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[Catilina]

This feeds into the many threads here about gay KISA, badass gay characters, etc. I think Bioware, and all game companies, will play the straight romances safe, which makes sense from a business perspective. The majority of consumers will be straight, even if they won't necessarily play romance content or if they do it's not guaranteed it will be the straight content.

 

But it's safer to keep traditional romance tracks for straight characters and if there is any non-traditional romance or "controversial" romance option, it will be through the gay option. LGBT are already used to less content and are generally going to be less likely to raise a stink if the content we receive is not our ideal. Yes we're going to voice our opinions, but I think LGBT options are still a recent enough thing that we don't want to seem ungrateful for getting any content, even if it's not our ideal.

 

Compare that to the complaints about Cassandra and Josephine as the straight male options...

 

 

I will say that I'm glad that at least Sera was allowed a happy ending with the wedding in Trespasser. She and Cullen were the only ones, so that was a nice change. And to be fair, straight females could potentially only have one happy ending with Cullen, if

Spoiler

Bull was loyal to the Qun, Blackwall returned to the Wardens and died, and Solas was...Solas.

 

(Therefore sad that there is no one happy ending M/M romance either in the game.)

 

With male Qunari I do not see anything wrong in the Bull romance... But true, it will not be my favorite (far enough away from it). And I can understand anyway to disturb someone.

 

(In the Inquisition I dont have fav m/m romance [thats why I choosed Cassandra for my Trevelyan]. Fenris and Anders are still my favorites. Perhaps the next DA...)

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I like the IB romance for what it is, a Dom/sub arrangement. If it really upsets you, I understand that too, kink isn't for everyone. Still if you read a Dominant's Creed (there are some online) and assume Bull adheres to that, then it's a good thing. I just assume it's a consensual relationship that follows the rules, he does give you a safe word so, I have to assume he follows the rest of the rules of a standard BDSM contract and, that's a good relationship for those that are into it.

 

True it isn't for everyone, some people have ideals and/or morals and values that conflict with such relationships but, there's nothing wrong with it if that's your thing.

[Wulfram]

I found the romance better experienced than the impression I got when people talked about it. Its got enough schmoopy parts which I guess is what I tend to like. Though I do think the initial conversation is a bit presumptuous on Iron Bull's part.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

I want to see real action and not that aftersex monologuing crap.

[lynroy]

Watch a porno.

[PapaCharlie9]

On the other hand, most fairly mainstream examples I've seen all involve a male sado/dominant basically telling a perspective female partner (and male for the Inquisitor) that they'll be the maso/submissive every time, and then basically say, "accept these terms or no relationship at all."

Quoted for truth, though there is a recent exception that refreshingly breaks that pattern: Billions on HBO. They got other stuff wrong, like confusing psychotherapy with life-coaching, so nothing is perfect, but bonus points for depicting a femdom as more than a caricature.

[Vilegrim]

I like the IB romance for what it is, a Dom/sub arrangement. If it really upsets you, I understand that too, kink isn't for everyone. Still if you read a Dominant's Creed (there are some online) and assume Bull adheres to that, then it's a good thing. I just assume it's a consensual relationship that follows the rules, he does give you a safe word so, I have to assume he follows the rest of the rules of a standard BDSM contract and, that's a good relationship for those that are into it.

 

True it isn't for everyone, some people have ideals and/or morals and values that conflict with such relationships but, there's nothing wrong with it if that's your thing.

 

 

the problem raised wasn't in it being a dom/sub arrangement. it was in his claim to know why the Inq was a sub, with no option to say..erm hell no. 

[DarkAmaranth1966]

the problem raised wasn't in it being a dom/sub arrangement. it was in his claim to know why the Inq was a sub, with no option to say..erm hell no. 

You could say no and thus end the romance. Same as if you were talking to a real life Dom and decided to end it before you played so, to me that is a moot point.

[Hellion Rex]

Loved Bull romance. Only change I might make is to have the rules discussion at the very beginning, before any sex. That said, the argument could be made that the very first time was merely sex and had no Dom/sub stuff involved and so wasn't something Bull would bring up until the next time.

[Sah291]

She just personally isn't fond of that one line where he claims to know that you're into a specific kink and that he knows the reason why ("You're in charge of a large organization, so I know that you need someone to be in charge of you in bed to take a load off!") and it irked. And... yeah, I can see where she would feel that way.

Hmm, I think you may be right.

To me, the issue with that line is that it seems aimed at an Inquistitor who feels like they are in a position of power/control, and that wouldn't necessarily apply to all Inquisitor characters.

I appreciate though that not all companions/romances can be everything to everyone. And that other characters might be more compatible with your Inquisitor.

The fact that there is only an option to refuse or accept sends a good message, I think, in the sense that it sometimes is better to decline an offer than to force compromises neither party is happy with. The Inquisitor is not obligated in any way to have a relationship with Bull on his terms only.

