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[Lulupab]

Because she doesn't make an appearance in the games, maybe some people don't know her. So you can check the wiki:

 

http://dragonage.wik...Maevaris_Tilani

 

 

I think its very convenient for her to be a companion or adviser in next game, because of her large involvement with Tevinter plot. Actually she is very much like pre-inquisition Cassandra at this point, while there was no anime focused on her, she has made enough presence on comics. 

 

If she does appear, some people will no doubt would want to romance her, and I leave that decision to Bioware. But its possible that she won't be a romance option, she is a widow who really loved her husband. So in a sense she will be Vivienne of next game. Not sure about her age at this point, but I think she would around 40 in next game assuming it starts right after events of DA:I.

 

She is obviously a mage, and if I remember correctly one with healing potential. So that can fit in the game as well. Not to mention her alliance with Dorian in creating the Lucerni, she just fits so well into the story.

 

Lastly I simply made this thread because I want to know how people will react to her making a presence as an important character in next DA games, because she can be controversial depending on how Bioware handles it.

[The Ascendant]

Strong possibility. If handled with care and maturity. I think she would be the adviser, being a more senior magister and therefore more seasoned politician than Dorian. 

[Illyria]

She got a couple of War Table missions in DAI and appears in Dorian's epilogue in Trepasser.  Plus, she's got a major role in the comics and is connected to Varric through marriage.  I think BW are setting her up for a major role.  I'm hoping she'll be a companion, but I'd be happy if she's an advisor figure.  Just as long as she gets a major role.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I'd be delighted to see Mae as a companion or advisor in next game. (My preference is for companion, with Dorian holding the Lucerni fort while she's wandering Tevinter wtih you.)

 

I'm sure some people would complain, but who cares? People complained about Krem, and BioWare show no signs of regretting the decision to put him in the game.

[MissOuJ]

I would absolutely love to see her in a major role in future game(s)! Companion, adviser, other major NPC... I'm happy with anything, although having her as a companion would be really awesome - but then again there's have to be a good reason why she'd leave her position in the Magisterium behind. But since it was been sort of strongly implied that the next game will take place (at least party) in Tevinter, I'm hopeful we'll see her in the next game in some form at least.

[Hellion Rex]

Sure, I'd love to see her in some advisory role. She seems like a really interesting character and I'd like to see her in a big role.

[Andromelek]

My bets are that she'll be an advisor, as she is the veteran politician and would make more sense having the new one (Dorian) wandering with us.

[Mistic]

Controversial is good. Bioware loves it from time to time. If anything, they're probably thinking it would be yet another reason to include her.

 

And there are other reasons too. As others have said, she had a very important role in the comics, she was mentioned in war table missions and she appeared in Trespasser's epilogue. She practically has a label that says "potential DA4 character".

 

My guess is that she may be a NPC, an advising position, but the idea of her being the Vivienne of DA4 isn't far-fetched either. If you combine it with the possibility of Calpernia coming back, it could be the source of some interesting dialogues.

[raging_monkey]

Yes please and li

[thats1evildude]

Who would voice her? Would you get a female VA or a MtF transgender actor? Because she should sound like Mae West either way.

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=FJS670okmZc

[thats1evildude]

I'd personally rather have Calpernia as a party member, and I have a sneaking suspicion Mae would replace one of the female LI options. Which, sorry, isn't for me, and I would have to protest that.

[Andromelek]

I'd personally rather have Calpernia as a party member, and I have a sneaking suspicion Mae would replace one of the female LI options. Which, sorry, isn't for me, and I would have to protest that.

Indeed, I wouldn't be happy with that either, DAI only allowed two options for straight males, the only reason of why I didn't grow mad was because I was pleased with Cassandra's romance.

[CuriousArtemis]

Companion, maybe, but no more "advisors." Those were pretty much a waste and could've served just as well as companions. Ultimately they contributed to us having TWELVE characters to try and get to know, which is why most of them were pencil thin in terms of characterization and story.

