Here is what the wiki page about her says regarding this:
In Dragon Age: Until We Sleep, it is revealed that Maevaris is Dragon Age's first true transgender character. Although Serendipity appeared earlier in Dragon Age II, the writers envisioned her as more of a drag queen; game engine limitations prevented this from being apparent. In Dragon Age Library Edition Maevaris is described as "fully female with the exception of her biology."
I know that Maevaris and Dorian would be in game no matter what, and i hope that they will not force those characters to our new hero as companion or advisors, that they give us choice to hire and support or NOT to hire them and NOt support-fight against them if we want, if those cant die then they atleast must have some real bad consequences
Bioware makes Maevaris special and Mae would be "placed on a pedestal" as Dorian and others like them, yeah Lucerni-"Tevinter Opposition" would be worst thing ever with those 2 males and devs will make our Inquisition be part of their party without our decidions what we can clearly understand via Dorian epilogue what is not care about our decidion and if we not have him or send far away
and yeah i hope we never see such "funny" thing when we have 2 candidates to Tevinter Archon/Divine who would be Maevaris or Dorian
about Maevaris be Li option this, if such thing happen would be a joke and cruel slap in the face for males heroes, male heroes(mostly i mean non-humans, non-andrastians and mages) already suffer much in DA games li options when they have what they have and their option is far small and worst than what females heroes have
Maevaris would be putted for straight males romance and this is worst Li option than Isabella with aids option for Hawke, no give players elven and qunari as dwarf females. real ones
I told myself I'd bow out of this thread... so I'll probably regret this.
(Said magic probably does exist, but it's probably pretty serious blood magic. Even the Mirror of Transformation doesn't let you change genders willy-nilly.)
That's gameplay-story segregation, I think. If the Mirror can change things from bone-structure all the way to fine-tuning your vocal chords, I think it could totally do that, too. After all, why would it only be able to change your face? Although, technically it doesn't, since it can change your neck too (Adam's apple, voice).
So I think the only reason you can't change your sex with it ingame is because it would be needlessly complicated (probably a lot of flags in saves that might get messed up, etc.).
After all, Hawke couldn't change their voice nor Adam's apple, etc. so using exactly what's available ingame as indicative of all it could do in canon doesn't really work.
I know that Maevaris and Dorian would be in game no matter what, and i hope that they will not force those characters to our new hero as companion or advisors, that they give us choice to hire and support or NOT to hire them and NOt support-fight against them if we want, if those cant die then they atleast must have some real bad consequences
Bioware makes Maevaris special and Mae would be "placed on a pedestal" as Dorian and others like them, yeah Lucerni-"Tevinter Opposition" would be worst thing ever with those 2 males and devs will make our Inquisition be part of their party without our decidions what we can clearly understand via Dorian epilogue what is not care about our decidion and if we not have him or send far away
and yeah i hope we never see such "funny" thing when we have 2 candidates to Tevinter Archon/Divine who would be Maevaris or Dorian
If they are key people in terms of plot, or one of them is, you likely will NOT have a choice, just as you didn't have a choice with Leliana, Cullen, Josephine, Cassandra, Varric, and Solas. There will always be forced NPCs, even if it's just one.
Well, in two games the Mirror has only been able to change your face, voice and skin colour. You can't change your race, gender or body type.
As to why it can't, the Mirror of Transformation also edits the memories of the people around you. A smaller nose or a different slant to your eyes is one thing; perhaps changing your race or gender or body type is just too big of an alteration for the Mirror to force on the universe
Imagine if one of your former or current partners looked in the Mirror and became a man, Banshee. You're gay, but now you have months, maybe years of memories of being in a relationship with a man. What would that do to you? Probably drive you batshit crazy, that's what.
If they are key people in terms of plot, or one of them is, you likely will NOT have a choice, just as you didn't have a choice with Leliana, Cullen, Josephine, Cassandra, Varric, and Solas. There will always be forced NPCs, even if it's just one.
and i was hate such thing with Cullen and Leliana, as her friends-Josephine, Cassandra
Devs should not do such thing especially like they do with Cullen and Leliana
more Varrick and Solas, Morrigan types, less Cullen and Lelianna/Cassandra
better whan we have those who we support like if we support mages we have a mage or if we support templars we have a templar
I told myself I'd bow out of this thread... so I'll probably regret this.
That's gameplay-story segregation, I think. If the Mirror can change things from bone-structure all the way to fine-tuning your vocal chords, I think it could totally do that, too. After all, why would it only be able to change your face? Although, technically it doesn't, since it can change your neck too (Adam's apple, voice).
