petty Officer/Sargeant

Ensign

Lieutenant

Captain

Group Captain/Major

Commodore/Colonel

Admiral/General

 

Meanwhile, Commander is an honorary title reserved for commanding officers.

 

But I think Traynor is a civilian contractor rather than the military. Then again, the Alliance Systems consisted of many nations and colonies, nearer to UN/NATO military. The ranks are an oversimplification.

[themikefest]

But I think Traynor is a civilian contractor rather than the military. Then again, the Alliance Systems consisted of many nations and colonies, nearer to UN/NATO military. The ranks are an oversimplification.

A civilian contractor is not given a military rank.

[Pasquale1234]

I think they look more at accomplishments.  It wasn't Shepard's rank that got their attention, but their history as someone who could do what others couldn't or wouldn't do.

Uh-huh.

But if a candidate's accomplishments haven't inspired their sponsoring organization to give them more responsibility and authority within the sponsoring organization, why would the Council even consider making them a Spectre?

[bunch1]

But if a candidate's accomplishments haven't inspired their sponsoring organization to give them more responsibility and authority within the sponsoring organization, why would the Council even consider making them a Spectre?

Does the council wants a elite black ops agent or a commanding officer?  I just checked the mass effect wiki to see what they said about Anderson's spectre candidacy and it seems to point to him being a lieutenant at the time of his partnership with Saren.  That puts him at most, O-3.  Not a high ranking officer but a highly capable agent and so worth looking into.

[aoibhealfae]

A civilian contractor is not given a military rank.

 

Its still an enlisted rank right? Somehow I think Traynor joined the Alliance after what happened on Horizon. Like still brand new newbie. Shepard didn't exactly treat her like a subordinate.

[Pasquale1234]

Does the council wants a elite black ops agent or a commanding officer?  I just checked the mass effect wiki to see what they said about Anderson's spectre candidacy and it seems to point to him being a lieutenant at the time of his partnership with Saren.  That puts him at most, O-3.  Not a high ranking officer but a highly capable agent and so worth looking into.

Which has exactly what to do with whether Udina might push Ashley's rank to make her look better on paper as a Spectre candidate? Nothing.

I really don't understand why you insist on arguing about this. Ashley's promotions seem to be way out of line with what most people would expect - so much so, that it has been a topic of discussion on these boards multiple times. All I'm trying to do is suggest possible reasons for it.

But I think I'm pretty much finished here.

[bunch1]

Which has exactly what to do with whether Udina might push Ashley's rank to make her look better on paper as a Spectre candidate? Nothing.

I really don't understand why you insist on arguing about this. Ashley's promotions seem to be way out of line with what most people would expect - so much so, that it has been a topic of discussion on these boards multiple times. All I'm trying to do is suggest possible justifications for it.

But I think I'm pretty much finished here.

A promotion to lieutenant would have been more then enough to get the council's attention, eg Aderson.  As it stands he doesn't even bring up making her a spectre until after the reapers have arrived and the council needs more agents.  The alliance had promoted her to lt. commander before that for their own crazy reasons.

[themikefest]

Its still an enlisted rank right? Somehow I think Traynor joined the Alliance after what happened on Horizon. Like still brand new newbie. Shepard didn't exactly treat her like a subordinate.

Specialist is an enlisted rank. It has nothing to do with being a civilian contractor. She joined the Alliance when they offered her a full scholarship because of her high scores and she didn't have money for university. I would guess she's been part of the Alliance for at least 7 years or more.

[KotorEffect3]

I always use the whole spectre thing as a way to justify it in my head since being spectre kind of makes rank irrelevant.  I also like to think that maybe alliance brass told Kaidan off screen that as far as the Normandy and it's mission were concerned that Shepard was still in command and Alenko was there to offer assistance.  Really they shouldn't have given him that many promotions.

[StarcloudSWG]

Specialist is an enlisted rank, or in the navy, she might be a warrant officer if I've read things correctly; In the military, has a rank, but is not a line officer and does not command anything.

[Daemul]

Back in ME1 Shepard can make a note of how it makes no sense for Ashley to be given the crappy assignments she has been due to her spotless record and amazing technical scores, before he finds out about the whole family name blacklisting thing. So I've just always assumed that the Alliance gave Ashley the rank she would have been if she had been treated fairly and not had her family name blocking her progress, basically it was an apology.

 

Also to comment on another discussion above, I'm pretty sure that rank isn't really considered for being a Spectre, you just need to have either a military or law enforcement background, though you probably will find that the cops and soldiers who get called up to the Spectres are those with the most experience, and thus those with the higher ranks, with the exception of prodigies like Saren, who became a Spectre at age 20.

[bunch1]

Back in ME1 Shepard can make a note of how it makes no sense for Ashley to be given the crappy assignments she has been due to her spotless record and amazing technical scores, before he finds out about the whole family name blacklisting thing. So I've just always assumed that the Alliance gave Ashley the rank she would have been if she had been treated fairly and not had her family name blocking her progress, basically it was an apology.

Shepard I believe states that she should be serving in the fleet, not assigned to a garrison on some backwater world.  The fleet is considered the better assignment and better soldiers should be placed there as they respond to threats across alliance space.  It was fleet marines who liberated Shanxi, tried to aid Mindor, who came to Elysium to drive off the blitz, who respond to the missing colony on Akuze, conducted the Theshaca Raids, and lead the assault on Torfan.  Her family blacklisting may have kept her from becoming an officer and if they wanted to make up for that they could try to fast track her, take time off of time in service requirements, but she would still have to go O-1 to O-5 or she would just be a chief with a honorary rank but no duties because she wouldn't know how to be an officer.

 

 

Also to comment on another discussion above, I'm pretty sure that rank isn't really considered for being a Spectre, you just need to have either a military or law enforcement background, though you probably will find that the cops and soldiers who get called up to the Spectres are those with the most experience, and thus those with the higher ranks, with the exception of prodigies like Saren, who became a Spectre at age 20.

Well, if they only wanted the most experienced they would only take Asari.  They and the Krogan are the only specious capable of having hundreds of years of training and experience while also still having hundreds of years of active service left.  Salarians would of course have almost no chance if this was a key factor as they only live for about 40 years but we know of at least 2 spectres.  I think experience and rank factor in, but only on a low level compared to a candidates skill, record, and mindset.

[XxX_DogeID_XxX]

Technically, Shepard's official rank in the trilogy is "Spectre Shepard" and "Agent Shepard". Which you hardly heard anyone refer Shepard either. 

 

In SWTOR, you have trooper being promoted every chapter or so from Sargeant, Lieutenant, Captain and Major. Honestly, I don't feel attachment to them as I did with being called Commander.The rank structure is similar to the ones in ME, then again, they're probably written with the same template. But the title "Commander" is an honorary title for those in command. Which annoys me when The Outlander automatically being referred as Commander by everyone post-Chapter 9. It made sense for Trooper maybe but Bounty Hunter, Smuggler, The Wrath of the Empire... mmm

Lmao after I found out jennifer hale voices the female trooper I opened a Femtrooper and called her "Commanderr"