[BansheeOwnage]

I'd be delighted to see Mae as a companion or advisor in next game. (My preference is for companion, with Dorian holding the Lucerni fort while she's wandering Tevinter wtih you.)

 

I'm sure some people would complain, but who cares? People complained about Krem, and BioWare show no signs of regretting the decision to put him in the game.

I agree, I'd love to see her as a companions and would rather that that as an advisor, personally. This would also make sense since Dorian was already a companion and can now take the role of "magister who advises us" while Mae can take the role of "magister who travels with us and informs us about Tevinter stuff". I'd imagine she'd be sort of like Cass and be a bit of a hybrid advisor/companion as well.

 

I really, really hope Bioware includes her in a satisfying, mature way though, because I have to admit I'm not sure they will (not sure just means not sure, not that I don't think they will). I think they could have done better with Krem, and I hope they do for Mae.

 

I'd also like her to be a romance option, but I'd probably never romance her since she appears to be straight.

 

Who would voice her? Would you get a female VA or a MtF transgender actor? Because she should sound like Mae West either way.

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=FJS670okmZc

A good question. I think Bioware has said they'd like to have a transgender VA do it, but I could be wrong. A trans VA wouldn't have actually worked for Krem since transmen have their voices lowered with testosterone like in puberty. Transwomen aren't so lucky however and have to train their voices themselves, so they could have a transwoman voice her.

 

I can't imagine there are many professional VAs who are transwomen, but I'm sure Bioware could find someone if they wanted. Personally I'm pretty neutral about whether they do or not, especially since some transwomen don't even sound noticeably different from ciswomen anyway.

 

I'd personally rather have Calpernia as a party member, and I have a sneaking suspicion Mae would replace one of the female LI options. Which, sorry, isn't for me, and I would have to protest that.

No, she wouldn't be replacing a female LI option, she'd be one. I think that would be totally fair, especially given there have been tons of romance options that "really haven't been for me" but I don't complain... much    I mean, Bull is pretty niche in many ways, Blackwall and Solas lie to you, etc. And it's usually the women who get the short end of the romance stick, so, eh...

 

She is a recent widow though, so they could easily not make her an option, or they could make it uneven like DA:I and have 3 female options for males. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Mistic]

Indeed, I wouldn't be happy with that either, DAI only allowed two options for straight males, the only reason of why I didn't grow mad was because I was pleased with Cassandra's romance.

 

Weren't there two options for straight males in DA:O (Morrigan and Leliana) and DA2 (Merrill and Isabela) too?

 

In any case, I see that issues may arise regarding romance options with Maevaris.

 

She is a recent widow though, so they could easily not make her an option, or they could make it uneven like DA:I and have 3 female options for males. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

A solution like that would probably prevent some headaches for Bioware. Actually, it would be fairly interesting if she was a gated romance option, not unlike Cullen or Solas in DA:I. But this time, only Dwarves can romance her (her husband was a Dwarf, after all).

[Andromelek]

Weren't there two options for straight males in DA:O (Morrigan and Leliana) and DA2 (Merrill and Isabela) too?
 
In any case, I see that issues may arise regarding romance options with Maevaris.
 

I mean that on DA:I females have 4 straight options and males only 2, on DA2 also were more straight options for females, but since Sebastian was a DLC, I can see why people often forget him.

[Mistic]

I mean that on DA:I females have 4 straight options and males only 2, on DA2 also were more straight options for females, but since Sebastian was a DLC, I can see why people often forget him.

 

I know, but that means the problem wasn't that they "only allowed two", but the comparative grievance

[Yumakooma]

Sure, why not, they could be in the next game quite easily if everybodies assumptions are correct in where and when the next game is set.

 

I don't care if they are a romance option or not, that shouldn't be a factor on if they put her into the next game! Before people start concerning themselves with who they romance next game lets actually hope everything else is solid with the plot and character first romance should be the last thing they write in for characters in my opinion (and I remember reading that Solas and Cullen were both written in as romances quite late, during the one year delay... if true, that would show its a successful way for writing their romances so far).

