From now on I'll headcanon my Hawke and Isabela celebrate Internatonal Women's Day that way EVERY SINGLE TIME. I'm sure she's into that LOL!Some straight dudes are absolutely into being pegged by their girlfriends. Not my bag of chips, personally, but it's a good way to celebrate International Women's Day.
From now on I'll headcanon my Hawke and Isabela celebrate Internatonal Women's Day that way EVERY SINGLE TIME. I'm sure she's into that LOL!
Some1 needs 2 write this fanfic NOW LMFAO.
"Next year, don't use an actual peg-leg you stole from the crew. The splinters were a nightmare and I feel guilty every time I see the Bosun..."
Pretty sure that's the tone the fan-fic would probably roll with. 
L"Next year, don't use an actual peg-leg you stole from the crew. The splinters were a nightmare and I feel guilty every time I see the Bosun..."
The romance content has remained pretty much the same for straight men. You're not getting less. Other people have been getting more. And yeah. It sucks that lesbian and gay men aren't getting more content.
Although we do have a lot more LGBT relationships depicted that aren't necessarily available to the player, so that's at least something to fill the gap, even if it's not ideal since it's content we're not getting to experience ourselves.
Someone's watched Deadpool lol.Some straight dudes are absolutely into being pegged by their girlfriends. Not my bag of chips, personally, but it's a good way to celebrate International Women's Day.
I haven't. Out of curiosity, did his pansexuality got hinted at any time?Someone's watched Deadpool lol.
I haven't. Out of curiosity, did his pansexuality got hinted at any time?
Not really. There is a brief scene where he gets pegged by his girlfriend to celebrate International Women's Day. (They theme their sex around the holiday, so for Halloween, he eats her out with vampire teeth.)
Plus, all of the other heroic Tevinter characters have been male, so it'll be nice to get a woman to start balancing things out a bit.
(yes, Cal is a woman. I said 'heroic'. Also, being a companion means she'll be more integral to the plot than Cal, who can only be met on the Templar route).
OH I forgot about that, good point! I'd say it's time we had a female qunari as well, for the same reason.
Given how how awful their track record with BioHair (I'm definitely stealing that term)...
I can't take full credit. I was inspired by a recent spree of developer tweets where they were using BioWare in a similar fashion, "munching on a BioPear," and so forth.
This video (thanks to Dalinne, who posted this in the MEA section!) explains, in a response to the criticism of a trans minor NPC in the BG expansion, why both flat and round characters are necessary. That also applies to representation. LGBT NPCs are nice, but they're mostly flat characters. We need LGBT companion (which are always round characters) to get a full representation.
I agree about flat versus round, and that companions are round and thus offer truer representation. However, I'd say we need a healthy mix of both to make their inclusion in the world seem "real," otherwise people can just point to all of our followers, most of whom have been available as romance options, and say that they are catering to the player's fantasies in that, as in everything else, and this core group of people isn't truly representative of Thedas at large. So I think it is important to have NPC pairings like Celene and Briala, Wade and Herren, Leliana and Marjorlaine, Sera and Dagna (I LOVE these two together).
Yes, not being too hurtful to who they are, you can insult them and kill them, but what does it have anything to do with them being a transgender? You judge a person by their actions, not their characteristics. I probably wouldn't have focused on the transgender issue at all, and just let transgender be just another character. Bioware was wrong for the right reasons, but you're wrong for the wrong reasons. You are obsessed over a minor character, talking about how transgender characters are untouchable despite how you could kill them. You have problem with their existence, and I doubt Bioware cares.
This subject is a bit moot anyway, since Bioware has shown that they don't have an interest in allowing the PC to be overly bigoted about anything, either sexuality OR race. Elf PC's can't go around calling people "shem," humans and other non-elves can't go around calling elves "knife ear," no one can remark on skin color, and no one can refer to particular sexualities as "disgusting."
Bioware has been completely equitable in the disallowing of bigotry for the PC, and that is completely fine with me. For all my thoughts and opinions about roleplay and having the most variety of options possible (within reason!), I don't care one whit if that makes me a hypocrite; I am glad that that is Bioware's stance.
