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[Jedi Comedian]

Well, bisexual people in fiction shouldn't be allowed to do bad things. That's just offensive.

Creators should follow the example of DAI, where every single non-monstrous villain is white and (if their sexuality is addressed at all) straight.

(Note: I actually don't care about this. I just noticed it as a trend in DAI wherein Gay=Good and Straight=EEEEEEEEEVIL)

I know both evil straight and gay people IRL. And I wouldn't define Dorian and Sera as "good", he is pretty much set in the ways of Tevinter, and she is very roguish. Not exactly saint material.

[Illyria]

Edit: Also, I don't think Sebastian belongs on the morally upstanding list, he was a warmonger, who lashed out at an entire city to punish one person. Also, unlike Alistair and Cassandra, he's extremely self-righteous. I don't find him to be a positive character at all.

 

Warmonger?  I remember him offering Kirkwall nothing but aid...

 

*innocent whistle*

[thats1evildude]

If only there was some clearer way to identify the virtuous bisexuals in our midst without them loudly announcing their attraction to both genders. Perhaps we could develop some series of hand gestures all bisexuals could perform?

Or maybe we could have some kind of in-game gaydar at the bottom right of the screen that could ping whenever you look at a LGBT character? No, wait, that would too clearly identify the villains.

I know both evil straight and gay people IRL. And I wouldn't define Dorian and Sera as "good", he is pretty much set in the ways of Tevinter, and she is very roguish. Not exactly saint material.

They're in opposition to Corypheus (who was, tellingly, straight before he became a darkspawn). Whatever other moral failings they may have, that basically puts them on the side of the angels. Sort of. I mean, we're in league with Solas, so I guess we're still kind of bad.

In retrospect, we should have known something was up with Solas. A STRAIGHT elf? Clearly dodgy.

[Jedi Comedian]

If only there was some clearer way to identify the virtuous bisexuals in our midst without them loudly announcing their attraction to both genders. Perhaps we could develop some series of hand gestures all bisexuals could perform?

Maybe we could have some kind of in-game gaydar at the bottom right of the screen that goes from straight to bi to gay to trans whenever you look at a character? No, wait, that would too clearly identify the villains.



They're in opposition to Corypheus (who was, tellingly, straight before he became a darkspawn). Whatever other moral failings they may have, that basically puts them on the side of the angels.

To put an example, in BG2 going against Jon Irenicus doesn't change the fact you can be a Chaotic Evil Psycho.

Look, nobody said straight people is bad and lgbt is good, that's pure bullshit, I can think of both straight and lgbt people whose guts I hate.

Heck, there are some straight people I like more than some lgbt people.

[Biotic Apostate]

Warmonger?  I remember him offering Kirkwall nothing but aid...

 

*innocent whistle*

https://youtu.be/F8Q4lgaN8ZE?t=101

He promises to start a war and destroy Kirkwall over one man, and in Inquisition he want to invade a state, even though he knows Anders is not there anymore. So yes, warmonger. He doesn't get dismissed, because people miss his banter, he gets dismissed, because people dislike him. But as you said, this is not an Anders vs Sebastian thread.

[Illyria]

If only there was some clearer way to identify the virtuous bisexuals in our midst without them loudly announcing their attraction to both genders. Perhaps we could develop some series of hand gestures all bisexuals could perform?

 

Maybe we could have some kind of in-game gaydar at the bottom right of the screen that goes from straight to bi to gay to trans whenever you look at a character? No, wait, that would too clearly identify the villains.

 

You're still missing my point completely.

 

The way Leliana's sexuality was done was pretty good.  She flirts with Morrigan, makes a reference to the sisters at chantry being easy on the eye, makes some comments about Alistair when the Warden is romancing him.  Her attraction to men and women is made clear through her dialogue.  Anyone talking to her, or listening to banter is well aware that she likes men and women.  Compare her dialogue to Merrill's: Merrill will comment on the attractiveness of Qunari, and seems interested in Carver when he awkwardly flirts with her ('did I miss another dirty thing?'), but her attraction to women is more confined to when she's being romanced by Hawke, and almost non-existant with m!Hawke (there's some banter with Bela that hints otherwise).  It's the same with Fenris.  If he's not romanced by m!Hawke then he's easy to read as straight.  In Act III, when Bela and Fenris can hook up, BW could've easily had Bela and Merrill hook up instead, or had Bethany develop a crush on Merrill if Hawke is a warrior or a rogue.  Have Merrill make a few comments about an attractive woman she's seen in the same way she talks about the Qunari being easy on the eyes, even.

[Illyria]

https://youtu.be/F8Q4lgaN8ZE?t=101

He promises to start a war and destroy Kirkwall over one man, and in Inquisition he want to invade a state, even though he knows Anders is not there anymore. So yes, warmonger. He doesn't get dismissed, because people miss his banter, he gets dismissed, because people dislike him. But as you said, this is not an Anders vs Sebastian thread.

 

*hides murder knife*

 

Yes, I'm sure I know what you're talking about.  I too always choose Anders over Seb.  I have totally heard that dialogue before.

 

(alright, alright.  I'll stop).

[thats1evildude]

Look, nobody said straight people is bad and lgbt is good, that's pure bullshit, I can think of both straight and lgbt people whose guts I hate.

I said that, based on my observation that all the evil people in DAI are straight (or demons).

Name someone serving Corypheus who is definitely gay or bi and I'll withdraw my statement. (Demons don't count.)

You're still missing my point completely.