 

I probably seem a bit touchy on the subject but I just don't think people should let romances cloud their opinion on which characters should be added and not.

[nightscrawl]

I'd love for Mae to be in the next game in some capacity. I'd really like to interact with her and also see her and Dorian interacting with each other. It would be great.
 
In past threads I've said that I want her to be a LI, but really, I'd be pleased with just having the character in the game. The comic appearance whet my appetite and I'd like to see her in different situations.
 
 

Not sure about her age at this point, but I think she would around 40 in next game assuming it starts right after events of DA:I.

That's how old Cassandra was... I like having mature women running around being badasses.
 
 

A good question. I think Bioware has said they'd like to have a transgender VA do it, but I could be wrong. A trans VA wouldn't have actually worked for Krem since transmen have their voices lowered with testosterone like in puberty. Transwomen aren't so lucky however and have to train their voices themselves, so they could have a transwoman voice her.
 
I can't imagine there are many professional VAs who are transwomen, but I'm sure Bioware could find someone if they wanted. Personally I'm pretty neutral about whether they do or not, especially since some transwomen don't even sound noticeably different from ciswomen anyway.

 
If we set aside the VA and actor representation and just focus on the actual sound of the voice, I find these kind of remarks a bit misplaced. There are cis women who have naturally husky voices, just as there are cis men who have naturally higher voices; this is how they were born. And of course many VAs can alter their voices, just as Jennifer Hale did with Krem, and Sumalee (huge range, this one) did for the fem Inquisitor.

 

Of course, that's not to say that they shouldn't hire a transwoman VA if the opportunity presents itself, but I don't think that should be the primary criteria. I don't actually think it would. Bioware is known for the quality of their VAs, so I think they would pick the right person for the job, whoever they are.

 

 

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As far as a romance goes, if Bioware makes that choice, I don't think they will be able to win in any capacity. They could have a transwoman write her and there would still be trans people saying they don't like the depiction. It's not a hive mind; all people of a minority group don't think the same way about themselves or how they are represented in media.

 

So really, if Bioware is going to go for it, then I think they should just go for it, with as much care and sensitivity as possible, and stick with their choice regardless of the inevitable backlash.

 

I'll be sad knowing that David Gaider is not writing her. Dorian too, for that matter. Ah well...

Modifié par nightscrawl, 22 mai 2016 - 09:00 .

[AresKeith]

I'd personally rather have Calpernia as a party member, and I have a sneaking suspicion Mae would replace one of the female LI options. Which, sorry, isn't for me, and I would have to protest that.

 

Indeed, I wouldn't be happy with that either, DAI only allowed two options for straight males, the only reason of why I didn't grow mad was because I was pleased with Cassandra's romance.

 

Who said she would be a romance to begin with?

[Hellion Rex]

I think that narrative wise, Mae shouldn't be romanceable as she seemed to still be deeply in love with her late husband, and I think it'd be a disservice to her character.

[Cz-99]

I don't really care for her one way or the other, but then again I haven't read the comics. The wiki didn't do much to interest me in her either, but because of it I now like Aurelian Titus.

 

That being said, I'm all for adding characters from the comics, as long as they're done right and made interesting in the games. Having that additional background info on 'em is nice, but I shouldn't have to access other media in order to actually care about the character.

[Boost32]

No, she wouldn't be replacing a female LI option, she'd be one. I think that would be totally fair, especially given there have been tons of romance options that "really haven't been for me" but I don't complain... much    I mean, Bull is pretty niche in many ways, Blackwall and Solas lie to you, etc. And it's usually the women who get the short end of the romance stick, so, eh...

It's very different, none of those were a trans man and you have only one "cis" (really dislike this word) woman. If we only have 2 female romance and one of those is a trans woman, then I would have an issue with it.
It's very different the LI not been there for you and one being trans, you might not have any issue with it, but I and others have.

