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[German Soldier]

A new fresh character that make perfect sense to be in Tevinter.

Yes please instead to make Dragon age an echo chamber with the same reused characters.

[Andromelek]

A new fresh character that make perfect sense to be in Tevinter.
Yes please instead to make Dragon age an echo chamber with the same reused characters.

Alas I have the feeling that they'll manage to make a member of the overrated triunvirate travel to Tevinter.

[nightscrawl]

^ If that is referring to the trio of the Warden, Hawke, and the Inquisitor, 2/3 of those could be dead (or lost; we don't know for sure with Hawke), so it's doubtful they would appear in any great capacity.

 

If it's referring to any other follower or NPC we've had thus far, the Trespaser post-credit cinematic really seemed to suggest that they want to wipe the slate clean as far as cameos and such go. I really don't see anyone other than Dorian, Solas, and possibly Charter and/or Harding as Inquisition liaison, appearing in the next game.

[Jedi Comedian]

I vote for her being in DA4. The more new chars, the better.

[Iakus]

If Mae is in the game, I do not want a prominent role. Mae is too much like Dorian: Full of bombast and desire to change Tevinter. Regardless of whether or not that's the right thing to do, it's something we've already seen.

 

I'd much prefer a balanced approach, someone who sees what radical departure can do, the horrible downside no one wants to consider. 

Mae is also a sitting Magister and the center of a political reform movement.  Not someone you';d likely to see out adventuring long-term.

 

But as an advisor or quest-giver?  I could see her in that role.

[thats1evildude]

She went adventuring in the comics. Not really by choice, mind you ...

[Biotic Apostate]

It can also be argued that those other characters and romances helped pave the way for Dorian. The fandom was ready because of them. So, thanks, Anders, et al.! Without them, Dorian may have been the first and have gotten the same response as those others got.

I actually started writing that the previous characters helped to start the process (and then deleted it, because I couldn't wrangle the words into something coherent ). If not BW, someone else would have had to create such characters for Dorian to get such a normal reaction from fans. Still, the general attitude also had an impact. Hard to say how that scenario would have played out.

 

 

However... As much as I DO NOT view Dorian this way, there was one response earlier in this thread that made me think that Dorian was accepted by some folks simply because he looked, sounded, and acted in the way they expect gay men to act, including the acceptance aspect of his personal arc. In that sense, Dorian was the safe, predicable gay man, he didn't challenge their view of what it means to be a gay man, or of what a gay man looks, sounds, and acts like.

 

I am just now realizing this mode of thinking and I find it disturbing and unfortunate, not only because I like Dorian very much, but because it's so reductive as to eliminate any part of the character, whoever that may be, beyond their sexuality.

 

Of course, this is why we have the Gay KISA and Gay Badass [that one is MIA] threads.

I was also thinking about it. I'm wondering what the reaction to a MEA gay squad member will be. The series has a slightly different player base, so even a Dorian vas Ark would probably generate a different response than Dorian from Tevinter has. But what will happen, if the gay companion in MEA (if there happens to be one) is like, for example, Wrex. Or how will people react to a DA gay KISA. Is that acceptance really limited to characters that don't surprise players or are we past that? I guess we have to wait and see.

 

 

I know you didn't write this for this sort of response but... *HUG!*

Thank you 

 

 

There is also something to be said for meeting someone of whatever group, interacting with them, and seeing them as a person. It shouldn't be the case, but that does happen. I know it's a game, and Maevaris isn't real, but she may inspire some light bulb moments for some people. I think that's worth it, too.

Of course. It's easier to hate a concept and some random faces that don't mean anything, than it is to hate your gay coworker or your black roommate. Once you have a connection to a group on a personal level, extreme views tend to diminish.

[Andromelek]

^ If that is referring to the trio of the Warden, Hawke, and the Inquisitor, 2/3 of those could be dead (or lost; we don't know for sure with Hawke), so it's doubtful they would appear in any great capacity.

If it's referring to any other follower or NPC we've had thus far, the Trespaser post-credit cinematic really seemed to suggest that they want to wipe the slate clean as far as cameos and such go. I really don't see anyone other than Dorian, Solas, and possibly Charter and/or Harding as Inquisition liaison, appearing in the next game.

Huh? No, I was speaking of Leliana, Morrigan and Alistair....

She went adventuring in the comics. Not really by choice, mind you ...

As long as it is in Tevinter would be something normal... I mean, the Black Divine and Radonis can go out and kick some arses when they want.

[Akiza]

Alas I have the feeling that they'll manage to make a member of the overrated triunvirate travel to Tevinter.

Oh my god please no......

Arigena=Morrigan

Ariqun=Leliana

Arishock=Alistair

yes that line means i want them dead disgusting writers pets

[Akiza]

 

 

If it's referring to any other follower or NPC we've had thus far, the Trespaser post-credit cinematic really seemed to suggest that they want to wipe the slate clean as far as cameos and such go. I really don't see anyone other than Dorian, Solas, and possibly Charter and/or Harding as Inquisition liaison, appearing in the next game.

