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[Seraphim24]

Being the ones holding all of the power and wealth, men didn't exactly have a hard time of controlling women before marriage.

 

Marriage is a case of religion stepping in and using fear of sin to control people. In this case it was done to keep both people around since, as just mentioned, the men held all the power and wealth. A woman having a man leave her would leave her without a means to make a living.

 

It also wasn't a bad solution given the variables of the time. Those variables have changed and now marriage is in decline as a result. Many men actually view not getting married as a safeguard. Once you remove all the romanticism from it then it is, like I said, "betting somebody half your stuff they'll love you forever".

 

Things were better in the Stone Age if you enjoyed an average life span of about 35, potentially dying from any sickness or injury, and greatly reduced survival odds for childbirth.

 

What is power though, what is wealth? 

 

"Wealth" and "Power" are the elements of civilization, what is civilization? It is the absence of conflict, warfare, and the ability to live consensually... it's also the things people build. 

 

How were people able to build the pyramids and make the great relief paintings and sculptures and all that?

 

In order to control something, someone has to create it, it wasn't the "Patriarchy." It was people male, female uniting in society.. 

 

The lifespan in the Stone Age was low because of problems at child-birth, once people made it to age 10 or 15 or something the average lifespan doubled, and yes exceeds that in many countries today. 

 

But what was the "Stone Age" or "Neolithic?" It's identified by the megaliths, among other things, things that people actually built and shaped with their own hands. 

 

You say they "Hold all the power and civilization" do they? Can you really ever hold something you don't create? Sure it's in your yard, you can fiddle about with it, but you don't hold the power that created it, you just hold the symbol of it. 

 

Because they don't realize that a symbol is only as valuable as the power animating, we have endless, war, conflict, waste of lives and energy. 

[Donk]

Oh ffs

[Mikael_Sebastia]

I don't see how a marriage could be used meaningfully in the ME universe, be it related to a plot, themes, gameplay or story.  Previous installments utilized their fair share of romantic relationships and family related story elements, but I don't remember there being much on marriages, except that some couples were apparently married. I don't recall any importance or even attention being shed on the issue. Like was being  a married couple somehow different from being an unmarried couple. Or what being married entitled or what kind of an institution marriage was. They didn't seem to be too keen on emphasizing it then, so extrapolating from that I guess it's pretty meaningless in the ME lore (or there isn't much if any difference in being a couple or a married couple). Probably quite comparable to the current postmodern European marriage institution.

 

DA universe as an example is much more fertile ground for marriages in my opinion, because they have so much more impact and meaning, which goes further than just the romance story arc. It's something that can make or break kingdoms. I guess, that the most ME:A can offer with a marriage is some sort of a squueish emotional fulfillment for a romance arc. Nothing inherently wrong with that, but it's not something I'd particularly desire for.

 

If it's just used as a backdrop for a romance scene with LI, I'd be pretty indifferent honestly. I couldn't see much qualitative difference between it or any other similar sequence. I wouldn't wish for it or be against it, no more than let's say for a romantic canoeing scene. Unless it's executed totally ridiculously, then pretty much everything else from a dialog to voice acting would have more impact on me.

[d1ta]

Yes yes yes yes yes. They've done it in DAI and I just love it

Condition for marriages in game:

1. Optional
2. Assorted reactions ranging from happily accept / yes but not now/ don't need it to stay in love / politely decline / run away from it like a bat from hell and hop on to the next train

[Hammerstorm]

What is power though, what is wealth? 

 

"Wealth" and "Power" are the elements of civilization, what is civilization? It is the absence of conflict, warfare, and the ability to live consensually... it's also the things people build. 

 

How were people able to build the pyramids and make the great relief paintings and sculptures and all that?

 

In order to control something, someone has to create it, it wasn't the "Patriarchy." It was people male, female uniting in society.. 

 

The lifespan in the Stone Age was low because of problems at child-birth, once people made it to age 10 or 15 or something the average lifespan doubled, and yes exceeds that in many countries today. 

 

But what was the "Stone Age" or "Neolithic?" It's identified by the megaliths, among other things, things that people actually built and shaped with their own hands. 

 

You say they "Hold all the power and civilization" do they? Can you really ever hold something you don't create? Sure it's in your yard, you can fiddle about with it, but you don't hold the power that created it, you just hold the symbol of it. 

