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[thats1evildude]

Just saying, there's an awful lot of heterosexual honkies on Team Elder One, and the opposing side is basically the cast of Rent.

And to be clear, I don't care. Of course the majority is straight, so naturally they'd make for the majority of villains.

[Jedi Comedian]

Half of those are not in DAI.

We have a party of 9 with 3 non-straight companions, they're not exactly saints (but not the kind of renegade I like):

- Dorian, a flamboyant Tevie who doesn't see slavery as bad (what a good person).

- Iron Bull, a twisted version of Jack Harkness (fucks everyone and into BDSM), even better than the first example.

- Sera, an elf that doesn't like her own kind and behaves like a teenager.

I wouldn' go anywhere near this "good people" if they existed.

However I like Cass and Solas. Very much.

[Illyria]

Just saying, there's an awful lot of heterosexual honkies on Team Elder One, and the opposing side is basically a Gay Pride Parade.

 

And I'm still waiting for the canon evidence that they're straight.

[Lulupab]

inb4 Corypheus was in the closet to keep his magister title when he was human. 

[Jedi Comedian]

Just saying, there's an awful lot of heterosexual honkies on Team Elder One, and the opposing side is basically a Gay Pride Parade.

And to be clear, I don't care. Of course the majority is straight, so naturally they'd make for r the majority of villains. It's not hurting us.

God, I literally cannot stand gay pride parades, so full of the stereotypes I hate.

I never recruit Dorian nor IB.

[thats1evildude]

Like I said: Alexius had a kid and was happily married to a woman, Calpernia loved Marius and only Marius, Corypheus was married to a woman and Carroll was a straight, deluded Templar. Some of this stuff is in Codexes, some of it's WoT Vol. 2 and some of it was in DAO.

[Lulupab]

Funny story, the "gay pride" companions are optional, all of them. You can simply not recruit them. Whereas the straight ones are forced.

[Jedi Comedian]

Like I said: Alexius had a kid and was happily married to a woman, Calpernia loved Marius and only Marius, Corypheus was married to a woman and Carroll was a straight, deluded Templar. Some of this stuff is in Codexes, some of it's WoT Vol. 2 and some of it was in DAO.

I have to agree DAI is PC, one of the reasons why is my least liked DA game. Heck I'd even say The Authority is very, VERY PC. I prefer other portrayals of gay people.

[Illyria]

Like I said: Alexius had a kid and was happily married to a woman, Calpernia loved Marius and only Marius, Corypheus was married to a woman and Carroll was a straight, deluded Templar. Some of this stuff is in Codexes, some of it's WoT Vol. 2 and some of it was in DAO.

 

And you're still not giving me proof.  Have anyone of these character said 'I am straight'?

[thats1evildude]

Boy, you're really insistent that people wear their sexuality on their sleeve, as opposed to letting their actions speak for them. Sure you don't want to help me lobby Bioware for the hand signals?

[Illyria]

Boy, you're really insistent that people wear their sexuality on their sleeve, as opposed to letting their actions speak for them. Sure you don't want to help me lobby Bioware for the hand signals?

 

I'm just saying: there's no proof that they're straight.

 

In fact, you're doing a pretty good job of proving what people have been saying about heterosexual being the assumed default.

[Jedi Comedian]

I'm pretty sure Cory has fucked male slaves. I imagine him pretty much a Danarius.

[thats1evildude]

I'm just saying: there's no proof that they're straight.

In fact, you're doing a pretty good job of proving what people have been saying about heterosexual being the assumed default.

Why is that a bad thing again? Given the correlation between evil and heterosexuality, I would think of it as a good survival strategy.

Can you name at least one person who won an Oscar, Emmy and Tony in the same year? If not, I dare not let you into my adventuring party.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Ah, just another day on BSN

[Jedi Comedian]

Ah, just another day on BSN

A day in the BSN is like a day in the farm!

[Catilina]

Why is that a bad thing again? Given the correlation between evil and heterosexuality, I would think of it as a good survival strategy.

Where the Hell is this "correlation", tell me, pretty please?! (Outside of your mind, of course)

 

(We are still incredibly high-minded debate witnessed. It's hard to follow ... my brain overload.)

[jlb524]

Like I said: Alexius had a kid and was happily married to a woman, Calpernia loved Marius and only Marius, Corypheus was married to a woman and Carroll was a straight, deluded Templar. Some of this stuff is in Codexes, some of it's WoT Vol. 2 and some of it was in DAO.

 

These examples you're giving...they aren't poorly depicted and one-dimensional 'evil' characters.  Calpernia is actually quite easy for most to empathize with and loads of people seem to like her, in spite of her being an antagonist to the Inquisitor.    Same can be said about Alexius.  I don't know much about Carroll, did he choose to become a red templar or not?  If he didn't choose it, he seems more of a victim than anything.

 

I'd be fine with villains/antagonists who weren't straight as long as they were also handled like Calpernia, for example.  I wish they'd have more.  The problem in the past with media is when they had the only LGBT characters be the 'evil' ones with no redeeming qualities (this goes way back as things have been getting better).  They were written so we weren't supposed to empathize with them at all.  You can't argue that's the case with most of DA:I's 'straight villains'.  Plus, there are still plenty of good straight characters to balance them out.

