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[Sifr]

I agree. With lots of black and gold. And as Hawke would say it, have everything be festooned in ruffles!

 

As someone who wears muted colours and black regularly, I endorse this suggestion.

 

Also ruffles, because why not... plus the word is fun to say! Ruffles! 

 

I'm not really an open-minded person, nor a left-winger for that matter, but seriously, some of the things you're saying in this post are borderline 'phobic.

 

Depends where you stand, it's either borderline or so passed the border it's drifting in the mid-Atlantic... hard to say, really?

 

It's off-topic, regardless.

[vbibbi]

I'm not really an open-minded person, nor a left-winger for that matter, but seriously, some of the things you're saying in this post are borderline 'phobic.

Borderline is being generous.

[nightscrawl]

Here are a couple of arts...
 

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From cocotingo on tumblr.

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From Slugette on tumblr.

 
I really like the ones you've posted, Biotic. The color schemes are my jam. (Try to post sources as well, especially if they're from Tumblr, so I can like/reblog.)

[Jedi Comedian]

Borderline is being generous.

I know, I just don't want to begin yet another circle jerk.

[raging_monkey]

Just made want her more sexy woman

[Biotic Apostate]

@nightscrawl I usually do, sorry. Sources added!

[nightscrawl]

^ OH the artist who did the young Dorian also did another that I'm familiar with, I think. I just adore the Tevinter aesthetic; I made a whole gushy post about it in the Tevinter thread. There are quite a few fanarts with Dorian in a black and gold theme, so it's fun to see that carry over to Mae as well.

[Daerog]

Just poppin' in, only read first two and last pages.

I would prefer Mae as an optional patron. As in, you can get the support from a house on your rise to power, and Mae (with Lucerni support) can be an option. Other options could include Tevinter traditionalists or underground rogues that are anti-magic/slave radicals.

While I like the Lucerni, being forced into the group would be limiting.

Mae is still a big figure you can visit, maybe a temporary companion, but as a magister, she shouldn't be under your command.

[Biotic Apostate]

^ OH the artist who did the young Dorian also did another that I'm familiar with, I think. I just adore the Tevinter aesthetic; I made a whole gushy post about it in the Tevinter thread. There are quite a few fanarts with Dorian in a black and gold theme, so it's fun to see that carry over to Mae as well.

Yeah I really enjoy the style and the palette too. Was even wondering, if for the furniture they'd to a mash up of gothic and rococo (but with more snakes, obviously). Some people were underwhelmed with the Winter Palace, but I really liked the architecture. Now that they are comfortable with the engine, I can't wait to see Minrathous.

[nightscrawl]

Just poppin' in, only read first two and last pages.

I would prefer Mae as an optional patron. As in, you can get the support from a house on your rise to power, and Mae (with Lucerni support) can be an option. Other options could include Tevinter traditionalists or underground rogues that are anti-magic/slave radicals.

While I like the Lucerni, being forced into the group would be limiting.

Mae is still a big figure you can visit, maybe a temporary companion, but as a magister, she shouldn't be under your command.

 

This isn't about Mae specifically, but does Bioware do factions of this type? That is, meaningful, full story factions? They haven't so far in Dragon Age. The largest factional separation that we've seen has been between mages and templars, mostly of a moral debate, and even in DAI the differences were pretty minor and didn't affect the the game in any great way.

 

Of course, this doesn't mean that they can't or won't depart from their standard MO and do something different in DA4, but only that we have three past examples to show us it might not be likely. For all their options and choices, these games have been pretty linear. They will also be hesitant to have too great a separation along those lines; they don't appear to like to have any variation for the ending possibilities of the game because of the way that in could lead into the succeeding game. So let's say we have two factions, but the choice in them leads to the same place, and basically amounts to nothing? How is that at all satisfying?

 

They learned a hard lesson with the DAO epilogues and are still having to account for [the lack of] those; players STILL bring them up.

[Daerog]

It would be a little different, but not change the likelihood of a shared ending, like in Trespasser.

In DA2, you got to be with the mercenaries or smugglers to start off, and I would have liked to continue the relationship with those factions throughout the game. They are contacts/resources Hawke could have used.

I would like a faction game, just to have a group of unique quests, like how unique quests opened up depending on the Inquisitor race and chosen allies, but about increasing the influence of a patron house. Playing the Tevinter Game, basically.

Then Qunari war, destruction, shared ending, just different on how the hero of Tevinter got to that point and the usual little details.

[Melbella]

Based on the concept art we've seen and the depiction in the comics, if Orlesians take their fashion tips from Regency France and Fereldans take theirs from Medieval England, then Tevinter seems to be a land of Victorian Gothic.
 
Kind of hope they keep that gothic look in the next game for Vint characters and clothing options.

I get a steampunk vibe from a lot of the Tevinter ruins/outposts we visit in DAI (ex: the Still Ruins). Everything is just so....spiky, as if the act of existing is a protest against the universe.

[Dai Grepher]

Really classy, nice, but this staff design is very common.

Good design, even if it isn't Tilani's style. It's very Orochimaru-ish.