According to Gaider, whenever they bring a character from the EU to the games they give it the same treatment than to a new character... And for me it does feel that way...in some cases, seems even out of character compared to the one displayed on the comic/book in fact.
The biggest example we have so far is Cole, since he went from book to a full follower. For him, I think that any changes we noticed in DAI are explained by the events of the book, and by Cole himself. I didn't find the changes off-putting at all, and indeed thought they made perfect sense.
I don't really want to participate in this particular discussion, but... emm, there are actually some straight men who like being pegged by women and they have 0 attraction towards men. I'm N.O.T. saying everyone likes it, but those who do are neither bi nor gay.
I tried to explain that already; didn't work. It's just a hole with nerve endings, and men have a happy button inside. I don't see what the big deal is.
That's exactly the the system DA now uses. Solas and Cullen were added as extras because they had more time.
And ? That doesn't change anything. That statement makes no sense. Straight women got four options, not two like other demographics. That's it. The circonstances don't matter and don't change anything with the final result. Given what I read with your posts about straight men, i'm pretty that you wouldn't care about the circonstances, if you suddenly learned that 4 options were added for them " later " with " extra time, having 6 six LIs.
The thing is Bioware could have used this extra time for adding more lines to all the romance options, they didn't. They added two options for a specific demographic, during the development of the game, which gave at the release of DA:I. 4 options for straight women, not two.
I agree about flat versus round, and that companions are round and thus offer truer representation. However, I'd say we need a healthy mix of both to make their inclusion in the world seem "real," otherwise people can just point to all of our followers, most of whom have been available as romance options, and say that they are catering to the player's fantasies in that, as in everything else, and this core group of people isn't truly representative of Thedas at large. So I think it is important to have NPC pairings like Celene and Briala, Wade and Herren, Leliana and Marjorlaine, Sera and Dagna (I LOVE these two together).
Whoops, should have made it more clear, I meant in my post that both are necessary. NPCs are mostly flat, so if you want to have both flat and round LGBT characters (in other words, full representation), you also need to have LGBT companions, since they are one of the most important parts of DA narratives, and they are always round. That last sentence should have read "We also need LGBT companion (which are always round characters) to get a full representation." I'll add it.
Heterosexual men do not like male genitalia. It is a requirement to being a heterosexual male. You aren't entitled to your own facts.
Tell that to the huge transsexual porn industry, whose main customers are self identifing straight males. So, how do we interpret this? Two ways basically:
First possible explanation: A man can be straight while still liking transwomen.
Or if we want to stick with your requirement for being a heterosexual male: The amount of of bisexual/not-completly straight males is vastly higher than official surveys indicate.
Tell that to the huge transsexual porn industry, whose main customers are self identifing straight males. So, how do we interpret this? Two ways basically:
First possible explanation: A man can be straight while still liking transwomen.
Or if we want to stick with your requirement for being a heterosexual male: The amount of of bisexual/not-completly straight males is vastly higher than official surveys indicate.
Usually, they still like boobs and ass, in which, Mae still has the body of a skinny guy. I've been with some bi guys that like boobs and female face but also fascinating with penis. His friends often tease him that instead of getting with a gay or bi guys, he should get together with a pre-op transgender. His friend is straight, he went to Thailand, and met with a pre-op female, they were drunk and he was very upset when he reaches down to find a penis down there. They still had sex, either through alcohol or maybe he has an interest in that. Maybe the situation is not always black and white. Still, if you were to break down to it, there are porn for everything you could imagine, pregnant, fat, milf, granny. I would be careful when saying that porn fantasy is a reflection of what typical straight guys are usually into.
Have no problem with Mae being a romance as long as she's not the only romance. It's not me having sex with her it's a character I'm playing. If I was a woman, I'd be less inclined to have a threesome with Isabela and Zevran in real life but in-game I do it anyways for the approval points. Here's one perspective, would you rather have sex with the ugliest most disgusting woman or the sexiest, prettiest tran? Or you could just abstain, nothing wrong with that. Does sex and love have to be so controversial?