As you pointed out, some of the other characters have preferences and ultimatums as well...like Sera with religion. Or Cass with wanting romance. I think they were just trying to make companions more dynamic, with their own goals, views, etc, instead of always accepting any Inquisitor just because you want to romance them.

[PCThug]

Hmm, I think you may be right.

To me, the issue with that line is that it seems aimed at an Inquistitor who feels like they are in a position of power/control, and that wouldn't necessarily apply to all Inquisitor characters.

I appreciate though that not all companions/romances can be everything to everyone. And that other characters might be more compatible with your Inquisitor.

The fact that there is only an option to refuse or accept sends a good message, I think, in the sense that it sometimes is better to decline an offer than to force compromises neither party is happy with. The Inquisitor is not obligated in any way to have a relationship with Bull on his terms only.

As you pointed out, some of the other characters have preferences and ultimatums as well...like Sera with religion. Or Cass with wanting romance. I think they were just trying to make companions more dynamic, with their own goals, views, etc, instead of always accepting any Inquisitor just because you want to romance them.

I agree and I also appreciate that Patrick Weekes wanted to try something different with a romance. Even if every character was opened for all races and genders, some players would not find a romance they liked.

 

But I will add my voice to those who hate the tired super-spy-knows-all-about-everyone trope. As someone who has surprised people once they got to know me and has been surprised by people, it's a lame idea.

[vbibbi]

I agree and I also appreciate that Patrick Weekes wanted to try something different with a romance. Even if every character was opened for all races and genders, some players would not find a romance they liked.

 

But I will add my voice to those who hate the tired super-spy-knows-all-about-everyone trope. As someone who has surprised people once they got to know me and has been surprised by people, it's a lame idea.

 

Especially since Bull himself is conflicted over his own identity with the Qun. So yeah, most of the time he can be on point and know "what people want" even if they don't know it. (stops himself from gagging).

 

But he's not infallible, and he's going through his own crisis right now, so he's bound to misstep once in a while. But the game never allows him to be anything less than correct.

[Qun00]

Wait, we get to enslave men now? Where do I sign up?!

You're missing the best part: Their eyes are blindfolded so they can't rape with their gaze, their mouth is sewn shut so they can't rape with their words and the penis is cut off for the safety of all.

Sareebas in Qunlat.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Watch a porno.

[Andraste_Reborn]

You're missing the best part: Their eyes are blindfolded so they can't rape with their gaze, their mouth is sewn shut so they can't rape with their words and the penis is cut off for the safety of all.

Sareebas in Qunlat.

 

I just want them to mow my lawn and wash my dishes. I am pretty sure they would need to be able to see for that.

[Qun00]

You are a kind arvaarad.

[General TSAR]

Meh, an opinion by a nobody.

 

Next.

[thepiebaker]

I'm convinced the extremists within the feminist movement will attack anyone or anything. I've witnessed a guy be accused of rape because of a case of flatulence because apparently a natural (and funny) bodily function both sexes are equally capable of is a method of oppression.

[ArcaneEsper]

I'm convinced the extremists within the feminist movement will attack anyone or anything. I've witnessed a guy be accused of rape because of a case of flatulence because apparently a natural (and funny) bodily function both sexes are equally capable of is a method of oppression.

 

I'm not trying to start anything but like...did you read the article? 

[Melyanna]

Misleading thread title is misleading. (And click-baity).

EDIT / PS: at this rate we will be able to collect some interesting statistics about how many people on average read the actual content VS how many just read the title and comment.

[Bizantura]

There was a time that agreeing in disagreeing was the norm.

 

Now a days if you read something you don't agree with one is automatically offended beyond belief and begins ranting.

 

I must be getting old.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

There was a time that agreeing in disagreeing was the norm.
 
Now a days if you read something you don't agree with one is automatically offended beyond belief and begins ranting.
 
I must be getting old.

That's true of what you said.

[Vilegrim]

You could say no and thus end the romance. Same as if you were talking to a real life Dom and decided to end it before you played so, to me that is a moot point.

 

 

To the reason, to the psycho babble analysis of your characters REASONS for being a sub you couldn't, you can say 'no' to being a sub, but not 'hell no I am not a sub because of being powerful'

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Feminists are amusing sometimes.

[Patchwork]

My problem with the Iron Bull relationship is that he has an opinion about why Quizzy is submissive in bed and there's no option to say "nah I've liked being bossed around in bed way before people started calling me the Herald of Andraste"  According to his armchair psychoanalysis the moment they stop being the Inquisitor vanilla sex is all they're going to want. It's dumb, I hate his presumptions and the lack of options we as players get in the dialogue.    

 

This conversation should have been like Solas and the vallaslin in that you get choices- you can express your characters thoughts and feelings then whether to keep the tattoo or not.