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[nightscrawl]

^ If there are any more magisters like Erimond (probably), then yeah... *Sigh* Tevinter is so messed up. It seems rather futile at times.

 

That's for the other thread, though.

[Andraste_Reborn]

If Calpernia and Maevaris are both in the next game, I think it would be an interesting conflict if Cal wanted to free the slaves but didn't care about all the blood magic while Mae thought they needed to fix the blood magic and political corruption first and didn't care as much about freeing the slaves. (Not necessarily because she thinks slavery is a good thing but because it must seem like a less urgent problem to a rich, privilaged Magister than it would to an ex-slave.)

[Lulupab]

I honestly think Alienages and Slavery are the same level of cruelty. As for human slaves, I'm sure there are very poor humans as well in south, living in same condition like alienages.

 

Neither can be removed overnight, but if there is even a slight chance slavery will be stopped in Tevinter that would require mending relations with the south and establishing full trade which is somewhat tied to politics. So I think Maevaris is on the correct path. Tevinter is in a constant war and isolated, slaves are the only means to economically support this situation.

[vbibbi]

I feel almost certain she will not be a companion but will be an advisor or other plot critical character. She might be the public head of the Lucerni while Dorian is the Inquisition representative and Calpurnia is an opposing political party leader. Maybe instead of mages or Templars we choose between the two different reform factions.


ETA: I second Andraste_Reborn's thoughts. A good morally gray decision would be between focusing on combating slavery or blood magic. Both are issues in Tevinter but they're so widespread that only one can realistically be dealt with at a time, and it's a matter of prioritizing which to tackle first.

[AresKeith]

If Calpernia and Maevaris are both in the next game, I think it would be an interesting conflict if Cal wanted to free the slaves but didn't care about all the blood magic while Mae thought they needed to fix the blood magic and political corruption first and didn't care as much about freeing the slaves. (Not necessarily because she thinks slavery is a good thing but because it must seem like a less urgent problem to a rich, privilaged Magister than it would to an ex-slave.)

 

That's kinda why I want both of them as companions, two conflicting views from Tevinter 

[Lulupab]

Calpernia is in no position to help anyone however, specially given the fact that she aided the Elder One and the scandal alone will keep her from getting any sort of power or authority in Tevinter. The best she can do is starting an underdog slave rebellion.

[vbibbi]

Calpernia is in no position to help anyone however, specially given the fact that she aided the Elder One and the scandal alone will keep her from getting any sort of power or authority in Tevinter. The best she can do is starting an underdog slave rebellion.

I don't know, just because she and Cory weren't successful doesn't necessarily mean she has lost all Tevinter support. There were a lot of Tevinters who quietly supported the Venatori without publicly pledging support. Some of them might still be happy to support the former second in command of the collapsed Venatori.

[Dai Grepher]

Men being pegged by women with strap ons is homosexual behaviour?

Yes, because its sodomy on a male. It's emasculating to the male. The action itself is homosexual for the male.

No wonder you seemed so painfully uneducated in that Weekes thread, you have absolutely no clue what homosexuality even is. Honestly, you're embarrassing yourself.

So I am unable to read what Weekes said about the Qunari faction we fought in Trespasser because you find my concept of moral absolutes to be uneducated?

And BW is writing characters like Dorian who are relevant to the storyline and happen to be LGBT. Leliana having a past relationship with Marjolaine, Anders with Karl, Isabela talking about both same-sex and opposite sex attraction is not forced, it adds texture to the world.

Dorian's storyline was a bit forced, like it had no relevance to anything. Leliana's past relationship was relevant to explaining a bit of Orlais, the life she left, and it gave her a basis for her bisexuality. Anders' character was destroyed in DA2. A prime example of why straight characters should not be turned bisexual for the sake of inclusion or diversity. Isabela was an NPC we found hanging out in a brothel, one with prior interaction with Zevran. So of course we would find lack of sexual morals with her, and of course this would carry over into DA2. Zevran also had cause to be bisexual, based on the life he was forced into. These are examples of various sexual preferences matching the storyline, except in Anders' case, which most people agree was a complete insult to the character we met in Awakening.

Nowhere in the canon was it stated how prevalent non-heterosexuality is in Thedas. And it's curious that people like you never moan about how straight characters are forced. Blackwall has no more relevance to the story than Bull.

Origins implies that its taboo. Inquisition has a codex about how Ferelden finds it strange, and punished if done openly, and Orlais sees it as a mere quirk of character. While in Antiva and Rivain its more open, and its encouraged in Tevinter among the slave class, but detested among the noble class.