 

Because they don't realize that a symbol is only as valuable as the power animating, we have endless, war, conflict, waste of lives and energy. 

 

Ahh, this is probably not worth it but:

 

Well, the pyramids was built as a grave.... So I assume that the rich all powerful guy (the pharaoh) told his minions subjects that he wanted it and it had to be BIG so he could show off. And his minions subjects build it with slaves and free men.

 

And all civilization is built because there is a person/group that take the power and lead the other sheep's peoples. 

[Monk]

If people want Marriage in an RPG, then why not? Skyrim does it, you know, after 100s of hours of playing, or maybe just using the amulet thing. It doesn't have to be called Marriage, you could have a classic scene where the LI does research on human customs and insists on engaging in public holidays, religious festivals and Marriage, and gets the rituals wrong. It could be a way of introducing the concept of falability of the NPC's advice/ information about local cultures. The resident Xeno-biologist/ Anthropologist provides critical advice but also gets the concept of Halloween so very wrong etc. Rituals could be introduced as parallels to Earth customs etc. 

 

Also if it introduced "Married with Children" scenarios, with the player making Al Bundy type decisions, that would be hilarious.

 

Yes! And the whole marriage ceremony bit gets mixed up with frat parties so instead of saying vows, the new partners share a beer bong.

[DarthLaxian]

Hey,

 

I'd have no problems with this being included....wait for it:

 

IF I can elect NOT to get married (without negative consequences!)...it might just be me, but I am against marriage in any way, shape or form (don't like the concept at all (and neiter do I like its history and implications!)...why should a divorce lawyer get my hard earned cash if my relationship doesn't work out anymore? Why does the state need to know if I am in a relationship? Why do I need to fork over a lot of cash to get married in the first place? Why should anybody get some of my money (or why should I get some of their's if they are the wealthier party) just because we had a relationship once? Nope, nope, nope!)

 

If someone wants some cutscenes etc. for a wedding? No problem at all, unless it confers unfair bonuses which I can't get otherwise because I am not getting married, not even in a game!)

 

greetings LAX

[Battlebloodmage]

Hey,

 

I'd have no problems with this being included....wait for it:

 

IF I can elect NOT to get married (without negative consequences!)...it might just be me, but I am against marriage in any way, shape or form (don't like the concept at all (and neiter do I like its history and implications!)...why should a divorce lawyer get my hard earned cash if my relationship doesn't work out anymore? Why does the state need to know if I am in a relationship? Why do I need to fork over a lot of cash to get married in the first place? Why should anybody get some of my money (or why should I get some of their's if they are the wealthier party) just because we had a relationship once? Nope, nope, nope!)

 

If someone wants some cutscenes etc. for a wedding? No problem at all, unless it confers unfair bonuses which I can't get otherwise because I am not getting married, not even in a game!)

 

greetings LAX

To be fair, you're using marriage the divorce in the U.S. when compared to Asia, the divorce rate is very low and people tend to stay with each other for life. 

 

I doubt there will be a bonus, but it would be nice if they refer to you as your wife or husband or some alternate changes in dialogues. It just has a nice ring to it. There shouldn't be any bonus to gameplay to go along with it. 

[Cunning Villain]

What is power though, what is wealth? 

 

"Wealth" and "Power" are the elements of civilization, what is civilization? It is the absence of conflict, warfare, and the ability to live consensually... it's also the things people build. 

 

How were people able to build the pyramids and make the great relief paintings and sculptures and all that?

 

In order to control something, someone has to create it, it wasn't the "Patriarchy." It was people male, female uniting in society.. 

 

The lifespan in the Stone Age was low because of problems at child-birth, once people made it to age 10 or 15 or something the average lifespan doubled, and yes exceeds that in many countries today. 

 

But what was the "Stone Age" or "Neolithic?" It's identified by the megaliths, among other things, things that people actually built and shaped with their own hands. 

 

You say they "Hold all the power and civilization" do they? Can you really ever hold something you don't create? Sure it's in your yard, you can fiddle about with it, but you don't hold the power that created it, you just hold the symbol of it. 

 

Because they don't realize that a symbol is only as valuable as the power animating, we have endless, war, conflict, waste of lives and energy. 

 

I can't remember the last time I read so much which said so little.

