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[Obliviousmiss]

Of course, when I said DAO style I meant it would have silent protagonist.

 

In Mass Effect????!!!!!!?????!!!!!!

 

[KaiserShep]

Sure, but in these discussion, you can be certain that the silent protagonist is as likely to become a part of the ME franchise as Puerto Rico is to pay off its debts anytime soon, so that doesn't really get anywhere. So anything regarding multiple races is absolutely going to be at odds with the limitations of dialogue that can be recorded.

[Commander Rpg]

In Mass Effect????!!!!!!?????!!!!!!

Sure. As long as voice-acting costs are prohibitive and inhibit the possibility of choosing a different sentient race from a limited set, in a universe that swarms with foreign/alien races, it will be stupid to rely on the current politics just for the sake of the "mono-human-babbling protagonist".

[LightningPoodle]

2 - You could play any damned available race they would give you

 

You can play any damned available race they give you now! And it just so happens it's only humans. Deal with it! You are a human being. The writers are human beings. Every f-ing person who will play this game is a human f-ing being! Why do you hate your own kind you damn... racists?!

[UpUpAway]

I would never expect that, but if the voice acting was limited only to important dialogues, with the very recommended option of making the protagonist silent

 

1 - The game would cost very much less to be dubbed

2 - You could play any damned available race they would give you

 

And they say the videogame market is for the greedy... I wonder which is the most intelligent company, a company that can make profits succeeding in selling garbage, or a company that can make profits using wit and creativity.

 

Don't answer, it's rhethorical, just think at the umpteenth smartphone/mp3-reader/misc. device you have bought for the second time in a year, despite it being practically a copy of the former, or even a worthless technological piece of junk, and be deeply ashamed.

 

... and I would rather have completely voiced dialogue and limit the selection of the PC to 1 species... neither preference has anything to do with racism, BTW... nor does it boil down to video game companies forfeiting quality for greed.  If, as an RPG player, you are entiitled to prefer silent characters and get some sort of thrill out of playing a different species then I am as entitled to prefer voiced characters and playing as my own species.  It is only our OPINION which method is of a higher quality than the other.  I think the actual voicing of characters was a major improvement... you think the reverse... no racism or greed involved.

[Commander Rpg]

You can play any damned available race they give you now! And it just so happens it's only humans. Deal with it! You are a human being. The writers are human beings. Every f-ing person who will play this game is a human f-ing being! Why do you hate your own kind you damn... racists?!

It's fun to pretend to be someone else in a fantasy game, especially if it's a game where different intelilgent beings abound. My D&D characters are 99% related to the elven race.

[Obliviousmiss]

Sure. As long as voice-acting costs are prohibitive and inhibit the possibility of choosing a different sentient race from a limited set, in a universe that swarms with foreign/alien races, it will be stupid to rely on the current politics just for the sake of the "mono-human-babbling protagonist".

 

My point was..... "Big Stupid Jellyfish" the way Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale said that can't be replaced with.....silence. 

 

Mass Effect is voiced. 

 

Since Krogans, Turians, Salarians, and all other aliens sound different than human, it'd be pretty horrific cost-wise to NOT have the protagonist be only human. 

 

[Commander Rpg]

... and I would rather have completely voiced dialogue and limit the selection of the PC to 1 species...

You can prefer to eat your own crap too, it doesn't mean I have to eat it too. My choice doesn't shatter yours, yours does with mine.

[sjsharp2011]

Does the multiplayer have a campaign? No? Then it's not the same thing. 

seems pretty much the same thing to me granted i tdosen't have a story behinjd it as such but it does moer or less have everything else I believe. Based on what I've seen of it.

[In Exile]

1/10. You didn't even use the you humans are all racist line.

[Vortex13]

Personally, I find that the main campaign will be better suited keeping the protagonist a single species. Dilute the character options too much, and the story will have to watered down and homogenized to be able to encompass so many possible outlooks; case in point being the Inquisitor from the latest Dragon Age, compared to Shepard in ME 1.

 

To go back to the DA:I example, my Dwarf Inquisitor was essentially just a short human with a beard. He had no sense of dwarven culture about him, and had to have the facets of his own society explained to him by the humans. Do we really want to see a playable Asari character stand dumbfounded when another Asari goes "By the Goddess" and then ask what the other meant by that? Because that is the kind of watered down character you would be getting if the game had to account for people being other aliens. 

 

 

Keep the single player narrative concise and focused. Use the multiplayer to let players charge into battle as other alien species. I will say though, that I will be immensely disappointed if the multiplayer is (again) restricted to only humanoid aliens when there are numerous example of non-humnoid aliens working with the PC in single player (the Rachni, Elcor, Hanar, etc.).