The way Leliana's sexuality was done was pretty good. She flirts with Morrigan, makes a reference to the sisters at chantry being easy on the eye, makes some comments about Alistair when the Warden is romancing him. Her attraction to men and women is made clear through her dialogue. Anyone talking to her, or listening to banter is well aware that she likes men and women. Compare her dialogue to Merrill's: Merrill will comment on the attractiveness of Qunari, and seems interested in Carver when he awkwardly flirts with her ('did I miss another dirty thing?'), but her attraction to women is more confined to when she's being romanced by Hawke, and almost non-existant with m!Hawke (there's some banter with Bela that hints otherwise). It's the same with Fenris. If he's not romanced by m!Hawke then he's easy to read as straight.

Like I said: hand signals. *Taps nose*

Now I have to go lie down as the very idea of Isabela/Merrill is horrifying.

[Illyria]

I said that, based on my observation that all the evil people in DAI are straight (or demons).

Name someone serving Corypheus who is definitely gay or bi and I'll withdraw my statement. (Demons don't count.)

 

There's no evidence any of them are straight.

[raging_monkey]

I said that, based on my observation that all the evil people in DAI are straight (or demons).

Name someone serving Corypheus who is definitely gay or bi and I'll withdraw my statement. (Demons don't count.)

Cory could have been playing ball for the other team... Of and the magister that tricked the wardens that beard screams "I'm so pretty"

Okay poor offensive jokes aside the guy who rules Fereldan during it's occupation slept with his cousin then emperor and got exiled so there's that(unless retained been awhile)

[thats1evildude]

There's no evidence any of them are straight.

Calpernia loved Marius. Alexius had a kid and loved his wife. Corypheus used to be married to a woman. Knight-Captain Carroll hit on Leliana and Morrigan. The others are left ambigious, since their sexuality is irrelevant to their part in the story.

And I said in DAI, not the previous games. Though heterosexuality was a fairly reliable indicator of shaky morals in previous games, there were a couple gay villains. Branka, for instance.

 

And she was a good villain, because her sexuality was basically her only humanizing factor and she tossed her lover aside because of her obsession with THE ANVIL.

[fhs33721]

I said that, based on my observation that all the evil people in DAI are straight (or demons).

Celene? Not exactly a morally upstanding person by any definition.

 

Name someone serving Corypheus who is definitely gay or bi and I'll withdraw my statement. (Demons don't count.)

Are you implying that Magister Erimond did not have a huge boner for his beloved elder one?

[thats1evildude]

Celene? Not exactly a morally upstanding person by any definition.

But is willing to side with the Inquisition and definitely does not serve Corypheus.

Are you implying that Magister Erimond did not have a huge boner for his beloved elder one?

A religious boner, not a literal one.

[Illyria]

Calpernia loved Marius. Alexius had a kid and loved his wife. Corypheus used to be married to a woman. Knight-Captain Carroll hit on Leliana and Morrigan.

And I said in DAI, not the previous games. Though heterosexuality was a fairly reliable indicator of shaky morals in previous games, there were a couple gay villains. Branka, for instance.

 

And she was a good villain, because her sexuality was basically her only humanizing factor and she tossed her lover aside because of her obsession with THE ANVIL.

 

Again, there's no evidence any of them straight.

[fhs33721]

But is willing to side with the Inquisition and definitely does not serve Corypheus.

So you are now only counting as evil if you work for one specific evil organization? Sounds legit.

 

A religious boner, not a literal one.

But how do you know?

[Illyria]

So you are now only counting as evil if you work for one specific evil organization? Sounds legit.

 

But how do you know?

 

Celene is morally grey, but not evil.

 

And Erimond was totally in love with Cory.  That's 100% canon.

[thats1evildude]

So you are now only counting as evil if you work for one specific evil organization? Sounds legit.?

Name someone else in DAI outside of Corypheus' circle who is gay and evil. Feel free to include the DLCs.

But how do you know?

He never did the hand signals.

[Jedi Comedian]

I said that, based on my observation that all the evil people in DAI are straight (or demons).

Name someone serving Corypheus who is definitely gay or bi and I'll withdraw my statement. (Demons don't count.)

Like I said: hand signals. *Taps nose*

Now I have to go lie down as the very idea of Isabela/Merrill is horrifying.

Tons of str8 people in our party: Alistair, Morrigan, Oghren, Loghain, Varric, Sebastian, Bethany, Cass, Solas, Thom, Vivienne...

[thats1evildude]

Half of those are not in DAI. And again, do not serve Corypheus.

Cassandra, Blackwall, Solas (morally grey is not the same as evil), Varric (debatable, all we know he likes ladies), Vivienne (again, nothing confirmed other than her liking men), Alistair (can join if he's a Warden), Morrigan.

No serve Corypheus.

[Illyria]

Half of those are not in DAI.

 

Cassandra, Blackwall, Solas (morally grey is not the same as evil), Varric (debatable, all we know he likes ladies), Vivienne (again, nothing confirmed other than her liking men), Alistair (can join if he's a Warden), Morrigan.

[Catilina]

Half of those are not in DAI.

The DA:I just a part of the Dragon Age. 

 

...

 

(What meaningful discussion again! I'm impressed!)

[jlb524]

I can't believe this went from 'the explicit bisexual characters are often shown as promiscuous' to 'But but but what about the straight people? They are always villains!'.

 

No wait, I can.

[raging_monkey]

I can't believe this went from 'the explicit bisexual characters are often shown as promiscuous' to 'But but but what about the straight people? They are always villains!'.

No wait, I can.

nother day in the bsn right

[Lulupab]

Oh come on, that's a stretch. LGBT people are a minority, so by matter of chance alone you are less likely to find an evil mastermind among them. Because evil masterminds are rare already, and to rise from an already rare group is just RARE.

 

And how many twin villains did we have?

[Illyria]

I can't believe this went from 'the explicit bisexual characters are often shown as promiscuous' to 'But but but what about the straight people? They are always villains!'.

 

No wait, I can.

 

WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE STRAIGHT PEOPLE D: