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[Jedi Comedian]

To be fair, Hancock has guys coming up and hit on him, not just girls.

https://www.youtube....h?v=ijMnPDLvC4A

There are various gay characters in Fallout 4 outside of the romance options.

Like I said in your Gaylien thread, Hancock must still have more than enough flesh where it counts LOOOOL.

[DuskWanderer]

In Fallout, people are much more fatalistic, similar to Skyrim. It makes sense they'll screw anyone, since they can die any time. 

 

In Dragon Age, this doesn't seem to be the case, there's much more long-term planning around, which leaves time for marriages and children to inherit. That's a distinct difference between gay and straight marriages and romances, and so, it makes sense for it to be prominent here. 

 

 

Back to Mae, though, I'd rather not have the romance at all. Dorian's plotline (romance or no) was overly cliche and uninspired, BioWARE simply isn't ready to write a romance that would be anything other than pandering. Krem was already pandering, this would be worse, considering romance is one of the things BioWARE is known to do. 

[Hellion Rex]

In Fallout, people are much more fatalistic, similar to Skyrim. It makes sense they'll screw anyone, since they can die any time. 

 

In Dragon Age, this doesn't seem to be the case, there's much more long-term planning around, which leaves time for marriages and children to inherit. That's a distinct difference between gay and straight marriages and romances, and so, it makes sense for it to be prominent here. 

 

 

Back to Mae, though, I'd rather not have the romance at all. Dorian's plotline (romance or no) was overly cliche and uninspired, BioWARE simply isn't ready to write a romance that would be anything other than pandering. Krem was already pandering, this would be worse, considering romance is one of the things BioWARE is known to do. 

I disagree about pandering, but I do agree that Dorian's story was cliche. And I'd honestly rather Mae not be a romance, cause I sincerely do think there's a chance they could botch it.

[Dai Grepher]

We're not talking about which DA game is better. You're refusing to call a woman by her name or by her correct pronouns. This isn't a debate.

I am being neutral. How is that a bad thing?

I also notice you have posted nothing in reply to thats1evildude or Qun00 when they either joke about Tilani and "man meat" or use male pronouns for reference. Yet you want to argue with me for taking no stance whatsoever. Why is that?

I miss him sometimes. He had CHARTS and SCIENCE.

Do you really want science brought into this discussion?

It's clear when you avoid pronouns why you're doing it.

Is it? Or are you just making a baseless assumption about me without evidence?

Avoiding her pronuns is a deliberate move because you don't want to call Mae a woman.

Nope. That's not the reason.

You don't use 'she' or 'her'. You don't use her name despite Mae being very easy to type.

So what? Why do you care how I form my posts?

Tilani is a longer name. It's harder to spell. Mae. M A E. Three letter. Same as Cass. It's not that hard. Mae has three letters. Cass has three unique letters. Cass is a badass. Mae is a badass. Cass is a woman. Mae is a woman. Cass goes by 'she' and 'her'. Mae goes by 'she' and 'her'.

That works for you. I'm not telling you to do it any differently.

You've immediately gone on the defensive when you've been called out, and done the whole 'well for Hawke it's okay' thing. You're presenting your oppontents as the aggressors by doing this.

I don't think so. I'm just explaining why a last name is a valid form of reference.

And you still haven't answered my question: if Cass was trans would you reject her?

What, me personally? What does that have to do with anything?

Because you don't EVER use pronouns for Mae. She. Her.

So? What's wrong with being neutral and having no stance?

You've used 'he' and 'his' in that section above.

It's ONLY Mae you avoid doing this with.

Are you suggesting I use "he" and "his" to refer to Magister Tilani?

[Dai Grepher]

Grepher seems to have trouble understanding why purposefully omitting any gender-identifying names and pronouns when speaking about a trans woman might be hurtful to that woman and to any trans person in the fandom.

Ah, and you represent any trans person do you?

