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[drummerchick]

EXACTLY: every day could be their last: thats why romances work better than marriage.

 

You marry someone you PLAN to live long with, therefore, you marry someone who has demonstrated in a long timelapse to be an excelent/perfect life partner. As and I said, ME time(unlike Skyrim) doesnt suit for marriages, and forcing it sounds more like a desperate "15 year old princess's illusion" mentality fantasy(not criticizing it, some people love that fantasy and mentality).

Clearly, you've never seen "The Brady Girls Get Married." One week is long enough for some people.  

[Battlebloodmage]

Marriage is really just an artificial construct designed to kind of "capture" women and put them in extended imprisonment so that typical men won't have to worry about them leaving for other men, fueled by their own sense of inadequacy as a partner. Not saying women can't do it men though, of course, I think some are rather eager to get in on that action... 

 

It's as sure a modern form of slavery as there is.... 

But then other people want to get gay marriage where both partners are the same sex, and there are people who have open marriage. There are many practices that have negative connotations in the past but that doesn't mean that it's what we see it as in its current form. 

[Seraphim24]

But then other people want to get gay marriage where both partners are the same sex, and there are people who have open marriage. There are many practices that have negative connotations in the past but that doesn't mean that it's what we see it as in its current form. 

 

It's true, Marriage of today is not like Marriage of the past, but I suspect so long as we have the institution of "marriage" we shall also have at least remnants of it's histories. 

 

The better solution would be to abolish the institution entirely, IMHO. I suspect that will just happen gradually anyway. 

[Shinobu]

In the US marriage is becoming a luxury affordable only by the upper middle class and rich people, so it is in decline.

 

I don't think marriage is unrealistic in Andromeda. Part of colonization is populating the region being colonized. Weddings don't require one to spend hours trying on gowns. I could see a lot of soldiers going for the Vegas style spur of the moment wedding.

 

Serving with one's spouse could be difficult depending on what regulations are in place, though.

[Teabaggin Krogan]

Marriage is really just an artificial construct designed to kind of "capture" women and put them in extended imprisonment so that typical men won't have to worry about them leaving for other men, fueled by their own sense of inadequacy as a partner. Not saying women can't do it men though, of course, I think some are rather eager to get in on that action... 

 

It's as sure a modern form of slavery as there is.... 

Oh lawd..

[Seraphim24]

Oh lawd..

 

I think some people honestly like that dynamic of an extreme lack of freedom though, it's the ability of those people to respect others differences though that's the issue. 

[fizzypop]

As part of the ending? I wouldn't mind it.

[Teabaggin Krogan]

I think some people honestly like that dynamic of an extreme lack of freedom though, it's the ability of those people to respect others differences though that's the issue. 

It doesn't always have to be an extreme lack of freedom and hugely depends on the people in question, so saying all marriages are akin to slavery is rather unfair. 

[Seraphim24]

It doesn't always have to be an extreme lack of freedom and hugely depends on the people in question, so saying all marriages are akin to slavery is rather unfair. 

 

Hey! I recognize that comment!

 

Oh yeah it's the one I was just discussing with Bloodmage   

[Cyonan]

Marriage is really just an artificial construct designed to kind of "capture" women and put them in extended imprisonment so that typical men won't have to worry about them leaving for other men, fueled by their own sense of inadequacy as a partner. Not saying women can't do it men though, of course, I think some are rather eager to get in on that action... 

 

It's as sure a modern form of slavery as there is.... 

 

It's designed to imprison women so that the man won't run away.

 

Seems legit.

[Seraphim24]

It's designed to imprison women so that the man won't run away.

 

Seems legit.

 

Well I didn't say anything about anyone running away, it just reflects this extreme paranoia about the possibility of the woman leaving so they designed their respective societies to ensure that there would be no possibility that the receiving end of the situation would be able to do anything than acquiesce to them in all substantial matters. 

 

But honestly, a lot of women fervently support this notion and want it that way. Moreover, a reversal of the situation is also possible. 

 

Anyway, as I say the problem is such people dealing with people that don't want to live that way.. such problems have caused many wars and conflicts... 

 

I think one of the reasons you see Marriage declining though is also a recognition that capital monetary slavery is sort of the primary means of controlling such females/males, you don't really need institutions to control people when you have the almighty dollar, which works in much more nebulous and obscure ways.. 

 

As I say though, again, problem is oftentimes not that people seem to want that situation, but their inability to recognize people who want to live differently. 

 

Well and the fact that using global economic and societal forces to support your own psychological projection and misinterpretations of the world is completely insane, highly wasteful, and ensuring we are stuck in the Stone Age. 

 

Actually pretty sure things were better in the Stone Age. 

[Seraphim24]

I should also add that the "Patriarchy's" attempt to "fix" their own problems has been about as bad if not infinitely worse than all their problems. You can't fix a problem you are part of. 