So I think the only reason you can't change your sex with it ingame is because it would be needlessly complicated (probably a lot of flags in saves that might get messed up, etc.).
After all, Hawke couldn't change their voice nor Adam's apple, etc. so using exactly what's available ingame as indicative of all it could do in canon doesn't really work.
I'm going to just assume that it's because of flags that recognize gender. Don't forget, you can't change your race either, and that is also recognized by the game in terms of dialogue and so on. And of course we also have gender and race gated romances, and there's no telling how the game would be borked if they allowed you to change gender and race with the mirror**. There was even a bug early on where changing your voice option had the effect of changing the described gender, so NPCs referred to you as the opposite gender.
** I'm not referring to mods that specifically alter flags to allow bi romances, but of changing your gender in the middle of the game and confusing the game itself.
I see two main potential issues when it comes to Maevaris as a character in the game.
1 Romance aside, how is it revealed that she is trans? What sort of language do they use? Dorian's use of "I prefer the company of men" was rather clunky, but we've been told that Thedas doesn't have words and terms for homosexual/heterosexual/bisexual, or gay/straight/bi -- indeed, those terms are pretty new in our own world -- so in that case it did make sense that he would use such a phrase. We have Aqun-Athlok, but that is more referring to the system under the Qun that deals with such persons, because the Qunari NEED categorization in all things, and not a true description for what they are. Do they create some word in Tevene, and then explain what it means? If it needs to be explained, having a special word is superfluous.
Then again, as Dorian says, "We do love our fancy words," so they might have something, but it would still need to be explained in some manner. If they do have a term for transgender, why wouldn't they also have a term for whichever sexuality? In that case, its non-use in DAI in relation to Dorian can be waved away by saying that he wouldn't have used a Tevene word to the Inquisitor, since they wouldn't know it anyway. If someone were transported from 1930 and you told them you were "gay," they would ask what you had to be happy about, so again, it would need to be explained.
Does the non-romance player need to be told? Why? If so, at what point? Also, at what point does that veer into the possibility of a romance? After a first flirt happens?
2 Regarding the romance, there is the question of Thorold and how that's handled. How is that addressed to the interested PC? Does the PC find out in some other, non-romance related context?
As others have suggested, it could go bad, but I think it could also be done well. I don't think we should immediately jump to the potential negative; that leads to never trying anything again for fear of how it might turn out, which leads to stagnation. It also has the unfortunate side effect of not allowing ANY character who has loved and lost to find love again, which is limiting to their story and potential character growth. Why bother writing such a character if you're not going to have one such person think it's "too soon," while also allowing another to find a second love? This creates variety in characters, otherwise you just have the cliche of the person with the dead partner who is "forever alone."
Apart from any considerations of "should we, or shouldn't we [add her in the game]," all of these sorts of logistical questions are ones the devs are going to have to answer amongst themselves at some point. Such is the nature of developing games and character writing.
Everything else aside, I find the continued negativity of possibility in this thread to be the most disheartening. Many people are looking immediately to the negative thing without considering the possibility that it could be done well.
Modifié par nightscrawl, 27 mai 2016 - 11:13 .
THIS is how it should be in here too. I freaking hate labels, only use them outta convenience. NO ONE defines me.Thedas doesn't have words and terms for homosexual/heterosexual/bisexual, or gay/straight/bi
THIS is how it should be in here too. I freaking hate labels, only use them outta convenience. NO ONE defines me.
I tend to agree, particularly because the terms have cultural and community connotations outside of their specific meaning -- there are PSAs that target "men who have sex with men," rather than saying "homosexual," "gay," or "bisexual" for this very reason. Every individual is free to define their own self, but I think general terms are useful in certain discussions, like this one. For the most part, words and terms are used to facilitate communication, and the shared, unified, collective meaning of those words is important for that.
There seems to be a term for everything these days, maybe there should be a word for like pansexual males who's attracted to the female aspect irregardless of the physical appearance, and same for pansexual females. There are terms for people who are only into romantic or physical aspect of the relationship after all.
TL;DR: When someone endured a difficult transition because she wants to be a woman, and she makes it clear she is a woman now, please use the pronoun "her". Don't be a Grepher.
We can make bumper stickers! 
Anyway, that post was amusing to read through. I'd like it more than once if I could.
Well, in two games the Mirror has only been able to change your face, voice and skin colour. You can't change your race, gender or body type.