I will attempt to demonstrate to Grepher why it is a problem by purposefully ommitting Grepher's gender identity and the first word of Grepher's pseudonym. Does this sound weird, unnatural, and like I am going out of my way to not acknowledge Grepher by name or acknowledge Grepher's gender?

Nope.

Does it make Grepher feel singled out and treated differently from others?

Nope.

Does it make anyone who identifies with Grepher feel less like a person and feel less accepted for the identity they wish to have?

I doubt it.

And what if Grepher had fought discrimination, undergone a lengthy and laborious transition and changed Grepher's entire life just because Grepher wished to be called by Grepher's gender... But instead Grepher gets to be called Grepher?

I think in that case I would have more important things to worry about than being referred to by my name.

Does this make Grepher feel less like a person and more like... a Grepher?

God I love being a Grepheeeeeeerrrrr!!!!!

I am only doing this because I think "Grepher" flows better, because it sounds like a slightly more evolved form of gremlin.

I don't remember making any kind of snide remark about Tilani's last name, but whatever floats your boat.

TL;DR: When someone endured a difficult transition because she wants to be a woman, and she makes it clear she is a woman now, please use the pronoun "her". Don't be a Grepher.

Nah, I think I'll keep being neutral. You've demonstrated that there's nothing wrong with using someone's last name to refer to them. Thanks for the affirmation.

Again, don't presume to speak for what others want or look for in terms of gaming content.

I didn't.

Straight male player here... actively not being offended or angered by trans romances, but advocating their inclusion.

Or do I somehow not count?

You count... among how many others?

[Dai Grepher]

She's still a woman, so why can't a straight male be attracted to her, just because she's trans?

BioWare says Tilani is biologically male. That's from the writers. Can't argue with the writers, right Sifr?

I'd romance her with a straight male character, if she were an option.

Your character would be bisexual by definition, according to BioWare.

If you're intending to not offend anyone, you're doing a bally awful job of it so far.

And why is that? Is it because I wrote something offensive, or is it because people are choosing to take offense for no reason?

Please don't assume you speak for other players and dictate their moral and personal sensibilities.

I didn't.

I do not avoid same-sex content because I happen to be straight, nor do I shy away from having my player characters engage in violent and underhanded means from time to time, despite that in the real world I do not qualify as a serial larcenist, murderer or sociopath.

Okay. Well a lot of players who have an aversion to homosexual content will tend to avoid it. They will do the same with Tilani. That's my only point.

The difference is that Servis, Erimond and Alexius are not trans individuals.

But you referred to them by their last names. So referring to Tilani by last name shouldn't be an issue.

And doesn't it seem strange how you are suddenly seemingly able to use male pronouns when it comes to them, as well as remember and have no problem acknowledging their male sounding personal names.

Nope.

It does make your stark refusal to do so with Mae is extremely telling and suggest you don't see her as a woman.

My refusal to use male pronouns with Tilani suggests I don't see the character as a woman?

Grepher is really not dealing well with Grepher's opinions being disagreed with.

No no, I can tolerate different opinions.

You can tell by the fact that Grepher is is not writing in Grepher's responses much about the pronouns and Grepher keeps mentioning Hawke knowing well it's not the same thing.
(this sounds super natural and not at all awkward!)

As a fun exercise, go to page 3 of this thread and search in-page for Tilani.

Tilani is a magister, and magisters are referred to by last name. I'm just being proper and respectful to Magister Tilani. I'm ahead of the curve.

[Dai Grepher]

I don't know why I prefer brunettes over blondes either.

You were born that way.

Except that you are trying to equate sexuality and gender identity with "morals" when it comes to personal choices someone can make. As if the choice to make good and bad decisions at all synonymous with what you assume constitutes "good" or "bad" sexuality, as well as sexuality itself being an actual choice someone makes rather than something intrinsic.

No, just that people with aversions to things will typically avoid those things.

Granted, one can chose in a game to play as a character with another sexuality to their own, but in terms of the character themselves that exists within that universe, they didn't chose to be LGBT.

How do you know that? Don't assume to speak for all characters everywhere.

