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[o Ventus]

To be fair, Cap is a genetically modified super soldier who looks significantly more muscular than a lot of the other soldiers depicted in the MEU.

 

But yeah, people tend to mistakenly interpret that as a default when they see it often enough.

 

People forget that even though he actually is a military character, Captain America is by no means a regular human.

[Element Zero]

Male Shep was more muscular than the average military male and Fem Shep was a bit closer to an average female Marine, other than the arms. Both have been criticized as too thin occasionally over the years.

I think the reality is that Shepard was designed to look like a Hollywood movie star. For MaleShep, that meant very muscular. For FemShep, that meant an underwear model body.

In a way, this isn't surprising. Mass Effect was never created to model real life, though many of us frequently ask for "realism" (I know I sure do). It was modeled after all manner of classic SciFi, including Hollywood flicks.

A more realistic physique is definitely desirable, in my mind. It's not at the top of my list, though. I'm more worried about horribad hair. I think they've heard us on the skinny arms topic, and that we are not likely to see such a "Victoria's Secret model" for our female protagonist in MEA.

[Undead Han]

It is actually difficult for people in combat arms specialties in the military to maintain a very muscular physique, at least if by muscular we mean someone like Vega. Even in peacetime where long deployments aren't a factor, there are frequent field excercises. Some of those can be as long as 30 to 45 days, and those few weeks are spent eating MREs and not getting a full night's sleep every night. They're also physically demanding, so you burn a lot of calories. Good for losing weight maybe, but not for keeping it on.

The body builders usually lost weight because they were taking in less calories, had their workout routines disrupted, were operating on less sleep than usual, and were burning a lot of the calories they did take in.

It's not impossible, but not something that can be done on just a military physical fitness routine and the meals supplied by the chow hall or field rations. They also had to go to the gym on their own time when not in the field, purchase extra food that was high in protein, and take supplements. (Creatine was big when I was in)

I can remember getting back from a field op on a Friday night and my roommate at the time freaking out because he had lost 5 pounds of muscle mass. He was trying to convince me to go to the gym with him instead of going out to Waikiki and drowning ourselves in Mai Tais. I chose partying in Waikiki over spending my first night off in a month and a half lifting heavy things.

If someone wants to look like Vega they need to make sacrifices and put a lot of work into looking that way, and the military is no different. That's part of why it isn't typical.

The other is just that the job doesn't require excessive upper body strength. While it is physically demanding, endurance is more important than strength overall. Even jobs that require more heavy lifting than usual, like field artillery, can be performed by people who arent't hulked out. It doesn't take a power lifter to sling 90 to 120 lb artillery rounds.

[Andrew Lucas]

I've always wanted my femshep to look like this

Can't be Ronda busty, or some people will call it unrealistic and sexist.

[Majestic Jazz]

In the military, most women have bodies that are similar to women on the outside.

You dont have to have pure muscle definition to be a soldier, sailor, airman, or Marine.

[Wulfram]

I'd think Biotics would be kind of skinny, since they burn calories without building muscle.

[En Es Ef Dubyu]

In the military, most women have bodies that are similar to women on the outside.

You dont have to have pure muscle definition to be a soldier, sailor, airman, or Marine.

Same goes for the men!

 

But if they are going to hyper-muscularize the malePC then at least let my femPC have strong muscle definition (particularly in the arms) for a woman.

[o Ventus]

I'd think Biotics would be kind of skinny, since they burn calories without building muscle.

 

IIRC they also burn calories much faster than normal people, so they need to eat more than most people.

 

Not that eating more would make much of a difference when their metabolism burns through their calorie intake faster than everyone else.

[MrBSN2017]

It is actually difficult for people in combat arms specialties in the military to maintain a very muscular physique, at least if by muscular we mean someone like Vega. Even in peacetime where long deployments aren't a factor, there are frequent field excercises. Some of those can be as long as 30 to 45 days, and those few weeks are spent eating MREs and not getting a full night's sleep every night. They're also physically demanding, so you burn a lot of calories. Good for losing weight maybe, but not for keeping it on.

The body builders usually lost weight because they were taking in less calories, had their workout routines disrupted, were operating on less sleep than usual, and were burning a lot of the calories they did take in.

It's not impossible, but not something that can be done on just a military physical fitness routine and the meals supplied by the chow hall or field rations. They also had to go to the gym on their own time when not in the field, purchase extra food that was high in protein, and take supplements. (Creatine was big when I was in)

I can remember getting back from a field op on a Friday night and my roommate at the time freaking out because he had lost 5 pounds of muscle mass. He was trying to convince me to go to the gym with him instead of going out to Waikiki and drowning ourselves in Mai Tais. I chose partying in Waikiki over spending my first night off in a month and a half lifting heavy things.