As to why it can't, the Mirror of Transformation also edits the memories of the people around you. A smaller nose or a different slant to your eyes is one thing; perhaps changing your race or gender or body type is just too big of an alteration for the Mirror to force on the universe
Imagine if one of your former or current partners looked in the Mirror and became a man, Banshee. You're gay, but now you have months, maybe years of memories of being in a relationship with a man. What would that do to you? Probably drive you batshit crazy, that's what.
That's an assumption. If I only played DA2, I could assume it can't change your voice, but I'd be wrong. Look, right now it's up in the air, but as far as I'm concerned, changing someone's sex is well within the limits of the Mirror's potential based on what else it can change. It's the same for body-type. There was never a system in place to alter it (with almost all characters sharing body-types), but if DA4 has body-sliders you can bet you will be able to alter them in the Mirror. And again, why couldn't you? You can change such fine, precise, yet also dramatic aspects of your face.
As for the rest of your post, I have never heard either ingame or on the forums that it alters other people's memories. That sounds ridiculous, and in my opinion raises a lot more problems than it being able to change your sex 
I'm going to just assume that it's because of flags that recognize gender. Don't forget, you can't change your race either, and that is also recognized by the game in terms of dialogue and so on. And of course we also have gender and race gated romances, and there's no telling how the game would be borked if they allowed you to change gender and race with the mirror**. There was even a bug early on where changing your voice option had the effect of changing the described gender, so NPCs referred to you as the opposite gender.
** I'm not referring to mods that specifically alter flags to allow bi romances, but of changing your gender in the middle of the game and confusing the game itself.
Yeah, this is what I was trying to get at in my post. Thanks for explaining it further!
As others have suggested, it could go bad, but I think it could also be done well. I don't think we should immediately jump to the potential negative; that leads to never trying anything again for fear of how it might turn out, which leads to stagnation. It also has the unfortunate side effect of not allowing ANY character who has loved and lost to find love again, which is limiting to their story and potential character growth. Why bother writing such a character if you're not going to have one such person think it's "too soon," while also allowing another to find a second love? This creates variety in characters, otherwise you just have the cliche of the person with the dead partner who is "forever alone."
The fear might come from the fact that BW had some bad firsts. The polyamorous relationship in JE was nothing more than low grade fan service. And they needed to go through Sky and Zevran before getting gay relationships right. So the "they will botch it before getting it right" feeling is not totally unfounded. On the other hand, the general quality of writing has improved over the years, and the probability that they might just get the language and the romance (if they decide to include it) right is higher then a few years ago. So I'm also going to just wait and see.
I think they did it right with Steve. The loss was still fresh, so the scenes were fitting, the romance didn't seem rushed, and Steve didn't say "I love you," because he wasn't ready yet, but the affection was there. If they do it right, maybe add a "I have enough love in me for two people" kind of thing, Mae's romance could work. It would be different though than Steve's situation, because I got the feeling from the comics that she would want to deal with her grief on her own.
At the very least BW needs to work on BioHair. We need those curls!
Moving on to less stormy waters, I wonder if Mae's resolve to right all wrongs in Tevinter is quite as strong as Dorian's.
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Look at that snobbish look on his face when he says that line. You know, like "Pfff..
slavery is no big deal. "
We can't say one way or the other regarding Dorian and Tevinter slavery. All we can glean from the conversation in the game is that his views are changing as a direct result of being in the South and being exposed to a different way.
But really, Mae's statement is more or less accurate, particularly concerning an altus magister, like Maevaris herself. Also, I took the look as being more about Isabela's specific remark, typical from a southerner, than anything else. Also, we don't what what Mae's stance on slavery is, specifically the type of slavery in practice in Tevinter. I think it is way too far to take an entire viewpoint from a single panel in a comic.
Keep in mind, this sort of disdain for Tevinter is the same sort that Dorian faced, which led him to being prickly and defensive (which he acknowledges as a fault). So here you have a southerner, coming into your country, seeking your aid, who makes a sarcastic remark about you based entirely on assumption because of who you are (a Tevinter magister). Isabela doesn't know Maevaris, and yet makes this assumption. It was rude, and I think Mae had an appropriate response.
As for the rest of your post, I have never heard either ingame or on the forums that it alters other people's memories. That sounds ridiculous, and in my opinion raises a lot more problems than it being able to change your sex
^ Yeah, that's one of those things where a dev got a bit too carried away with implementing some sort of gamey device that does something most players want in the game, that is, access the character creator after you are already in the game.
Fine, a dev said it, it's a thing. That doesn't mean it's not kinda lame, or far-fetched, or not really established canon.
If what he said is really the case, then we should have been able to change race and gender as well, but we can't due to (understandable) game limitations.