While it's impossible to deny that some might not seek to pursue that content, do not treat their objection to various romances, sexuality or related content as anything that has it's basis in actual morality.

Oh? What's it based in then? Mere whim?

And her first name is Mae, it's what she prefers to be addressed as, so kindly address her as such.

Why? What happens if I don't?

Don't pretend that it's the same thing and that you have not done so intentionally. You managed to refer to all three men by their first names and by the correct gender pronouns, so there's no reason you cannot extend the same level of courtesy towards Maevaris.

That you know of.

No, you accused me of projecting twice.

I'm asking for clarification as to what makes you so certain of such a claim? Why do you claim I was projecting? For what reason? Because I happen to be straight and yet do not object to LGBT themes in gaming?

I explained this to you. Because you posted baseless accusation about my motives.

Then refer to her as female and by her name, rather than refusing to do so. It's not hard.

I decline.

I'm not the one who accuses someone of projecting, then dodges the question when asked for clarification?

I answered you, but you probably didn't read it, like you do with most of the things I write. That's why you have all these wrong ideas about me and what I think.

Because either it shows you accept her as a woman or you do not.

And why is my belief on that subject important to you or anyone else?

[Dai Grepher]

And as for actual slights that have occurred thus far in the thread;

You've repeatedly made thinly-veiled transphobic comments and insinuations directed against Mae and have not attempted to curb this tendency, despite people having repeatedly called you out on it and asking you to show better etiquette on numerous occasions?

Please quote one "transphobic" comment I've made, because I think you are just imagining things again.

Did I call Magister Tilani a derogatory term? Did I refer to Magister Tilani as something untrue?

How is it "transphobic" to not write something?

Then can you kindly explain to us the reasons why that was not the case, as well as why we have all been horribly misunderstanding your intentions?

Wow! You actually asked me to explain myself rather than just speculate on my motives. I appreciate that.

However, my reasons are my own. All I can tell you right now is that my neutrality isn't born out of anything malicious. Of that I assure you.

[Sifr]

BioWare says Tilani is biologically male. That's from the writers. Can't argue with the writers, right Sifr?

 

But her character is female, that's how she is written by the writers. I'm not the one arguing with the writers by refusing to acknowledge her as a woman.

 

Your character would be bisexual by definition, according to BioWare.

 

No, they would be straight because they are attracted to a woman. That woman happening to have been born a man does not diminish the fact that the character would be straight and pursuing a heterosexual relationship.

 

And why is that? Is it because I wrote something offensive, or is it because people are choosing to take offense for no reason?

 

People are being offended by your lack of candor and sensitivity in regards to Mae.

 

Okay. Well a lot of players who have an aversion to homosexual content will tend to avoid it. They will do the same with Tilani. That's my only point.

 

I would suggest that they might not want to be involved in this discussion, if the topic is something they actively seek to avoid.

[Sifr]

No, just that people with aversions to things will typically avoid those things.
 

 

Then as I said above, they might want to avoid this thread, eh?

 

How do you know that? Don't assume to speak for all characters everywhere.

 

Wait... did you just claim that some of the LGBT characters in the DA universe chose to be that way?

 

Oh? What's it based in then? Mere whim?

 

Intolerance, sadly.

 

I answered you, but you probably didn't read it, like you do with most of the things I write. That's why you have all these wrong ideas about me and what I think.

 

No you didn't answer, you dodged the question. I happen to read everything you write.
 

And why is my belief on that subject important to you or anyone else?

 

Because it's not a hard question, so have the courage to answer it.

 

But you referred to them by their last names. So referring to Tilani by last name shouldn't be an issue.

 

Again, it's not considered rude to refer to them in such a fashion because they are not trans individuals.

 

Mae is trans, so your refusal to call her by her personal name is considered rude in that regard.

 

My refusal to use male pronouns with Tilani suggests I don't see the character as a woman?

 

Don't play coy, you have no reason you can't use feminine pronouns.

 

Please quote one "transphobic" comment I've made, because I think you are just imagining things again.

