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[agonis]

@Puddi: with his great hair and posture, Muten Roshi could be a Bioware protagonist. *g*

[N7 Vindicator]

It is a still image from this leaked gameplay video found here:

 

http://forum.bioware...omeda-gameplay/

Wow can't believe I haven't see that yet. Thanks for the link

 

@N7 Vindicator: I would rather play a skinny protagonist than the next generic muscular hero. But it´s like with everything: please some, others will complain.

I also don't like playing as someone who looks too built. By bulkier, I didn't mean James-Vega-like bulky. I only meant that the PC should look a bit more like she is in the military.

[Majestic Jazz]

You goddamn right! Vasquez is a good balance of toned, muscular (not too muscular) arms, and a curvy, busty physique (still very feminine if you can get past the short hair and bandana). She is not overly muscled and not extremely slender.
 
This fictional game uses symbolism in names and how characters look. Top notch soldier with commanding presence, the best of the best above all the rest, should not look like an ordinary soldier.
 
 
Oh wait, I forgot who I am arguing with when it comes to females in games. We have to have something attractive to look at.
 
 
http://forum.bioware...ion/?p=19235315
 

 
And that is bad?

Obviously you have never served in thr military.

Many of the Commanders who have a commanding pressence and are the best of thr best do not look like comic book super heros. This notion that you need to be tall and muscular to be brave, hero, or in charge is a figment of what the media portrays.

Like President Obama said about when he met with Seal Team 6. He said that many of these guys could be mistaken for your average guy. He said that if you saw them on the street, you would never think that they are some military dude that is in an elite and clandestine organization.

I guess you also believe that black men cant be lead characters because the general audience cant picture a black man saving the universe. Or a black super hero woman saving the galaxy because white men would not find her attractive unless she has man European features.

What you people are suggesting in this thread is explaining exactly what is wrong with the industry today both videogame and movie.

[Majestic Jazz]

No one is claiming that a general average is synonymous with realistic for members of the military, though. The average for soldiers is not the same as the average for the general populace.
 
Neither, however, is it the same as the average for body builders.

Again, you must not have served in the military because you are still going off of the "Hollywood" definition of what a male soldier looks like.

Like I said, in the US Army at least, most male infantry soldiers and Special Ops guys DO NOT look like thr hollywood definition of a soldiers. Yes, some do, but those are not the majority. Most male soldiers in Combat Arms branches looks like normale men. They are fit yes, but they are not muscular like what you are suggesting.

[Seraphim24]

You goddamn right! Vasquez is a good balance of toned, muscular (not too muscular) arms, and a curvy, busty physique (still very feminine if you can get past the short hair and bandana). She is not overly muscled and not extremely slender.

 

This fictional game uses symbolism in names and how characters look. Top notch soldier with commanding presence, the best of the best above all the rest, should not look like an ordinary soldier.

 

 

Oh wait, I forgot who I am arguing with when it comes to females in games. We have to have something attractive to look at.

 

 

http://forum.bioware...ion/?p=19235315

 

 

And that is bad?

 

Whoa something cool on this forums! Nice!

 

Anyway yeah those girls don't look super marine crazy over the top or the othe rway which is pretty cool.

[Seraphim24]

Obviously you have never served in thr military.

Many of the Commanders who have a commanding pressence and are the best of thr best do not look like comic book super heros. This notion that you need to be tall and muscular to be brave, hero, or in charge is a figment of what the media portrays.

Like President Obama said about when he met with Seal Team 6. He said that many of these guys could be mistaken for your average guy. He said that if you saw them on the street, you would never think that they are some military dude that is in an elite and clandestine organization.

I guess you also believe that black men cant be lead characters because the general audience cant picture a black man saving the universe. Or a black super hero woman saving the galaxy because white men would not find her attractive unless she has man European features.

What you people are suggesting in this thread is explaining exactly what is wrong with the industry today both videogame and movie.

 

Wow! Way to throw an excess of completely unsaid bullcrap into that person's post.

[Han Shot First]

Again, you must not have served in the military because you are still going off of the "Hollywood" definition of what a male soldier looks like.
Like I said, in the US Army at least, most male infantry soldiers and Special Ops guys DO NOT look like thr hollywood definition of a soldiers. Yes, some do, but those are not the majority. Most male soldiers in Combat Arms branches looks like normale men. They are fit yes, but they are not muscular like what you are suggesting.

I did, and what she said isn't incorrect. I also think you've misread that post.

[MrBSN2017]

Obviously you have never served in thr military.

Many of the Commanders who have a commanding pressence and are the best of thr best do not look like comic book super heros. This notion that you need to be tall and muscular to be brave, hero, or in charge is a figment of what the media portrays.

Like President Obama said about when he met with Seal Team 6. He said that many of these guys could be mistaken for your average guy. He said that if you saw them on the street, you would never think that they are some military dude that is in an elite and clandestine organization.

I guess you also believe that black men cant be lead characters because the general audience cant picture a black man saving the universe. Or a black super hero woman saving the galaxy because white men would not find her attractive unless she has man European features.

What you people are suggesting in this thread is explaining exactly what is wrong with the industry today both videogame and movie.

I looked very fit while in and knew many others that were as well. I don't see why we shouldn't take the best and throw that in a video game before "average".

Whoa pump the breaks, let's not turn this into a race thing when it was clearly never brought up. If someone has an opinion on things that differs from your own, it doesn't make it alright to try and pull the race card to make your claims seem more credible. It just makes you look ignorant anyways.