I hope you are right

[Dai Grepher]

^ Not going to address all the rest, but I have played a templar play. My remark about that was concerning a few things:
1 The player's world state when they import from the Keep and have sided with the mages. In that case, it doesn't matter what the player did, or how many times they played. In that world state, Calpernia is not known to Dorian.

Yes she is. Dorian travels with the Venatori for months. It is likely that he has heard of her. Remember, Dorian was not among Alexius' group.

2 The fact that most players only play the game once. Of those players, a chunk of them will have only seen the mage, OR the templar side of it. I would say the same thing if it were about Samson instead.

You don't need to play the game twice to see both paths, just reload to before the choice and play the alternate path. It would take a longer playthrough to learn about Calpernia more deeply, but the introduction is during Heart Burn, which is a logical part of the story to play twice since it has two versions.

3 There will also be those new players that have no association with her whatsoever, just as there will be those who have no association with Maevaris, and will have to be introduced to them in the proper manner.

That still puts Calpernia ahead of Tilani.

There are also current players of the games who have no interest in the ancillary materials, comics and novels, that will only know of Mae from the bits we get dropped in DAI, and nothing else; there is no suggestion in the game that she is trans.

Which means it might have to be explained in DA4. Which means spending time and resources explaining it. Which means possibly upsetting some people.

As far as those people know, she is a woman, and if they recall the references to her in DAI at all, that's likely how they'll remember her: a female Tevinter magister who is Dorian's friend, for whom you do some war table operations, and see by his side in the Trespasser epilogue.

Yeah, a relative nobody compared to Calpernia, who was one of Corypheus' generals at least, and a trusted champion at most. She could have fought to the point of risking her life in a leap off the falls in front of the Well, or she could have turned on Corypheus and left to reform Tevinter at the encouragement of the Inquisitor.

[Dai Grepher]

Cullen's romance was gated too, and that had no story explanation. Actually, you're providing a reason why they should do the romance. I don't think her marriage means she's only attracted to dwarves, but if that's the case, it will cost less - just one set of animations/scenes to be made.

But also more characters that would be excluded from the relationship. Also, Cullen's romance was a last minute addition, and his gate was wider than Solas'.

Appealing to as many as possible means having varied romances - straight, gay, trans. That way everyone has something to choose for themselves. You get maximum coverage across all LIs.

That's not the same thing. Providing more options isn't the same as allowing greater access to a specific romance. By closing off access you restrict it to a smaller audience.

Same reasoning was used with gay LIs - "they're a minority, no need to waste resources." And again, stop with that weak argument of who's allowed to play the romance. Role playing is a thing as I and others have pointed out, more than just bisexual males will access the romance.

But the issue is canon playthroughs. If you create a character, and you become invested in that character as your main, primary, or canon character, and then you meet Tilani and your character is restricted from starting a romance, then what? Sure you could start over with a new character, or wait until a secondary playthrough, but most people won't do that. So it's a waste.

Nah, you just said you "want an option to skip that content" and that trans romances are not worthwhile. And something about the ominous agenda, whatever that is.

Then quote me exactly, don't just make claims. I think you may have misunderstood. As I recall I merely made a point about what other people requested in another thread regarding trans content.

I'll repeat for the third time, maybe it will sink in this time - Hawke is an undefined character, Mae is not. Why don't you refer to Cassandra as "Pentaghast" all of the time?

Because Cass is my canon Inquisitor's romance. And it's easier to call her "Cass", or even "Cassandra".

In a paragraph addressing Dorian you say "Dorian, he, Dorian, him," in a paragraph concerning Mae you say "Tilani, Tilani, Tilani." It's obvious, what you're doing, so you can stop acting coy.

I don't know what you mean. If there is nothing wrong with using any character's last name to refer to them, then this should apply to Tilani's character as well. Shouldn't it?

I did Aerie's and Morrigan's romances (and never finished Zevran's), and that doesn't mean I'm "attracted to the female form," it means I wanted to experience that story. But someone seems to think most people will only ever touch romances that align with their orientations (but not genders, because that is ok to roleplay ).

Yes. Players will stick to romances that meet their morals.

You. Are. Refusing. To. Use. Pronouns. For. Mae.

So?

You are also refusing to refer to her by her first name. The language you're using makes it very clear - you don't think of Mae as being a woman. You've used Dorian's first name. You've used pronouns for him. It is obvious you're avoiding using them for Mae.

I don't understand what you have a problem with. Is "Tilani" not descriptive enough for you?

Hawke is the player character. While I always refer to her as she/her, a lot of other player use he/him. Some use they/them. Mae, however, is a woman. She is a lady. If she was an LI she could be romanced by lesbians, bisexuals or heterosexual men (ie: people who like ladies)

If it's okay for Hawke then it should be okay for any character.

[Sifr]

Yes. Players will stick to romances that meet their morals.

 

Please don't presume to speak for all players and tell them what romances they can enjoy or wish to play.