Straight characters aren't forced. Heterosexuality is normal. Also, I don't remember any heterosexual character make a big deal out of their sexuality. Most of the straight romances are actually difficult to initiate, with the exception of Morrigan of course, and her reason was obvious. But think about it. Alistair's is moderately difficult, and if he's king then he'll only stay with a female Cousland, unless hardened. Anora will only marry a male Cousland who proves persuasive enough. Sebastian is highly difficult, and even outright says that he wants a chaste relationship. Cassandra tries to make excuses as to why you shouldn't seek her affection, and even in her own story she had never loved anyone except for Regalyan. Blackwall will appreciate the flirting but will warn against a relationship with him. Then you have to go get him out of jail if you want to continue the romance. Cullen is moderately difficult, and you have to be rather assertive in the relationship. Solas... well, is obvious.

Also, Blackwall is highly relevant to the storyline. He's linked to the Grey Wardens, and he's linked to Orlesian politics. Iron Bull is just a spy and a merc. He didn't really become relevant until Trespasser, and even then it's only a loose connection. He's either been severed from the Qunari or he's generally useless to the situation.

There's also the fact that you cannot apply statistics to a non-random sample of the population (which is our party). How probable is that in one randomly selected group from the Marches you have 4 people from Ferelden (with 1 having Orlesian roots), 2 from the Marches, 1 from Nevvara, 1 from Tevinter, and 1 from Rivain?

I don't see what your point is here. Are you referring to the DA2 party? In any case, the companions we get are supposed to stand out because they have some relevance to the current events.

There are no BW employees who support your quest for less LGBT companions or the lack of trans romances, so you're just wasting our time.

There are BioWare employees who support my quest for quality storyline, and going out into uncharted waters and risking a complete failure in portraying such characters takes away from that quality. They know they shouldn't include characters that they can't write well. Krem was an NPC, and yet the target audience still had problems with that character. This is despite Weekes wanting that character in the game, and even consulting with LGBT people for advice on how to write the character. He admits that his first draft was strongly rejected among that audience.

If you, for some reason, don't want to date bisexual women, you have only yourself to blame for limiting your options.

Not when BioWare is making the game.

I'm not going to explain what hygiene is to you, because there's no point, but if you're not rough, neither anal, nor vaginal sex cause physical damage. If you are, both can lead to injuries.

I'm not getting into that discussion, because this isn't the place for it. The point is that a player character who is a heterosexual male will not want anything other than a biological female. So biological females should be included in the game as romanceable. Tilani should not be implemented as an option for heterosexual males.

[Dai Grepher]

Well, in two games the Mirror has only been able to change your face, voice and skin colour. You can't change your race, gender or body type.

As to why it can't, the Mirror of Transformation also edits the memories of the people around you. A smaller nose or a different slant to your eyes is one thing; perhaps changing your race or gender or body type is just too big of an alteration for the Mirror to force on the universe

Imagine if one of your former or current partners looked in the Mirror and became a man, Banshee. You're gay, but now you have months, maybe years of memories of being in a relationship with a man. What would that do to you? Probably drive you batshit crazy, that's what.

In theory, the mirror would alter reality around the reality that the character's gender was changed. It would mean that the character never started a romance with the partner. In other words, a character who romanced Cassrandra, then changes his gender with the mirror, would return to Skyhold and speak to Cassandra, who would have no memory of ever having engaged with the Inquisitor in any kind of intimacy. She might remember you flirting with her, and then when she pulled you off to the side to let you know that she couldn't return your affections, but that's it.

The real mind-F is... does anyone who uses the mirror actually remember doing so? How do your characters know they used it? Maybe they think they only looked into it to see their reflections. They don't remember the original life they had, they think the one they created is the original. Your Inquisitor may have been a green-skinned bisexual female Vashoth archer with a British accent before visiting the Black Emporium.

As others have suggested, it could go bad, but I think it could also be done well. I don't think we should immediately jump to the potential negative; that leads to never trying anything again for fear of how it might turn out, which leads to stagnation.

But there's also no reason to create such a romance. The game itself is supposed to only have romances as a side benefit. Adding too much will take away from the main plot, and BioWare doesn't want DA to be a dating sim.

Everything else aside, I find the continued negativity of possibility in this thread to be the most disheartening. Many people are looking immediately to the negative thing without considering the possibility that it could be done well.

No, it's just the possibility is slight.