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This talk about the mirror of transformation, or any other way to change gender, is moot anyway. Maevaris is a woman who is biologically male. Assuming she has the resources to change that, her reasons for not doing so are her own.
Modifié par nightscrawl, 28 mai 2016 - 01:34 .
But just imagine the implications! You loved someone all your life, and then POP! you suddenly have memories of loving a person you can't POSSIBLY have been attracted to. What would that do to you? Would you forget who that person was, suppressing those memories? Would it potentially alter your sexuality? Or would it cause massive brain damage and leave you a drooling vegetable?
Hell, what would do to that person's parents? You raised a human girl, but now they're a ... qunari boy? But I'm human! My wife is human! Did my wife cheat on me? But there are no qunari in my village! There are no qunari for hundreds of leagues! And why do I remember being overjoyed to have a daughter? THIS ISN'T POSSIBLE!
Personally, I like the idea that it would drive you barking mad. No blissful catatonia for you; instead, you get to spend the remainder of your days clawing at the walls of a sanitorium, screaming for the memories you know can't possibly be real to leave your brain.
Keep in mind, this sort of disdain for Tevinter is the same sort that Dorian faced, which led him to being prickly and defensive (which he acknowledges as a fault). So here you have a southerner, coming into your country, seeking your aid, who makes a sarcastic remark about you based entirely on assumption because of who you are (a Tevinter magister). Isabela doesn't know Maevaris, and yet makes this assumption. It was rude, and I think Mae had an appropriate response.
In fairness to Isabela though, her remark made sense in context and in retrospect. The reason she was in a foul mood and had missed part of their conversation was because she was busy having an argument with Lord Devon, who had threatened to reveal sordid details from her past.
We later learn from the comic that she had once agreed to ferry slaves for him, until she had been forced to drown an entire group, to avoid being hung should an Orlesian naval vessel have caught them onboard. We know this haunted her afterwards and that is why she later freed the slaves she found onboard Castillon's vessel. to try to atone for her past mistake.
Assuming as well that if Fenris was a canonical companion in the Bioware continuity, then her friendship (and potentially friends-with-benefits) with Fenris probably threw her even further into the anti-slavery camp.
All those reasons probably factored into why she said that remark in irritation. But yeah, you have to give props to Mae for being extremely restrained in her response and letting it slide off her.
^ Actually, I was just trying to keep it to Mae's POV and intentionally did not add that stuff about Isabela in the post. Her big thing is, "They don't know me, I know me," and then she makes a judgement about someone she doesn't know, someone who, as I said, is helping them. That doesn't fly with me, sorry.
And yes, I would say this if it were about anyone, not just concerning Isabela and Mae.
At any rate, I have little tolerance for rudeness in general.
^ Actually, I was just trying to keep it to Mae's POV and intentionally did not add that stuff about Isabela in the post. Her big thing is, "They don't know me, I know me," and then she makes a judgement about someone she doesn't know, someone who, as I said, is helping them. That doesn't fly with me, sorry.
And yes, I would say this if it were about anyone, not just concerning Isabela and Mae.
At any rate, I have little tolerance for rudeness in general.
Yeah, but it's clear that Isabela's good mood evaporated completely when Mae reveals she knows and is on friendly terms with Devon, a man Isabela utterly loathes because of their history together and his part in drowning the slaves.
I think that Mae probably lost some points with her as a result of that friendship (or at least mutual alliance), since afterwards we don't really see the two engage in any dialogue together, save for a couple sarcastic remarks. I don't think that Isabela necessarily dislikes Mae, but she does seem somewhat wary of her after that point. We see hints of this in one of the few bits of dialogue between them;
Maevaris: He wants to restore the Imperium, ruling Thedas with the power to reshape men's hearts.
Isabela: And you wouldn't, if you had his power?
Maevaris: My people have a wounded pride. Magic is useful, but it doesn't fix everything.
^ I really don't care, to be honest. My original post was only addressing Mae's assumed attitude toward slavery.
Isabela is going to be Isabela, just as Maevaris is going to be Maevaris.
^ I really don't care, to be honest. My original post was only addressing Mae's assumed attitude toward slavery.
Isabela is going to be Isabela, just as Maevaris is going to be Maevaris.
I think Mae probably sees slavery the same way that Dorian does, as something that probably needs to be addressed in the future, but cannot be done until some of the more outspoken and dangerous lunatics in the Magisterium are dealt with.
She seems to me to be someone who wants to do top-down reformation, changing how the Magisterium operates first, then proceeding to later try to change how the Tevinter society works once they've created a more stable government suited to enact and transition into those changes.
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