By that logic, are lesbians using a strap-on somehow having heterosexual sex? I had no idea dildos could magically alter the gender of people who used them!

Like I wrote in a previous reply to someone else, it's a different case with different dynamics. However, for the female being penetrated there is a certain element of heterosexuality to that action, yes. Though I would not call such a female heterosexual.

I'm not really an open-minded person, nor a left-winger for that matter, but seriously, some of the things you're saying in this post are borderline 'phobic.

Impossible. Nothing I post is irrational. Therefore I can never be phobic. If you have issue with anything I post, quote and reply to it and I will be happy to discuss it. I believe it only seems phobic to you because you are used to observing only one side of the debate.

Now then, separate issue:

I have come to the conclusion that Magister Tilani should be an NPC that appears only during specific segments of the game, similar to Celene or Gaspard. The main reason is because the character's backstory and portrayal is too large of an undertaking for BioWare at this time. Remember that Tevinter is the next location, and BioWare will need to focus resources on making that country mysterious and stunning. That means designing actual buildings, structures, and man-made landscapes. The cities will need to be huge, and infused with magic. The interior designs will need to be wondrous. The items and objects will need to fit the theme.

The storyline will need to focus on the Tevinter culture. Its triumphs, its shortcomings, its challenges. Some of these can be show to us by Tilani, but delving into that character will distract from them.

Tevinter will not be the only place we visit though. We will likely see Weisshaupt as well as the Anderfels. Maybe Serault. Hopefully Kal-Sharok. Perhaps even Seheron. There should also be some ancient elvhen ruins in the mix, as well as places in the Crossroads and the Fade.

BioWare needs to focus on these things. I say put Dorian in the part as a mandatory companion to be the link between the player and Tevinter, as well as the (ex)Inquisitor. Then give us companions that are relevant to the various storylines.

Dorian is already connected to relevant characters. The (ex)Inquisitor, Calpernia, Alexius (possibly), Tilani, the Qunari through combat with them, and even some old faces like the Iron Bull (if alive) and in various ways depending on storyline, as well as Sera, Cole, and Thom Rainier. If we go to Weisshaupt, Blackwall will likely be there, and having Dorian there could provide extra options if both he and Thom were recruited. Oh... and Solas if he's in the next game, and he likely will be.

Who is Tilani connected to? Alistair? Varric? Two people we don't care to see AGAIN in DA4. And even if we want to see Varric, Dorian has a better connection to him after DA:I.

So I think BioWare should leave the issue alone and just focus on making high quality levels and storyline. Let Tilani be a higher-up NPC that helps move the plot.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Like I wrote in a previous reply to someone else, it's a different case with different dynamics. However, for the female being penetrated there is a certain element of heterosexuality to that action, yes. Though I would not call such a female heterosexual.

 

What if a woman is penetrating herself with a toy? Is that heterosexual? What if a dude is into using dildos on himself? Is that somehow emasculating and therefore gay even if there isn't another person there?

 

(Sorry, everyone, I know I should stop, but I'm just trying to work out exactly how much surprisingly gay sex my straight friends and I are having. It's totally ridiculous important!)

 

... anyway, on the actual topic: if Mae did end up a companion, what kind of armor would you like to see her in? Do you think she'd go the Vivienne route of believing fabulousness is the best defense, or choose something more practical for walking through swamps in?

 

And for people who think she's too important to follow us around in the field: I'd have said the same about Aveline from Act II on and Vivienne, but they were companions anyway.

[nightscrawl]

As the person who brought the topic of pegging into the thread, I'd ask that we please move away from specific sexual acts and other mechanics of sex. I'd like for the thread to stay open. I only raised the issue to make a point, which was lost. It's very clear that people like Dai Grepher have specific notions about certain things and that those aren't going to change, regardless of how many counter examples we might provide. It's a lost cause.
 
 

... anyway, on the actual topic: if Mae did end up a companion, what kind of armor would you like to see her in? Do you think she'd go the Vivienne route of believing fabulousness is the best defense, or choose something more practical for walking through swamps in?

Hm... It's hard to judge at the moment. We saw so little of her in the comics that it's difficult to know her attitude about that sort of thing. I think Dorian had a decent combination of fashion mixed with practicality -- if you can call that leather contraption "practical" -- perhaps she will go that route.

As I said previously, I did really like the DAI method of the iconic follower appearance that could be slightly altered, but still maintain a "look." I'm hoping they do that again.
 

And for people who think she's too important to follow us around in the field: I'd have said the same about Aveline from Act II on and Vivienne, but they were companions anyway.

Good point! My issue is really about where Dorian fits into all that, since it doesn't seem like they will both be followers or both be advisors. I'd fully expect one or the other in each role.

[AresKeith]

Like I wrote in a previous reply to someone else, it's a different case with different dynamics. However, for the female being penetrated there is a certain element of heterosexuality to that action, yes. Though I would not call such a female heterosexual.
 

 

If I wasn't under the assumption you were a troll before, I do now

[raging_monkey]

What if a woman is penetrating herself with a toy? Is that heterosexual? What if a dude is into using dildos on himself? Is that somehow emasculating and therefore gay even if there isn't another person there?