If someone wants to look like Vega they need to make sacrifices and put a lot of work into looking that way, and the military is no different. That's part of why it isn't typical.

I'll give you that. Field ops and MREs can wreck some abs. I do miss those lemon poppy seed pound cakes though. Abs sometimes did come back nicer when training involved lots of movement, but LBM was down for sure.

Depends on the war. I lived in the city with the Iraqis and I still found time to lift. Have to get your priorities straight. Wtf else is there to do out there to keep you sane? Write letters back to your gf who's cheating on you? No thanks

[Majestic Jazz]

Same goes for the men!

But if they are going to hyper-muscularize the malePC then at least let my femPC have strong muscle definition (particularly in the arms) for a woman.

I wouldnt call male Shepard "hyper masculine".

James Vega was hyper masculine....male Shepard was not hyper masculine.

Hell, even the female soldiers that passed Ranger School were short and kind of thin.

You dont need muscles to be strong.

Besides, the title of this thread is REALISTIC bodies for the female lead and as I said, most women in the military does NOT have the body types that are displayed in this thread.

[Majestic Jazz]

You want realistic female body types? Here you go!

[En Es Ef Dubyu]

You want realistic female body types? Here you go!

Same for the men. Here's realistic male body types!

  

 

They don't all look like maleShep in ME3.

 

If the malePC is going to be more muscular than real soldiers today, then I want my femPC to be more muscular than the female soldiers today.

 

[Killroy]

Excuse me if I don't make much sense(I'm quite ill at the moment), but I think there's a real disconnect happening here. "Realistic" is getting mistaken for appropriate. What is a realistic body for a soldier in a modern military is not necessarily an appropriate body type for an action hero. If Scarlet Johanssen looked like your average female soldier she never would have been cast as Black Widow. If Chris Evans looked like your average male soldier he never would have been cast as Captain America. There's no legitimate reason to dry a line at above-average bodies for the heroes of video games while ignoring much sillier video game contrivances.

[Majestic Jazz]

Same for the men.
  
 
They don't all look like maleShep in ME3.
 
If the malePC is going to be more muscular than real soldiers today, then I want my femPC to be more muscular than the female soldiers today.
 

You still dont get it do you? This thread is about asking for a realistic female body type as they wanted a more muscular female hero. I pointed out how REAL female heros are not all that muscular.

Male Shepard in uniform is actually a middle ground between muscular and thin/regular the same way female shepard was in uniform.

[Majestic Jazz]

. What is a realistic body for a soldier in a modern military is not necessarily an appropriate body type for an action hero.

And why not?

[En Es Ef Dubyu]

You still dont get it do you? This thread is about asking for a realistic female body type as they wanted a more muscular female hero. I pointed out how REAL female heros are not all that muscular.

Male Shepard in uniform is actually a middle ground between muscular and thin/regular the same way female shepard was in uniform.

You still don't get it do you. The discussion about realistic (as I have argued) is all in the arms. FemShep has tooth pick arms. Just go back to the front page mkay. A realistic    female Special forces N7 soldier would have muscular arms ala Vaquez, which is not that muscular at all.

 

 

Don't show picks of ordinary female marines and say the futuristic female N7 special force elite is ordinary.

[Majestic Jazz]

You still don't get it do you. The discussion about realistic (as I have argued) is all in the arms. FemShep has tooth pick arms. Just go back to the front page mkay. A realistic    female Special forces N7 soldier would have muscular arms ala Vaquez, which is not that muscular at all.

So you use a fictional character "Vaquez" as the standard for what a female special operations soldier should look like? Is that the logic you are actually using?

[aoibhealfae]

Guys, the body mesh changes depending on the outfit and are used through the game by every character. There's a reason why Vega only have two outfit and the only one with his body type was Cerberus Guardian which uses his reskin armor and why he look thin wearing formal outfit in DLC. Why Kaidan really look muscular naked but 'toned down' when he wear his blue uniform. Why Joker look like he lifted weights. Why FemShep look super thin in stripper outfits (this body model was shared with Avina) and why every humanoid woman in the game look the same if they wear the same outfit.