[Thermopylae]

If Bioware included a divorce storyline with each LI, with associated consequences, that would be hilarious. In a space opera. I may briefly search Skyrim for divorce scenarios.

 

I can't remember the last time I read so much which said so little.

 

Actually, it does show a similar direction to Foucault or perhaps reading about Power Knowledge theory. The point being power occurs through relations with people (my take away from undergraduate papers), is constituted through the activities of people and its important not to mistake the symbol for the reality. Of course I prefer to discuss blue space strippers and the concept of marriage, apparently. Actually II wonder what that means.

[dreamgazer]

Only if we can also get divorced, receive divorce papers because the spouse gets upset over something either major or minor, force the PC to have to pay alimony, and split every possession of the PC's down the middle in the divorce proceedings (obviously, taking away all of the best gear). 

[ui876will]

Yeah,I guess it could be a nice addition to the game...

[Battlebloodmage]

Only if we can also get divorced, receive divorce papers because the spouse gets upset over something either major or minor, force the PC to have to pay alimony, and split every possession of the PC's down the middle in the divorce proceedings (obviously, taking away all of the best gear). 

Only scrubs don't sign a pre-nup before marriage. 

[prosthetic soul]

I'd like to think Tim Burton has the right idea.  He doesn't do "marriage."  He has an exclusive LIFE PARTNER

[Shinobu]

I'd like to think Tim Burton has the right idea.  He doesn't do "marriage."  He has an exclusive LIFE PARTNER

I believe that's HAD an exclusive life partner.

[SKAR]

Just got out from bioware prison and we're back to talking about marriages? Hmmm...... interesting.

[Dalinne]

Only if we can have a bachelor's party interrupted by your enemies Citadel-dlc-style and at the end you have a very intimate ceremony with your best and most beloved squad members while the corpses of your enemies remain on the floor.

 

What can I say? I'm a romantic 

[prosthetic soul]

I believe that's HAD an exclusive life partner.

Damn, didn't hear about that. 

[Shinobu]

Damn, didn't hear about that. 

 

Well, they lasted 13 years, which is over 3x as long as the average marriage in the US, so good on them.

[SKAR]

Johnny Depps marriage to amber heard didn't last long. Pity.

[Monk]

While it might be a little much to be able to choose the kind of bonding that occurs initially – marriage, life partners, etc. – it would be cool to see it integrated later in either ME, DA or other series.

 

 

Johnny Depps marriage to amber heard didn't last long. Pity.

 

Seems Depp's gotten a case of Mel Gibsonitus, which is unfortunate.

[Remki]

As long as it was completely optional (meaning that I could continue having an LI without having to take the marriage option to continue the romance) and available to all genders (i.e. not just female PC's marrying male NPCs) then I think it would be cool. I agree with a couple earlier statements, I really wanted to have marriage as an option with Josephine (playing a fem character) and was pretty sad that wasn't included, since of any LI in the DA series she honestly felt like the one it would be most natural with.

 

That being said, I'd reiterate that I wouldn't want marriage in-game at all if it meant that it was a kind of romance bottleneck that was required for certain characters to advance. I think Trespasser did it really well-- it was at the end of the game in a DLC, so it added a level of closure that was completely optional and didn't get in the way of the main story, and also made sense in timing. Putting the option in like an end-game, Citadel-style DLC in like ME5 or ME6 would be pretty cool I think.  

[10K]

Personally I wouldn't see marriage fitting into the game. As far as we know you're trying to find a new home for humanity, possibility waring with unknown species. What time will there be to get married; to have a ceremony. It seems pointless and a waste of time. I'm not in favor of it.

[BloodyMares]

What is the point of marriages anyway? Especially in 22nd century (or even further into the future). It doesn't add any value to a relationship itself.

[Pasquale1234]

What is the point of marriages anyway? Especially in 22nd century (or even further into the future). It doesn't add any value to a relationship itself.

There are a couple of things I can think of, though they are largely based on what we consider marriage to be in this day and age (which could be quite different in the future).

-- It's a declaration to the world that you plan to spend the rest of your life with another person. Traditional wedding ceremonies are public events, requiring the couple to make vows to each other in front of an entire community of witnesses.

-- The couple is recognized as family (next of kin) under the law, eligible for whatever benefits that entails.