(Sorry, everyone, I know I should stop, but I'm just trying to work out exactly how much surprisingly gay sex my straight friends and I are having. It's totally ridiculous important!)

... anyway, on the actual topic: if Mae did end up a companion, what kind of armor would you like to see her in? Do you think she'd go the Vivienne route of believing fabulousness is the best defense, or choose something more practical for walking through swamps in?

And for people who think she's too important to follow us around in the field: I'd have said the same about Aveline from Act II on and Vivienne, but they were companions anyway.

probably practical yet deceptively elegant

[Daerog]

Viv lost her position due to the war and Aveline stuck around Kirkwall where she worked (except for the dlc adventures, but she probably just left a second in command in charge, it's not like the guard need Aveline to be Kirkwall's guard).

If we are travelling around Tevinter, Mae would have to leave another in charge at her headquarters to deal with constant politics and spies. Being pulled to remote locations would leave her powerbase vulnerable to rivals.

This is why having her, a magister in power, as a companion would be odd to me. Unless we start out as a more powerful magister or she somehow lost power.

[nightscrawl]

probably practical yet deceptively elegant

 

I'll bet she'll have some killer thigh-high boots for swamp trudging.

[Andraste_Reborn]

As the person who brought the topic of pegging into the thread, I'd ask that we please move away from specific sexual acts and other mechanics of sex. I'd like for the thread to stay open. I only raised the issue to make a point, which was lost. It's very clear that people like Dai Grepher have specific notions about certain things and that those aren't going to change, regardless of how many counter examples we might provide. It's a lost cause.
 

 

Sorry, nightscrawl, you're right. I will stop poking the metaphorical clown car of bewildering ideas about sex and gender and get back to the topic at hand.

 

As I said previously, I did really like the DAI method of the iconic follower appearance that could be slightly altered, but still maintain a "look." I'm hoping they do that again.

 

It's by far the best system of the three they've tried out so far, and I certainly hope they stick with it. (Not being able to do anything with follower armor in DA2 wasn't ideal, but nor was being able to put Morrigan into Chantry robes in DAO.)

 

Some of my favourite fanart from DAI is of an Inquisitor trying to get Dorian undressed and completely failing because how do his clothes even work?!

 

Good point! My issue is really about where Dorian fits into all that, since it doesn't seem like they will both be followers or both be advisors. I'd fully expect one or the other in each role.

 

I'd prefer Dorian as the advisor/important NPC and Mae as a companion just because we already ran around half of Thedas with Dorian. Not that I'd be unhappy to run around the other half, but variety is the spice of life!

[Battlebloodmage]

I love how in BSN, we can't never stay on topic. The previous thread on sexual stereotype got turned into minority representation in Hollywood, this thread turns into pegging. 

[Battlebloodmage]

If Mae weren't romanceable, maybe we could play wingman for her like with Aveline and Cole. Find her a guy or a girl, depending on her taste. 

[nightscrawl]

If Mae weren't romanceable, maybe we could play wingman for her like with Aveline and Cole. Find her a guy or a girl, depending on her taste. 

 

If there wouldn't be issues with this, I wouldn't mind seeing Dorian try to do that with our PC and Mae. I think that would be adorable. Then again, I also want Mae to have some teasing remarks about Dorian and his guy (I'd imagine they would have met at some point), so... I just want all sorts of adorableness.

 

Yes, I'm also leery of the whole " 'forever alone' gay friend acting as romantic go-between" trope, but I think that is mitigated in this case if he already has a partner. Of course, that is not guaranteed in every play, or even a majority of plays, only those that import a Dorian romance, so the issue does still remain.

 

OR! If we have a male dwarf follower and optional LI, perhaps he and Mae will get together if the PC doesn't romance either one. That would be fun too, I think.
 
 

Some of my favourite fanart from DAI is of an Inquisitor trying to get Dorian undressed and completely failing because how do his clothes even work?!

Ahaha... I've made fun use of that device as well.

 

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The only thing I was never able to figure out was that leather panel on his right side... I've had to fudge over some of that in writing.

 

Uh... anyway...

[Andraste_Reborn]

I love how in BSN, we can't never stay on topic. The previous thread on sexual stereotype got turned into minority representation in Hollywood, this thread turns into pegging. 

 

There was a time back before DAI when it seemed like every single thread eventually devolved into a discussion of qunari penis size.

 

If Mae weren't romanceable, maybe we could play wingman for her like with Aveline and Cole. Find her a guy or a girl, depending on her taste. 

 

I would actually prefer that to romancing her, because I fear Carth Syndrome and generally don't think BioWare have handled romances with characters that have dead husbands/wives very well. (The only one I really like is Zevran, and that's because he has so many things going on that Rinna's death is pretty much a footnote in his backstory.) But I would like to see her find love again, and I'd be happy to help out with that. Somehow I think she'd be a bit smoother about it than Aveline ...

[DuskWanderer]

Romance is not easy, and we are spoiled too much by titillation.