 

Its the matter of resources. Mass Effect didn't dedicate much of it on diverse human body type because they don't think we care or notice and they use the resources on giving the appearance that there's a lot of alien species in ME but even they have little variation among themselves (they don't even considering making a female Turian until ME3 DLC. Batarian female only exist in the novel. Elcor female exist in Blasto 6 ads, Quarian male and female look the same with only different color scheme regardless their age and on and on). For humans, they've chosen the simpler way of designating outfits with slight varying build rather than making the outfit sculpt around the body like they did with SWTOR. But even that have its limit, and you would be crying out again that some outfit clips and look ugly and isn't 4k.

 

If you want at least to feel what's like to have Shepard with muscular body type. Play as FemTrooper using bodytype 3. Its FemShepard but in Star Wars universe who are referred to as her rank, rather than her name.

[En Es Ef Dubyu]

So you use a fictional character "Vaquez" as the standard for what a female special operations soldier should look like? Is that the logic you are actually using?

You goddamn right! Vasquez is a good balance of toned, muscular (not too muscular) arms, and a curvy, busty physique (still very feminine if you can get past the short hair and bandana). She is not overly muscled and not extremely slender.

 

This fictional game uses symbolism in names and how characters look. Top notch soldier with commanding presence, the best of the best above all the rest, should not look like an ordinary soldier.

 

 

Oh wait, I forgot who I am arguing with when it comes to females in games. We have to have something attractive to look at.

 

 

http://forum.bioware...ion/?p=19235315

 

 

And that is bad?

[Element Zero]

I'm going to leave this one alone, after making this one last comment, because I'm truly not too worried about this. It may seem otherwise, based upon my participation in the thread; but this isn't a huge worry for me. I just thing this is an interesting discussion.

Okay, last comment (maybe ):

Those guys above-- they're probably good dudes. They might be great marines (I'm trying to guess by the camo?). None of them look like they'd personally lead the galaxy against the Reapers, though, do they? Didn't BioWare make Shep look like a Hollywood action hero for a reason? Those normal looking guys wouldn't be impressive enough to be leading men, for most gamers.

I suspect if people got the realism they seem to be requesting, there would be a storm of complaints. Look what happened when we got some realism with DAI. It gave us some realistic, attractive women, and all I kept seeing for months was how "ugly" the female LI options were. Be sure you're ready for the thing you request.

[Killroy]

And why not?

Because this is the real world. If skinny little Robert Downey Jr had been cast as Captain America it would have been silly.

[Hadeedak]

You sure about that? I've known some extremely muscular people who lift weights because they enjoy it, and plan their routines to constantly challenge themselves - not with any particular appearance goals in mind.


I've never been terribly fond of this overall body shape. The model is very hippy, very bottom heavy, more pear-shaped than hourglass shaped. I'd like to see more balance between the shoulders and the hip area.

 

Her arms (and shoulders, yikes) wouldn't be quite so jarring if she didn't have such solid legs. If she was overall twiggy, I think the arms wouldn't strike me as discordant. But it's like she's got two separate builds. Of course, it's not helping because staring at something is the best way to spot things that annoy you. She's not so bad in game, except for a few seconds (don't fight Vega in the dress and its super skinny arms for SO many reasons). Looking at that, though... 

[En Es Ef Dubyu]

I'm going to leave this one alone, after making this one last comment, because I'm truly not too worried about this. It may seem otherwise, based upon my participation in the thread; but this isn't a huge worry for me. I just thing this is an interesting discussion.

Okay, last comment (maybe ):

Those guys above-- they're probably good dudes. They might be great marines (I'm trying to guess by the camo?). None of them look like they'd personally lead the galaxy against the Reapers, though, do they? Didn't BioWare make Shep look like a Hollywood action hero for a reason? Those normal looking guys wouldn't be impressive enough to be leading men, for most gamers.

I suspect if people got the realism they seem to be requesting, there would be a storm of complaints. Look what happened when we got some realism with DAI. It gave us some realistic, attractive women, and all I kept seeing for months was how "ugly" the female LI options were. Be sure you're ready for the thing you request.

Yep. Those very people who argued about yucky realism in regards to DAI LI are now all femPC must be realistic. In this case, muscle arms on femPC not sexy.

[En Es Ef Dubyu]

Her arms (and shoulders, yikes) wouldn't be quite so jarring if she didn't have such solid legs. If she was overall twiggy, I think the arms wouldn't strike me as discordant. But it's like she's got two separate builds. Of course, it's not helping because staring at something is the best way to spot things that annoy you. She's not so bad in game, except for a few seconds (don't fight Vega in the dress and its super skinny arms for SO many reasons). Looking at that, though... 

That fight with Vega and her skinny arms lol. It should have ended like this:

 

[AresKeith]

Imo, Becky Lynch from the WWE has one of the best body types to use