 

Your refusal to even refer to Mae by name and by feminine pronouns is making it clear how you feel about the character.

 

Did I call Magister Tilani a derogatory term? Did I refer to Magister Tilani as something untrue?

 

You refuse to accept her gender identity.

How is it "transphobic" to not write something?

 

You refuse to offer the basic courtesy of addressing her as a woman.

 

Wow! You actually asked me to explain myself rather than just speculate on my motives. I appreciate that.

However, my reasons are my own. All I can tell you right now is that my neutrality isn't born out of anything malicious. Of that I assure you.

 

Then you can non-maliciously refer to Mae by her name, can't you?

[Sifr]

In the interest of returning this to the civil topic that it should be - rather than the wall of text it seems to be rapidly turning into - can everyone kindly refer to Mae as a woman and check their terminology accordingly?

 

It would be appreciated, because the actual topic about Mae's role in future games is a good one and deserves to be discussed here.

[nightscrawl]

So... I wonder what BioWare is going to do with the BioHair for Maevaris. She's got some pretty good curls going on, but they haven't been the best with that. So far, some of their DA2 shoulder-length hairs (the Bethany styles) have been the only ones to have any curl, but they didn't include any of those (unfortunately, bizarrely) in DAI.

Incidentally, one plus about this comic is that we get to see a mage (Mae) casting without a staff. I know that mages don't need a staff, it simply amplifies and focuses their abilities, but it's nice to see that anyway.
 

Spoiler

[Illyria]

So... I wonder what BioWare is going to do with the BioHair for Maevaris. She's got some pretty good curls going on, but they haven't been the best with that. So far, some of their DA2 shoulder-length hairs (the Bethany styles) have been the only ones to have any curl, but they didn't include any of those (unfortunately, bizarrely) in DAI.

Incidentally, one plus about this comic is that we get to see a mage (Mae) casting without a staff. I know that mages don't need a staff, it simply amplifies and focuses their abilities, but it's nice to see that anyway.
 

Spoiler

 

 

Apparently the reason for the lack of decent long hair in DAI was due to Frostbite being far trickier to work with for this than they though, resulting in the short hair we see in game (but modders didn't have the time and budget constraints so were able to create some wonderful styles.)

 

We know from mods that creating curls is possible, and they look good, so hopefully BW will be able to do Mae's hair justice.

 

--

 

Completely back on topic: Mae is a wonderful woman and I hope she's a companion/advisor in DA4 (although preferably a companion).  I think she'd be able to offer a different view of Tevinter than we've been given by Krem, Dorian and Fenris.  Plus, all of the other heroic Tevinter characters have been male, so it'll be nice to get a woman to start balancing things out a bit.

 

(yes, Cal is a woman.  I said 'heroic'.  Also, being a companion means she'll be more integral to the plot than Cal, who can only be met on the Templar route).

[Illyria]

Well, now that I have the image of Maevaris' giant, veiny man-meat firmly implanted in my mind, I can say with certainty that I'm not interested in romancing her.

As the originator of this debacle, I just want to stress again that I have no problem with Mae's presence in the game or the franchise. I don't even have a problem with her as an LI per se for people who are into that sort of thing. I know one or two pansexuals who probably are.

I just don't want to see Mae replace one of the female LIs who are interested in males. I don't want to see a scenario where there are three female party members in DA4 and one's gay, one's bisexual and one's Mae, who's the dudes-only exclusive romance.

And I especially don't want this to occur to teach us a lesson about tolerance. I don't want to sit through a special after-school episode about accepting our transgender brethren BECAUSE LOVE SHOULD KNOW NO BARRIERS DAMMIT. *Cue Angels in America theme song*

 

Well, Mae is possibly a heterosexual woman, so your 'dude exclusive romance' is right there.

 

And you don't need to be pan or bi to be interested in Mae - or women in real life who are trans.  She's a women.  Same way Krem is a man.  What they've got in their pants doesn't affect this.  Dating Krem would mean you're gay, dating Mae would mean you're straight (I'm purposefully leaving bi/pansexuality out of this because I'm making a point here).