[Jedi Comedian]

Thats1evildude, play TW2 if you wanna cut some gay villain's balls, I know I enjoyed mutilating and slaying a walking stereotype.

[thats1evildude]

Obviously you weren't listening earlier, JC, because I made it very clear that I want as little to do with another man's balls as possible.

And maybe dial your bloodlust down a bit, JC. Getting a little too Jeffrey Dahmer in here.

These examples you're giving...they aren't poorly depicted and one-dimensional 'evil' characters. Calpernia is actually quite easy for most to empathize with and loads of people seem to like her, in spite of her being an antagonist to the Inquisitor. Same can be said about Alexius. I don't know much about Carroll, did he choose to become a red templar or not? If he didn't choose it, he seems more of a victim than anything.

Nonetheless, they serve the cause of eeeeeevil.

Sure, there were a few "token" straight characters on the side of the Inquisition. In a dark setting like Thedas, there just aren't enough virtuous (ie. Gay) characters to serve the forces of good, so they needed to fill out the ranks. And so they were forced to recruit some good but ultimately shady heterosexuals:

Blackwall, who was revealed to be a traitor
Varric, who helped unleash Corypheus on Thedas
Cullen, who once was second in command to Meredith
Cassandra, who evilly baited lesbians with her butch hairstyle

[Jedi Comedian]

Obviously you weren't listening earlier, JC, because I made it very clear that I want as little to do with another man's balls as possible.

And maybe dial your gay bloodlust down a bit. Getting a little too Jeffrey Dahmer in here.

Gay bloodlust??????? But I'm not gay, I'm fond of the ladies too. Heck I've never touched a guy TBPH. I think I'm only into same-sex LIs in videogames.

Just googled J. Dahmer, **** what DISGUSTING monster you have compared me to, I am pretty offended. Some straighties such as yourself are definetly evil.

Killing Dethmold was not killing an innocent person, he was a SADIST, a SEX SLAVER, ALLOWED RAPE and ORDERED MASS KILLINGS. HE is someone like Dahmer. HE DESERVED IT. That was ****** JUSTICE, NOT murder, NOT bloodlust.

One more name 2 my ignore list

[Hanako Ikezawa]

To be fair, thats1evildude does kind of have a point. I mean Patrick Weekes literally states that the reason Solas wasn't bisexual was because he didn't want to have it be a 'Depraved Bisexual' trope. Since he knew Solas would be a villain, he made him straight to avoid controversy.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I don't know much about Carroll, did he choose to become a red templar or not?  If he didn't choose it, he seems more of a victim than anything.

 

Carroll's story in WoT2 is actually really sad - he'd started suffering the effects of lyrium and some Qunari found him wandering in the wilderness alone. I imagine that with the Templars caught up in the war with the mages, nobody was keeping a close enough eye on those of their number who started losing their minds.

 

Presumably, the Red Templars or Venatori found him some time after he parted ways with the Qunari. Even if he took the red lyrium voluntarily, there's no way he was in a position to understand the choice. (He thought the head of the Qunari was Gregoir. And kept calling him 'Greggles' and trying to hug him.) I do find it interesting that the red lyrium seems to have restored his mind enough for him to be put in charge of a unit. Not that turning Templars who start suffering lyrium madness into Red Templars is a helpful sort of cure, but maybe if someone knew that it it would be a starting point for investigating things that WOULD help them.                                

[thats1evildude]

Yes. The whole thrust of my argument is that over-scrutinization of LGBT/minority characters leads to a situation like in DAI: everyone who's eeeeeevil is white and straight because you don't dare have a member of any other group portrayed as eeeeeeevil.

 

"Oh, woeful is the plight of the Thedas bisexual! To be portrayed as sexually adventurous about half the time!"

 

"Yeah, but WHOA! Did you see that guy? He just bit the head off that puppy!"

 

"Yes, but he's straight. It's what's expected of him."

[Jedi Comedian]

Yes. The whole thrust of my argument is that over-scrutinization of LGBT/minority characters leads to a situation like in DAI: everyone who's eeeeeevil is white and straight because you don't dare have a member of any other group portrayed as eeeeeeevil.

"Oh, woeful is the plight of the Thedas bisexual! To be portrayed as sexually adventurous about half the time!"

"Yeah, but WHOA! Did you see that guy? He just bit the head off that puppy!"

"Yes, but he's straight. It's what's expected of him."

With Gaider gone there's a higher chance we'll get a non-PC/less PC game next time around.

Hopefully with no sassy gays nor BDSM lovers. Ewwwwwwwwwww.

[Catilina]

Yes. The whole thrust of my argument is that over-scrutinization of LGBT/minority characters leads to a situation like in DAI: everyone who's eeeeeevil is white and straight because you don't dare have a member of any other group portrayed as eeeeeeevil.

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Wow, it's so wonderful! I can now rage that all evil is white! Why did not I think of that so far?!