[NRieh]

 

It's fun to pretend to be someone else in a fantasy game, especially if it's a game where different intelilgent beings abound. My D&D characters are 99% related to the elven race.

....Which are basically 'pretty-faced immortal\long-lasting humans with pointy ears'.

 

How about trying out something like Gelatinous cube, Ooze or Beholder, hmm?

No? So, who's a boring racist now?  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

seems pretty much the same thing to me granted i tdosen't have a story behinjd it as such but it does moer or less have everything else I believe. Based on what I've seen of it.

No it doesn't. It doesn't have story, choices, dialogue, interactions, or anything. The only thing they share is combat, and combat is not why I play ME.

[Vortex13]

....Which are basically 'pretty-faced immortal\long-lasting humans with pointy ears'.

 

How about trying out something like Gelatinous cube, Ooze or Beholder, hmm?

No? So, who's a boring racist now?  

 

 

Yeah it's always funny when players call for species/race selection and all they amount to is a literal texture swap in some cases. 

 

I don't want to play as that human or that human knock-off with pointy ears and/or a bushy beard. I want to play as that spirit possessed tree, or as that highly intelligent dog.

 

I don't want to play as that human with rubber prosthetics glued to their forehead, I want to play as that insectoid alien species, or that alien that evolved on a planet with five times the Earth's gravity. 

 

 

At least give me something different, something unique if you are going to go with multiple PC options.

[Panda]

You don't have to play with white guy though in ME1-3 if you don't want to..

 

I'm all for playing with alien protagonist, but claiming anyone is racist for only having human protagonists is not going to take this thread in positive places.

[yolobastien6412]

I want to play as a Krogan. I dont want to play as another Shephard with no personality.

 

Bioware with all their progressive PC banter still will only allow you to play as a white man/woman with different shade of color and I think its backwards thinking and not progressive at all. Especially when we already played 3 games as a boring human already!

 

I am sorry, but who is this racist against? The aliens we haven't met yet? Also, humans are not a race, but a species. It's like saying that you hate spiders is racist. Please focus on the real race issues instead of this.

[UpUpAway]

You can prefet to eat your own crap too, it doesn't mean I have to eat it too. My choice doesn't shatter yours, yours does with mine.

 

... and that is precisely my point.  The fact that you are inclined to call my choice "crap" indicates the reverse of your last sentence.  My choice doesn't shatter yours... but you want "shatter" (i.e. diminish) mine with yours.  There is a persistent trope present here that gamers who prefer action elements and voicing in RPGs are somehow less RPG enthusiasts as those who want Bioware to eliminate the action elements and voicing from their RPGs... and that by not doing so, they are just giving in to greed; but there are those of us who actually like the sub-genre of Action-RPGs and see nothing wrong with Bioware producing more of them.  Ultimately, what direction they want to take their company is their choice to make... If it makes them money, they stay in business.  It has no bearing on whether or not I will or will not enjoy ME:A.

 

Voicing the game increases the cost and increasing the number of species the PC can be, if it is to be done correctly, would vastly increase the demand for different voicings of the game... thereby increasing the cost of producing the game astronomically.  I would rather forfeit enabling the player to play as multiple species and keeping the voice acting than forfeit the voice acting to enable the player to play as multiple species.  I would also prefer to play as a human than play as another species where the NPCs have to explain my own history and lore and behavior to me throughout the game.

[Squish]

I think I'll be okay.

[Helios969]

The way it should be. Humanity #1.

[Iakus]

So I guess the lesson here is it's better to play a krogan with no personality than a human with no personality.

 

Or something 

[10K]

In the words of a great philosopher: "Everything is sexist, everything is racist, everything is homophobic, and you have to point it all out."

[Dalinne]

In the words of a great philosopher: "Everything is sexiest, everything is racist, everything is homophobic, and you have to point it all out."

 

Sexiness everywhere!!! Ou yeaaaa

[capn233]

I'm fine with human protagonist.

 

Of course if you had coop single player, some people could play as non-human companions.

[Fogg]

I want to be able to go back to Kota ánd Johto ánd Hoenn ánd Sinnoh ánd Unova EVERY GAME!!!!111!! Give the fans whay they want!!11!!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I want to be able to go back to Kota ánd Johto ánd Hoenn ánd Sinnoh ánd Unova EVERY GAME!!!!111!! Give the fans whay they want!!11!!

That would be an amazing Pokemon game.