 

And also, look.

 

 

Pretty much every game until recently was made for straight men.  So your dude exclusive romance is right there.  In every game that includes a love interest (and, by the way, you're implying that bi women are lesser than het women in that post).

 

It's only recently that writers (of any company) have started including content that isn't exclusively aimed at straight men.  So... if BW starts to consider it less important to create content aimed just at het men then deal with it.  You're still getting content.  The content is just being spread more evenly than it was before.

[Illyria]

That's exactly why I prefer set sexualities (if the number of companions and budget allows for that). Aside from fleshing out the character a little bit more, it also adds to LGBT representation that's harder to miss. While I enjoyed Danse's romance in FO4, I kept thinking how big it would be, if they made him a gay man. It would influence some people's way of thinking, what kinds of people can be gay. Instead we got someone, who's technically bi, but unless you flirt with him a few times and finish his quest, you will not see any confirmation of his sexuality. Most people will assume he's straight and move on. Great for providing options to players, but does nothing to LGBT representation.

 

See - this is actually the reason why I love that he's bi.  I've no interest in romancing Danse, but I love that he's a paladin, he's in many ways a noble character, but he's also a bigot and has flaws.  He's a well rounded, bisexual character. I agree that Bethesda could've written the romances much better than they did.  Many people don't even realise that all of them are bi.  There's no reason why they couldn't all be bi still, but Bethesda could've done a much better job at portraying that.
 

[Illyria]

I am being neutral. How is that a bad thing?

I also notice you have posted nothing in reply to thats1evildude or Qun00 when they either joke about Tilani and "man meat" or use male pronouns for reference. Yet you want to argue with me for taking no stance whatsoever. Why is that?


Do you really want science brought into this discussion?


Is it? Or are you just making a baseless assumption about me without evidence?


Nope. That's not the reason.


So what? Why do you care how I form my posts?


That works for you. I'm not telling you to do it any differently.


I don't think so. I'm just explaining why a last name is a valid form of reference.


What, me personally? What does that have to do with anything?


So? What's wrong with being neutral and having no stance?


Are you suggesting I use "he" and "his" to refer to Magister Tilani?
 

 

You're being neutral.  Right.

 

So say you witness someone being beaten up.  You don't join in, but you don't call the police.  You go home and congratulate yourself on your neutrality.  That is what you are doing.

 

So why are you avoiding pronouns? 

 

I care about how you format your posts because this is not a cute debate.  You are misgendering a woman by refusing to use her pronouns.  It's not a valid form of reference when it's not the name she's well known as.  Most people call her Mae, or Maevaris.  That's in canon and out of canon.  The other characters you mentioned are known by their last name in canon. 

 

My question about Cass is still valid.  You like her and consider her your canon LI.  Would you let the fact that she's trans stand in the way of your romance?

 

You know damn well what I mean.

[Sifr]

So... I wonder what BioWare is going to do with the BioHair for Maevaris. She's got some pretty good curls going on, but they haven't been the best with that. So far, some of their DA2 shoulder-length hairs (the Bethany styles) have been the only ones to have any curl, but they didn't include any of those (unfortunately, bizarrely) in DAI.

 

Given how how awful their track record with BioHair (I'm definitely stealing that term), it might be a good idea for the devs to let us see some of the hairstyles for feedback while they're still in the Alpha stage of development, so they can nix any that people don't like and focus on improving others.

 

It was a shame that some of test models we saw in the run up to DAI that sported amazing hairstyles never made it into the final game, remember that model of the male elf with long hair, as well as the female dwarf with her hair tied into a long braid?

 

As Mae owes both her character owes her name and appearance to Mae West, I think that Bioware need to seriously up their game in the hair department, because I don't think people would be happy if she didn't have the curls of the iconic blond bombshell.

[Battlebloodmage]

Well, Mae is possibly a heterosexual woman, so your 'dude exclusive romance' is right there.

 

And you don't need to be pan or bi to be interested in Mae - or women in real life who are trans.  She's a women.  Same way Krem is a man.  What they've got in their pants doesn't affect this.  Dating Krem would mean you're gay, dating Mae would mean you're straight (I'm purposefully leaving bi/pansexuality out of this because I'm making a point here).

 

And also, look.

 

 

Pretty much every game until recently was made for straight men.  So your dude exclusive romance is right there.  In every game that includes a love interest (and, by the way, you're implying that bi women are lesser than het women in that post).

 

It's only recently that writers (of any company) have started including content that isn't exclusively aimed at straight men.  So... if BW starts to consider it less important to create content aimed just at het men then deal with it.  You're still getting content.  The content is just being spread more evenly than it was before.

That's an unfair assessment, while I agree that she's a woman and should be treated as such, for the straight men, they attract to a female's body. Males are especially visual and value the physical aspects, who do you think is the biggest consumption of porn? Even with a pretty face, guys are also attracted to a female body. The poster stated that he has no problem with Mae as a companion but it's within his preference and right to like the female figure, and he shouldn't be forced to like the male body in the name of progressive. 

 

I don't get why it's so hard for people to accept her as an extra option, because it's one thing if she has body of a female, but for a straight male's option to be a woman with the body of a man. It's just an entire different can to open. 

[Biotic Apostate]

Even if Mae doesn't become a companion or LI, it seems unlikely that he won't make an appearance somehow.

It would be disappointing if the Lucerni didn't play a major role in DA4, which would be incomplete without him.

It's she, not he. Neither BW, nor the posters here find misgendering acceptable, so cut that out.

[Biotic Apostate]

I don't get why it's so hard for people to accept her as an extra option, because it's one thing if she has body of a female, but for a straight male's option to be a woman with the body of a man. It's just an entire different can to open. 

And I don't get why it's so hard for some people here to not go full into conspiracy/panic mode. Judging by some posts, BW is a malicious company, who will take away content from straight men, and if they do romance Mae, they will be forced to witness full frontal nudity.

 

Also, why did women not panic when Dorian was announced? Should they have been worried that there's a limited amount of male romanceable companions, and be outraged Dorian was taken away from them? I mean, they were right, there was only one male option for women. Oh wait, that's wrong. There were four.

 

Straight men had at least 2 options in every single game that had romances, including Hordes of the Underdark. And 6 in ME2, 7 in ME3. The probability of BW taking that away to forcefully educate straight men is zero. The fear that a female trans companion would not be given as an additional romance to the traditional two is frankly unfounded and based on "gut feeling" alone.

 

We've yet to have any trans companions and people are already terrified that BW's ultimate goal is to fill the entire party with them.

[Battlebloodmage]

And I don't get why it's so hard for some people here to not go full into conspiracy/panic mode. Judging by some posts, BW is a malicious company, who will take away content from straight men, and if they do romance Mae, they will be forced to witness full frontal nudity.

 

Also, why did women not panic when Dorian was announced? Should they have been worried that there's a limited amount of male romanceable companions, and be outraged Dorian was taken away from them? I mean, they were right, there was only one male option for women. Oh wait, that's wrong. There were four.

 

Straight men had at least 2 options in every single game that had romances, including Hordes of the Underdark. And 6 in ME2, 7 in ME3. The probability of BW taking that away to forcefully educate straight men is zero. The fear that a female trans companion would not be given as an additional romance to the traditional two is frankly unfounded and based on "gut feeling" alone.

 

We've yet to have any trans companions and people are already terrified that BW's ultimate goal is to fill the entire party with them.

This is an entire different discussion here. This is another person starts the conversation again about how straight guys should accept Mae as their dude exclusive romance, and that's the point I'm responding to. this is not even about catering to straight guys. It's about giving straight guys the appropriate options according to their sexuality, which include the physical aspect of the relationship. This is not about the panic conversation but about how some people think that if Mae were the straight option, straight guys should just shut up and accept it, not that Bioware would do that. Where are the people that terrified that BW's ultimate goal to fill the entire party with transgender? I only see the Evildude poster talking about that possibility, and people berate him for it for his preference. Of course, there are ignorant posters refuse to acknowledge Mae's gender, but I don't see any malicious intent from Evildude, and he said that he would be ok with Mae being an option outside of supposed 3 females with gay, bi, and straight setup. That should have been the end of that conversation, to be honest. 

[Biotic Apostate]

See - this is actually the reason why I love that he's bi.  I've no interest in romancing Danse, but I love that he's a paladin, he's in many ways a noble character, but he's also a bigot and has flaws.  He's a well rounded, bisexual character. I agree that Bethesda could've written the romances much better than they did.  Many people don't even realise that all of them are bi.  There's no reason why they couldn't all be bi still, but Bethesda could've done a much better job at portraying that.

But the biggest misconception about bi people is that they don't really exist, especially bi men. Having the bisexuality of the companion be virtually invisible (a problem people had with Kaidan too) doesn't solve much. I've seen multiple people refer to Danse as "straight fratboy," so again, this approach gives choice to LGBT players (which is awesome), but people who won't do that romance or hear about it from others, don't really register a bi character.

The only visible bi companions in FO4 are Cait and Hancock, and if you thought Isabela, Bull, and Zevran feed into the other popular bi stereotype concerning promiscuity (not all do, but I've certainly seen such opinions), then these two are also not that great for representation either.

[Battlebloodmage]

But the biggest misconception about bi people is that they don't really exist, especially bi men. Having the bisexuality of the companion be virtually invisible (a problem people had with Kaidan too) doesn't solve much. I've seen multiple people refer to Danse as "straight fratboy," so again, this approach gives choice to LGBT players (which is awesome), but people who won't do that romance or hear about it from others, don't really register a bi character.

The only visible bi companions in FO4 are Cait and Hancock, and if you thought Isabela, Bull, and Zevran feed into the other popular bi stereotype concerning promiscuity (not all do, but I've certainly seen such opinions), then these two are also not that great for representation either.

Do they have to be companions? There are a lot of gay NPCs in the Fallout series. The lesbian couples in the beginning of the game, the Vault 81's Asian girl whose girlfriend cheated her out of her money and settled down with a girl. Mel is a gay guy who's only commenting on a male survivor. The lesbian couple skeletons in Far Harbor you can find embracing in bed. Fallout 4 is about open world and giving people options, so I understand there isn't a lock on romance like with Bioware games.

[DuskWanderer]

It's not a matter of losing content (although men did get shafted in Inquisition), it's a matter of arbitrarily sitting through a bunch of BS. Weekes admitted that he will not allow people to be "hurtful" (whatever that means) about the trans thing, and it's pretty weird considering the amount of people you can shank. 

 

Also, we're forced to accept it as true. Personally, I think it's, at best, a delusion. 

[Battlebloodmage]

It's not a matter of losing content (although men did get shafted in Inquisition), it's a matter of arbitrarily sitting through a bunch of BS. Weekes admitted that he will not allow people to be "hurtful" (whatever that means) about the trans thing, and it's pretty weird considering the amount of people you can shank. 

 

Also, we're forced to accept it as true. Personally, I think it's, at best, a delusion. 

I always try to remain neutral about these things. Having transgender characters are fine, but you shouldn't be preachy and teach tolerance. You treat transgender characters just as you would to any other minorities like Blacks, Asians, or gays. You treat it as a non-issue. You shouldn't be allowed to be hurtful, but at the same time, you shouldn't preach about transgender, because this is a game about medieval, and it should remain a gaming medium where everyone feels welcome instead of bringing attention to how difference the individuals are. If you want a transgender there just so you could insult them, you're playing the wrong game, and if Bioware adds a transgender person in there just to preach tolerance, they're doing it for the wrong reasons. Progressive is not about bringing attention to the difference in each individual, but viewing everyone as equal a-holes.