^ If there are any more magisters like Erimond (probably), then yeah... *Sigh* Tevinter is so messed up. It seems rather futile at times.

Hey! His name is Livius. Show the character respect and use his first name please.

[Biotic Apostate]

So... How about some Mae fan art?

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[Lulupab]

I don't know, just because she and Cory weren't successful doesn't necessarily mean she has lost all Tevinter support. There were a lot of Tevinters who quietly supported the Venatori without publicly pledging support. Some of them might still be happy to support the former second in command of the collapsed Venatori.

 

It could be possible, but it would need some serious explanation. With Venatori and Elder One defeated, all magisters who supported them will face the same scandal as well. And as I said scandal is least of their worries, they might even be more serious repercussions.

[Sifr]

Yes, because its sodomy on a male. It's emasculating to the male. The action itself is homosexual for the male.

 

Err, it's not emasculating if the man in question enjoys it?

 

I don't think you understand that some people enjoy different things. Homosexual men would never have sex if they found the experience unpleasant, nor would some straight or pansexual individuals wish to engage in both this and other similar acts with partners, regardless of gender.

 

Likewise, being a lesbian does not necessarily preclude someone from owning certain items in the bedroom that resemble part of the male anatomy, despite having not sexual attraction towards men or their genitalia whatsoever.

 

You might wish to go and learn how human sexuality works before making such claims in future.

 

So I am unable to read what Weekes said about the Qunari faction we fought in Trespasser because you find my concept of moral absolutes to be uneducated?

 

This statement is the most correct you've been for some time. It's either unfortunate or ironic.

 

Hey! His name is Livius. Show the character respect and use his first name please.

 

Don't claim this is a double standard, when you refuse to do this with Mae.

 

So... How about some Mae fan art?

 

Yes please... anything to curb more derailments and remember that the topic was supposed  to be about how Mae should appear in the next game in some major role and what precisely that should be?

[thats1evildude]

Like I said earlier, I'd rather have Calpernia. She really churns my butter, even though she's not usually the type of woman I'm into.

[Biotic Apostate]

This statement is the most correct you've been for some time. It's either unfortunate or ironic.

While I agree (60 pages...), I meant the closed Weekes Krem and Bull thread, where Grepher, an armchair specialist, tried to explain homosexuality to me and get me to agree that I should be super happy to have a friend that thinks being gay is wrong, but "accepts" me. According to Grepher, homosexuality is a behaviour. Grephers will be Grephers, so let's just ignore Grepher. Circular logic is all we're gonna get.

 

(Also, sodomy? What is this, the 18th century?)

[Biotic Apostate]

Another one (the fandom is pretty active, considering that her only on-screen appearance was in the comics)

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[Dai Grepher]

Err, it's not emasculating if the man in question enjoys it?

That makes no sense. You are claiming that it is not emasculating because the male enjoys being emasculated.

I don't think you understand that some people enjoy different things.

What a foolish thing for you think think then. Of course different people like different things. That doesn't change the reality of those things however.

Homosexual men would never have sex if they found the experience unpleasant, nor would some straight or pansexual individuals wish to engage in both this and other similar acts with partners, regardless of gender.

Oh you're painting with a broad brush. Don't presume to speak for all people everywhere.

Likewise, being a lesbian does not necessarily preclude someone from owning certain items in the bedroom that resemble part of the male anatomy, despite having not sexual attraction towards men or their genitalia whatsoever.

It says something different about them, as they are a different subject entirely.

This statement is the most correct you've been for some time. It's either unfortunate or ironic.

Or you're just being illogical, as the two things have nothing to do with each other. Biotic Apostate even replied that he was referring to a different Weekes thread. So, way to go making yourself look like a biased contrarian.

Don't claim this is a double standard, when you refuse to do this with Mae.

What does my refusal have to do with nightscrawl's action? He's the one who failed to live up to the standards he sets on others. I merely pointed that out.

Yes please... anything to curb more derailments and remember that the topic was supposed  to be about how Mae should appear in the next game in some major role and what precisely that should be?

NPC. Possibly as a villain.

[Biotic Apostate]

And another one. I'm interested how they will tackle Tevene fashion.

 

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[Catilina]

And another one. I'm interested how they will tackle Tevene fashion.

 

Really classy, nice, but this staff design is very common.

[Lulupab]

That staff design is Tevinter anyway, so any you find in south is either originated there or inspired by it.

[Catilina]

That staff design is Tevinter anyway, so any you find in south is either originated there or inspired by it.