[Teabaggin Krogan]

Hey! I recognize that comment!

 

Oh yeah it's the one I was just discussing with Bloodmage   

And yet you have clearly missed the point even with the implied repetition. Passing off your personal load of baloney in the form of extreme generalizations is the height of delusion. Can't say that it's not amusing to watch though. 

[Battlebloodmage]

[Seraphim24]

Well a lot of this is pretty messed up, we could have a totally different society and organization and all sorts of things. It probably wouldn't even be problematic for people who wanted that kind of extreme one dimensional relationship to continue having them, but for now they resist anyone's interest in changing the systems to something else. 

 

Whether people don't like that fact or not, it's the truth. 

[The Real Pearl #2]

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[KaiserShep]

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But isn't that how Sauron got the idea? 

 

[Remix-General Aetius]

Love and marriage.....love and marriage.......

 

[Oldren Shepard]

I'd like that if it has a impact on the main story and more depth in the relationship, like if the actions of the main character goes against the moral of the love interest that make an impact depending on the stage of the relation between them.

[Cyonan]

Well I didn't say anything about anyone running away, it just reflects this extreme paranoia about the possibility of the woman leaving so they designed their respective societies to ensure that there would be no possibility that the receiving end of the situation would be able to do anything than acquiesce to them in all substantial matters. 

 

But honestly, a lot of women fervently support this notion and want it that way. Moreover, a reversal of the situation is also possible. 

 

Anyway, as I say the problem is such people dealing with people that don't want to live that way.. such problems have caused many wars and conflicts... 

 

I think one of the reasons you see Marriage declining though is also a recognition that capital monetary slavery is sort of the primary means of controlling such females/males, you don't really need institutions to control people when you have the almighty dollar, which works in much more nebulous and obscure ways.. 

 

As I say though, again, problem is oftentimes not that people seem to want that situation, but their inability to recognize people who want to live differently. 

 

Well and the fact that using global economic and societal forces to support your own psychological projection and misinterpretations of the world is completely insane, highly wasteful, and ensuring we are stuck in the Stone Age. 

 

Actually pretty sure things were better in the Stone Age. 

 

Being the ones holding all of the power and wealth, men didn't exactly have a hard time of controlling women before marriage.

 

Marriage is a case of religion stepping in and using fear of sin to control people. In this case it was done to keep both people around since, as just mentioned, the men held all the power and wealth. A woman having a man leave her would leave her without a means to make a living.

 

It also wasn't a bad solution given the variables of the time. Those variables have changed and now marriage is in decline as a result. Many men actually view not getting married as a safeguard. Once you remove all the romanticism from it then it is, like I said, "betting somebody half your stuff they'll love you forever".

 

Things were better in the Stone Age if you enjoyed an average life span of about 35, potentially dying from any sickness or injury, and greatly reduced survival odds for childbirth.

[ZipZap2000]

It will be frowned upon on the Ark. The magistrate doesn't endorse this outdated behaviour. Use your cerebral stimulators to satisfy upwelling animal needs.
PSA: Any illegal offspring will be terminated.

I wanna travel on this ship. The one without miniature squishies crying the whole way.

[Thermopylae]

If people want Marriage in an RPG, then why not? Skyrim does it, you know, after 100s of hours of playing, or maybe just using the amulet thing. It doesn't have to be called Marriage, you could have a classic scene where the LI does research on human customs and insists on engaging in public holidays, religious festivals and Marriage, and gets the rituals wrong. It could be a way of introducing the concept of falability of the NPC's advice/ information about local cultures. The resident Xeno-biologist/ Anthropologist provides critical advice but also gets the concept of Halloween so very wrong etc. Rituals could be introduced as parallels to Earth customs etc. 

 

Also if it introduced "Married with Children" scenarios, with the player making Al Bundy type decisions, that would be hilarious.

[Catastrophy]

I wanna travel on this ship. The one without miniature squishies crying the whole way.

I hope this does not include Hamster...?

[ZipZap2000]

I hope this does not include Hamster...?

Gotta eat somethin.

[Thermopylae]

I think the argument about things being better in the "Stone Age" or Paleolithic is to do with property relations, and how the current institution of Marriage, at least in the Western world (Christian) is tied to the transmission of property and the creation and maintenance of a lineage, traced in European Christian cultures patrilineally. The idea being that in the absence of property, there is a primitive form of a "communal" society, where property distinctions and social role were less controlled by gender, and thus more fair. There are theories of a Paleolithic/ Neolithic Matriarchal organization of society prior to Patriarchal organization of society, but I consider these theories to be over generalized and suspect, and related to ideologies based in the 19th century. They do posit some interesting theories about what was seen as powerful and modes of organizing social groups and not every society has a patriarchal organisation of society associated with property ownership. 

 

I prefer Antibiotics and Electricity, still I can appreciate the sentiment.