 

I'm a straight male, who's played and enjoyed same-sex romances of both genders. I've played FemShep/Liara, FemShep/Kaidan, Fem!Warden/Alistair, Fem!Hawke/Isabela, Fem!Lavellan/Solas, Fem!Adaar/Sera... so pray tell, what does your wisdom state is the reason I should no longer enjoy them because as a player I happen to exist outside the various boxes that these particular couples tick?

 

I don't understand what you have a problem with. Is "Tilani" not descriptive enough for you?

 

Her name is Mae. You know it perfectly well, so please use it and gendered pronouns for her.

 

Referring to her by surname suggests you do not consider her first name to be valid, because it happened to be picked by her as a trans individual, rather than the likely male name she was given at birth. Don't play coy and pretend it wasn't an intentional snub of omission.

 

(The only time not using gendered pronouns should apply is when discussing protagonists, such as Shepard, the Warden, Hawke or the Inquisitor since you're accounting for the fact they can be either male or female.)

[Illyria]

So?


I don't understand what you have a problem with. Is "Tilani" not descriptive enough for you?


If it's okay for Hawke then it should be okay for any character.

 

You know damn well why it's a problem.

 

I'll speak slowly, since you're clearly having difficulty here:

 

Hawke is not a woman.

 

Hawke is not a man.

 

Hawke is the player character.

 

Hawke is Hawke to a lot of players because Hawke's gender is undefined by canon.

 

Mae is woman.

 

Mae is canonically a woman.

 

By using non-gendered pronouns for Mae you're deliberatly misgendering her.

 

You're attempting to play the wounded party card to make yourself into the victim here.

 

No-one is fooled.

 

You are avoiding any pronouns.

 

You are avoiding her first name.

 

Tilani is a longer name and actually more difficult to spell than Mae.

 

You say it's easier to say 'Cass' or 'Cassandra' than 'Pentaghast'.

 

The same is true for Mae.

[Battlebloodmage]

Isn't Dai Grepher also the one who were against gay relationships a while back? 

[Illyria]

But the issue is canon playthroughs. If you create a character, and you become invested in that character as your main, primary, or canon character, and then you meet Tilani and your character is restricted from starting a romance, then what? Sure you could start over with a new character, or wait until a secondary playthrough, but most people won't do that. So it's a waste.

 

My first playthrough was a Tabris.  My second was Amell.  My third was a Surana and that's my canon.

 

So if Cass was a trans woman you'd reject her?

[Sifr]

Isn't Dai Grepher also the one who were against gay relationships a while back? 

 

Hopefully not, but the slights against Mae do not seem encouraging even if that's not the case.

 

My first playthrough was a Tabris.  My second was Amell.  My third was a Surana and that's my canon.

 

So if Cass was a trans woman you'd reject her?

 

Let's not summon back the "Cass looks like a man" bloke, it took forever to banish him to Tartarus.

[DuskWanderer]

The SJW's need to take a chill pill before the topic gets locked. 

[IllustriousT]

I really liked Mae and would love to see her in the next one, but I feel that a Magister running along side the PC through lands and dungeons may be a bit...silly. I already feel that Vivienne wouldn't really trudge through the swamps of the Fens - and it slightly bothered me. All other party members I could believe, even Dorian, who is excited by new adventures, despite his moaning and groaning about them. I think Mae, although, she seems more fun than Viv, wouldn't really go trudging through swamps, but as an adviser - or an important political figure that accompanies on specific missions, that would be really cool. 

[Battlebloodmage]

The SJW's need to take a chill pill before the topic gets locked. 

And maybe less snippy comments from the peanut gallery would help, too.

[Qun00]

I could certainly romance him with a gay male character. I'm not excessively self-inserting as a player.

[Catilina]

I could certainly romance him with a gay male character. I'm not excessively self-inserting as a player.

Why? Mae is a woman... why your gay male char could interest toward a woman? Ok, she is trans woman, but still woman... I can not believe that she was interested in a man who wants to see her as man. (Correct me if I'm wrong, I have not read the story) 

[Jedi Comedian]

Why? Mae is a woman... why your gay male char could interest toward a woman? Ok, she is trans woman, but still woman... I can not believe that she was interested in a man who wants to see her as man. (Correct me if I'm wrong, I have not read the story)

I'm pretty sure her dwarf husband is str8 as an arrow.

[Jedi Comedian]

I could certainly romance him with a gay male character. I'm not excessively self-inserting as a player.

Gay dudes are interested in MEN and MEN only. M-E-N. What are you talking about? I guess you mean your straight male character.

[Andraste_Reborn]

(The only time not using gendered pronouns should apply is when discussing protagonists, such as Shepard, the Warden, Hawke or the Inquisitor since you're accounting for the fact they can be either male or female.)

 

Or if we're talking about Lisme from Last Flight. The only canon non-binary DA character so far, AFAIK!

 

(Actually, Lisme presents as distinctly male sometimes and distinctly female other times, so maybe we should just alternate he and she? But since he's fictional and died during the Fourth Blight to boot we can't exactly ask her or check what he's wearing today so it might get confusing swapping back and forth. Gender neutrality might be the simplest option.)