Also yeah, I hope they pretty up Mae a bit. More doctor girlfirend, less One Direction boy in a dress.
If Maevaris looked like Aubrey Kate, I'd romance DA HECK outta her.would you rather have sex with the ugliest most disgusting woman or the sexiest, prettiest tran?
Doctor Girlfriend is a woman. She just smokes a lot.
Cole was executed perfectly, the last part of my comment was rather addressing Fiona and the Architect, for the first, despite being the second most stupid being on Thedas, I felt was out of character for her to believe being slaves of the vints was a good idea, as for the second, while his personality is faithful to the book, he was described as some kind of talking Hurlock, not as the tall and pale talking Darkspawn with elegant robes we hadThe biggest example we have so far is Cole, since he went from book to a full follower. For him, I think that any changes we noticed in DAI are explained by the events of the book, and by Cole himself. I didn't find the changes off-putting at all, and indeed thought they made perfect sense.
And ? That doesn't change anything. That statement makes no sense. Straight women got four options, not two like other demographics. That's it. The circonstances don't matter and don't change anything with the final result. Given what I read with your posts about straight men, i'm pretty that you wouldn't care about the circonstances, if you suddenly learned that 4 options were added for them " later " with " extra time, having 6 six LIs.
The thing is Bioware could have used this extra time for adding more lines to all the romance options, they didn't. They added two options for a specific demographic, during the development of the game, which gave at the release of DA:I. 4 options for straight women, not two.
Straight women get two extra options. Straight men, despite what other people in this thread think, are not getting less than they got in the previous games.
And yes, if BW had given more options to a demographic that has always been given more (look at the unbalanced options in the Mass Effect games, where gay men didn't get anything until ME3) then I'd be annoyed. I am annoyed that gay men were denied having an extra LI in Cullen or Solas (while Solas was always intended for f!Lavellans only, Cullen has dialogue indicating that his m/m romance was cut very late in development).
Although, since I have zero interest in Cullen, I wish his budget had been given to expanding the core romances, or making Cass bi.
I will point out that expecting us to change how we make our games because certain optional aspects of them make people uncomfortable is likely destined for disappointment. Characters are written or designed based on what the writers feel is best for those characters, and that's not going to change.Once again, I feel it necessary to address the fact that I don't see the way we handle romances changing dramatically because of some people being uncomfortable with them. They are optional content, and it is rather easy to avoid them.
It's not entitlement or demanding, it's merely a wish that the creators of such content acknowledge that they exist, and that there are more people playing their games than the prevailing demographic. I can go to any number of games out there and find a protagonist who I can easily identify with because they are of the same gender, ethnicity and sexual orientation as I am. Why shouldn't they be allowed to ask for that same opportunity without being accused of pushing anything on anyone?This is what privilege is about. We are so used to being on top, so used to having entertainment designed for us that when we see something that goes against that status quo we go 'hey! That's not fair - you can't just cater to a particular audience!' What we don't realize, of course, is that the majority of entertainment already caters to us. We're just so used to it being the reality that we don't see it as anything other than the natural order of things. But if you're not part of our demographic, it can be incredibly difficult to find a protagonist you can sympathize and connect to in the same way, which is why you see the desire for more options and more inclusivity.And we're never going to make everyone happy [...]. But what we can do is allow as many people of different sexual orientations as we can to enjoy our games. What we can do is make sure that we're promoting a message of equality, that we believe everyone's entitled to live and love in the same way. And what we can do is recognize that even as we're making video games, what we choose to include and not include is in itself a social message, whether we intend for it to be or not.[...] it could be that many people (both heterosexual and of other sexual orientation) truly believe that inclusivity is a better way to go than exclusivity. Suggesting that it's only the '1%' that is vociferously against your post is doing both yourself and everyone else a great disservice, as you seem to be suggesting that if you're part of the 'straight, male demographic' then you aren't going to be posting in support of equality. Which was another of the points that David was making - you don't speak for the entire demographic, and I'd wager that you don't even speak for the majority of the demographic. So let's call a spade a spade.