[nightscrawl]

I think that narrative wise, Mae shouldn't be romanceable as she seemed to still be deeply in love with her late husband, and I think it'd be a disservice to her character.

 

It all depends on how it's written. People can love more than one person in their lives...

 

It would be interesting, and a bit different, if it were to draw out over the course of the whole game. Many of the romances thus far have been pretty straight forward and formulaic in that the PC expresses some sort of interest, there are quests, and then the couple is together.

 

With Mae, they could start it out in a similar way and even have her flirting in a playful manner, much in the same way that Dorian does with a female Inquisitor. Later on, if there is a serious, confession-type of scene, she could explain her feelings in relation to Thorold and so on. Near the end of the game, she might then realize that this is something that she wants, or wants to try, and even present it that way.

 

If you're dealing with a LI who has lost a spouse or a partner, I think it can be presented in a tasteful manner that does respect to the past relationship. It doesn't have to be that the LI said to have lost someone, and then just appears to forget all about them as they fall for the special snowflake PC.

 

Also, with regard to Mae specifically and being transgender, having them come together as a couple late in the game could be a way for Bioware to sidestep them actually having sex, so the player can headcanon that however they want.

 

Finally, although they are different in personality, Mae is similar to Vivienne in many ways -- both are mature, experienced, female mages who have (had) a partner and then lost him. It would seem trite to use that same device to also prevent the same type of character from being a romance, as they did with Vivienne. This is especially the case since they have an opportunity to have a trans romance with Mae -- a potentially very likable character -- and I don't think they should pass it up.

 

 

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I should add that, while I would like her to be a romance option, I won't be surprised if she isn't one.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 22 mai 2016 - 10:33 .

[BansheeOwnage]

 

A solution like that would probably prevent some headaches for Bioware. Actually, it would be fairly interesting if she was a gated romance option, not unlike Cullen or Solas in DA:I. But this time, only Dwarves can romance her (her husband was a Dwarf, after all).

That's an interesting idea, although I'm not overly fond of gated romances in general. Bioware is though, so it could happen.

 

 
If we set aside the VA and actor representation and just focus on the actual sound of the voice, I find these kind of remarks a bit misplaced. There are cis women who have naturally husky voices, just as there are cis men who have naturally higher voices; this is how they were born. And of course many VAs can alter their voices, just as Jennifer Hale did with Krem, and Sumalee (huge range, this one) did for the fem Inquisitor.

 

Of course, that's not to say that they shouldn't hire a transwoman VA if the opportunity presents itself, but I don't think that should be the primary criteria. I don't actually think it would. Bioware is known for the quality of their VAs, so I think they would pick the right person for the job, whoever they are.

 

 

[edit]

As far as a romance goes, if Bioware makes that choice, I don't think they will be able to win in any capacity. They could have a transwoman write her and there would still be trans people saying they don't like the depiction. It's not a hive mind; all people of a minority group don't think the same way about themselves or how they are represented in media.

 

So really, if Bioware is going to go for it, then I think they should just go for it, with as much care and sensitivity as possible, and stick with their choice regardless of the inevitable backlash.

I think I was trying to say the exact same thing about the voices, so...

 

Yeah, I'm torn about the romance. On one hand, I totally agree, if they want to do it they should, and do it well. It would be cool. But part of me isn't sure Bioware can do it well enough, and part of me just thinks they should skip her romance because the reaction to it (even reaction to the hypothetical romance) would just be too depressing to see.

 

I think that narrative wise, Mae shouldn't be romanceable as she seemed to still be deeply in love with her late husband, and I think it'd be a disservice to her character.

Well, that hasn't stopped Bioware in the past

 

It's very different, none of those were a trans man and you have only one "cis" (really dislike this word) woman. If we only have 2 female romance and one of those is a trans woman, then I would have an issue with it.
It's very different the LI not been there for you and one being trans, you might not have any issue with it, but I and others have.

I... am not 100% sure what you're trying to say, sorry. Are you saying that you think not liking an option because they are trans is different than not liking them for any number of other reasons? I honestly am not sure.