Plus, undoubtedly fits the dress ...

[Sifr]

And another one. I'm interested how they will tackle Tevene fashion.

 

Based on the concept art we've seen and the depiction in the comics, if Orlesians take their fashion tips from Regency France and Fereldans take theirs from Medieval England, then Tevinter seems to be a land of Victorian Gothic.

 

Kind of hope they keep that gothic look in the next game for Vint characters and clothing options.

[vbibbi]

It could be possible, but it would need some serious explanation. With Venatori and Elder One defeated, all magisters who supported them will face the same scandal as well. And as I said scandal is least of their worries, they might even be more serious repercussions.

True enough. I just think Calpurnia could be set up as a significant political figure in Tevinter easily enough. She will be a familiar face and enough backstory that Bioware doesn't need to create a new character to fill her position of former slave Mage who wants to reform the system. She's a good foil to Dorian.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Yes, because its sodomy on a male. It's emasculating to the male. The action itself is homosexual for the male.

 

By that logic, are lesbians using a strap-on somehow having heterosexual sex? I had no idea dildos could magically alter the gender of people who used them!

[Biotic Apostate]

Kind of hope they keep that gothic look in the next game for Vint characters and clothing options.

I agree. With lots of black and gold. And as Hawke would say it, have everything be festooned with ruffles!

[Jedi Comedian]

Yes, because its sodomy on a male. It's emasculating to the male. The action itself is homosexual for the male.


So I am unable to read what Weekes said about the Qunari faction we fought in Trespasser because you find my concept of moral absolutes to be uneducated?


Dorian's storyline was a bit forced, like it had no relevance to anything. Leliana's past relationship was relevant to explaining a bit of Orlais, the life she left, and it gave her a basis for her bisexuality. Anders' character was destroyed in DA2. A prime example of why straight characters should not be turned bisexual for the sake of inclusion or diversity. Isabela was an NPC we found hanging out in a brothel, one with prior interaction with Zevran. So of course we would find lack of sexual morals with her, and of course this would carry over into DA2. Zevran also had cause to be bisexual, based on the life he was forced into. These are examples of various sexual preferences matching the storyline, except in Anders' case, which most people agree was a complete insult to the character we met in Awakening.


Origins implies that its taboo. Inquisition has a codex about how Ferelden finds it strange, and punished if done openly, and Orlais sees it as a mere quirk of character. While in Antiva and Rivain its more open, and its encouraged in Tevinter among the slave class, but detested among the noble class.

Straight characters aren't forced. Heterosexuality is normal. Also, I don't remember any heterosexual character make a big deal out of their sexuality. Most of the straight romances are actually difficult to initiate, with the exception of Morrigan of course, and her reason was obvious. But think about it. Alistair's is moderately difficult, and if he's king then he'll only stay with a female Cousland, unless hardened. Anora will only marry a male Cousland who proves persuasive enough. Sebastian is highly difficult, and even outright says that he wants a chaste relationship. Cassandra tries to make excuses as to why you shouldn't seek her affection, and even in her own story she had never loved anyone except for Regalyan. Blackwall will appreciate the flirting but will warn against a relationship with him. Then you have to go get him out of jail if you want to continue the romance. Cullen is moderately difficult, and you have to be rather assertive in the relationship. Solas... well, is obvious.

Also, Blackwall is highly relevant to the storyline. He's linked to the Grey Wardens, and he's linked to Orlesian politics. Iron Bull is just a spy and a merc. He didn't really become relevant until Trespasser, and even then it's only a loose connection. He's either been severed from the Qunari or he's generally useless to the situation.


I don't see what your point is here. Are you referring to the DA2 party? In any case, the companions we get are supposed to stand out because they have some relevance to the current events.


There are BioWare employees who support my quest for quality storyline, and going out into uncharted waters and risking a complete failure in portraying such characters takes away from that quality. They know they shouldn't include characters that they can't write well. Krem was an NPC, and yet the target audience still had problems with that character. This is despite Weekes wanting that character in the game, and even consulting with LGBT people for advice on how to write the character. He admits that his first draft was strongly rejected among that audience.


Not when BioWare is making the game.


I'm not getting into that discussion, because this isn't the place for it. The point is that a player character who is a heterosexual male will not want anything other than a biological female. So biological females should be included in the game as romanceable. Tilani should not be implemented as an option for heterosexual males.

I'm not really an open-minded person, nor a left-winger for that matter, but seriously, some of the things you're saying in this post are borderline 'phobic.