Not every decision is strictly a business decision. We are not managing a hedge fund here.Deciding to be inclusive rather than exclusive could have positive business implications, of course, but I would be very careful to suggest that such a motivation is the only reasonable one.
Doesn't that mean they won if Bioware doesn't include something because those who dislike transgender people whine? I'd love for Mae to be available as a companion, and she fits perfectly and she exists even before the next game is made, so they can't use a pandering argument.
I personally can't date a trans person, it's more of a preference, so I wouldn't want her as a romance, but if she ends up as the extra option then I wouldn't mind.
Maryden doesn't necessarily have to be bisexual or a lesbian to be attracted to Krem, since her other prospective hookups are Cole and Zither!, she simply has to be attracted to Krem and see him as a man.
As you said, there's more a relationship than what's in someone's pants.
I don't think we can accurately label someone as being "gay" or "bisexual" simply because they might happen to be involved in a relationship with a trans individual, since depending on the trans person's gender identity, the relationship dynamic may be heterosexual.
You always argue with the writers.
Now kindly acknowledge Mae as a woman
Seriously, I doubt he would stop. It's practically impossible to change someone's mind over the issue over the internet. The conversation is basically going in a circle now, so people should just ignore him and move on. Otherwise, when we get to page 16, it'd still be the exact same conversation.
If the developer happens to be here, the entire conversation is basically just revolved around people arguing over pronounce instead of whether people want Mae as a companion or not.
I don't really want to participate in this particular discussion, but... emm, there are actually some straight men who like being pegged by women and they have 0 attraction towards men. I'm N.O.T. saying everyone likes it, but those who do are neither bi nor gay.
OH I forgot about that, good point! I'd say it's time we had a female qunari as well, for the same reason.
This subject is a bit moot anyway, since Bioware has shown that they don't have an interest in allowing the PC to be overly bigoted about anything, either sexuality OR race. Elf PC's can't go around calling people "shem," humans and other non-elves can't go around calling elves "knife ear," no one can remark on skin color, and no one can refer to particular sexualities as "disgusting."
Bioware has been completely equitable in the disallowing of bigotry for the PC, and that is completely fine with me.
For all my thoughts and opinions about roleplay and having the most variety of options possible (within reason!), I don't care one whit if that makes me a hypocrite; I am glad that that is Bioware's stance.
I tried to explain that already; didn't work. It's just a hole with nerve endings, and men have a happy button inside. I don't see what the big deal is.
Whoops, should have made it more clear, I meant in my post that both are necessary. NPCs are mostly flat, so if you want to have both flat and round LGBT characters (in other words, full representation), you also need to have LGBT companions, since they are one of the most important parts of DA narratives, and they are always round. That last sentence should have read "We also need LGBT companion (which are always round characters) to get a full representation." I'll add it.
Tell that to the huge transsexual porn industry, whose main customers are self identifing straight males. So, how do we interpret this? Two ways basically:
First possible explanation: A man can be straight while still liking transwomen.
Or if we want to stick with your requirement for being a heterosexual male: The amount of of bisexual/not-completly straight males is vastly higher than official surveys indicate.
Straight women get two extra options. Straight men, despite what other people in this thread think, are not getting less than they got in the previous games.
And yes, if BW had given more options to a demographic that has always been given more (look at the unbalanced options in the Mass Effect games, where gay men didn't get anything until ME3) then I'd be annoyed. I am annoyed that gay men were denied having an extra LI in Cullen or Solas (while Solas was always intended for f!Lavellans only, Cullen has dialogue indicating that his m/m romance was cut very late in development).
Although, since I have zero interest in Cullen, I wish his budget had been given to expanding the core romances, or making Cass bi.
I'm just gonna wait to see if anyone falls for the bait. At this point, people who respond to him are just as bad as the trolls.
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