What you people in this thread are advocating for is a fat non aesthetically pleasing protagonist because you don't put the effort in to be a PT stud. This reminds me of the supermodel bashing because teens girls want to look like them. Sorry Jessica, if you don't have the genetics or willingness to put the amount time and effort into achieving it then stop blaming others for your shortcomings. Just because Jessica is insecure, it doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to appreciate the beauty of the model.

It takes effort to look physically fit, and is definitely realistic as I posted a picture of me in Iraq and definitely larger than male shep. As for femshep, we did get one female Marine that was very in shape and with fake breasts, dyed red hair. Definitely in better shape and better looking than femshep, it is out there so to say it's not realistic is bashing on us fitties. Raise the bar

[Ruadh]

We also need some true Scotsmen, amirite?

[von uber]

I'm not sure how muscular a cyborg needs to be. Thats how I've always rationalised beating up a yahg anyway, that and maybe power assisted armour.

[Catastrophy]

We also need some true Scotsmen, amirite?

Sexist! It's True Scotswoman!

[9TailsFox]

I'm not sure how muscular a cyborg needs to be. Thats how I've always rationalised beating up a yahg anyway, that and maybe power assisted armour.

Heavy Muscle Weave (Microfiber Weave)
Cost: 15,000 Palladium
ME2 research - Shep melee damage
Shepard does +25% Melee damage.
Perforating the muscles with micro-fibers increases overall strength and decreases the potential for muscle damage from exertion.

 

I take 4.

[Grieving Natashina]

I find the term "realistic" to be extremely subjective in regards to any kind of fantasy. However, I think the word that is missing is "proportionate." The arms on the FemShep seemed out of proportion to the rest of the body. They seemed too slender.

As far as body proportions go (general build,) I've met ripped former Green Berets to lean and mean former Navy Seals. I live close to a military base. Body shape/size has never dedicated any sort of outward indication of former service, at least not to me. I'd just like my video game character's arms to be more in proportion to the rest of her body.

[PhroXenGold]

I find the term "realistic" to be extremely subjective in regards to any kind of fantasy. However, I think the word that is missing is "proportionate." The arms on the FemShep seemed out of proportion to the rest of the body. They seemed too slender.

 

Yeah, that was really the issue. The arms didn't fit the rest of her, and just ended up looking weird.

 

While I certainly wouldn't object to a build like Vasquez or some of the other images posted in this thread for the female protagonist (in fact I think it'd be pretty cool for BW to have a pretty heavily muscled woman as it's not something you often see - even when such characters appear in games/films, they're very rarely the lead), I'd be happy with a body like FemShep but adjusted to have arms that matched the rest of her.

[Statichands]

You don't have to have mad body mass just to be strong. Just look at Bruce Lee

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[Beerfish]

The good news is you get beefy arms this game, the bad news is you get Bethany Couslands hands.

[Lady Artifice]

 

Like I said, in the US Army at least, most male infantry soldiers and Special Ops guys DO NOT look like thr hollywood definition of a soldiers. Yes, some do, but those are not the majority. Most male soldiers in Combat Arms branches looks like normale men. They are fit yes, but they are not muscular 

 

 

The bolded has been, almost word for word, my point throughout my entire interaction with this topic. 

 

My initial comment in this thread:

 

Spoiler

 

There's frequently a problem of reality is unrealistic when it comes to people's expectations of the appearance of a military protagonist. 

 

Several of my older family members had served in the military before they passed, and I work in the kind of business where we offer military perks and discounts. I have met a lot of people in the army and air force, and most of them are not as sculpted and bulky as people on the internet seem to consider "realistic." In fact, most of the military women I've met are pretty slender, clearly athletic, but not obviously muscular. 

 

Maybe it's different for the marines, of whom I haven't met as many, but my experience is that weight lifters or body builders--80's action movie stars--tend to skew the expectation of what military characters should look like, at least in the U.S. These are people who, while they're definitely strong, are commonly more motivated by making themselves look a particular way than any practical application.

 

Anyway, Vasquez muscles would be too much for me (I'm with those who would prefer a toned Emily Blunt in Edge of tomorrow look), but I'm not opposed to that body type being an option. The ideal case would be body sliders, but that can be prohibitive when it comes to cut scenes, and cinematic content is higher priority for me than most CC variations.

 

 

 

Again, you must not have served in the military because you are still going off of the "Hollywood" definition of what a male soldier looks like.

 

 

I am very much not. I'm going off my experience interacting with members of the military. 

 

 

 

 

like what you are suggesting.

 

 

The aren't words to express emphatically enough how much I was suggesting the opposite of that. Even in the post you quoted I was arguing against soldiers typically looking like body builders. 

[straykat]

Most special ops guys I see are the picture of it. 

 

Although if by Hollywood you mean "face", then no. But who cares.

[Grieving Natashina]

Since this is a setting with cybernetic enhancements, I don't honestly care exactly how the female PC is built. I don't want her looking like Kate Moss (super thin) or anything like that. I wouldn't mind someone bulkier or more muscular than FemShep was. Maybe some more curves and a more distinct booty too. In the end, I don't consider it a huge deal. I just kept getting thrown off by the noodle arms. They were toned, but they didn't seem to fit in size with the rest of the body.

Edit: Since this was brought up earlier in the thread, ToR has a great female animation for their PCs. There is a little bit of hip sway and it looks just about perfect. I wish the ME (and DA team) would take another look at that.

The elven males in DA:I did have that same problem. Not to mention the arms would outright contort due to a bug with a couple of different types of armor. I'm not sure if it's fixed.

[Monk]

The only thing i can think to add is to remember that being fit doesn't necessarily mean having vivid muscle tone. It's wholly dependent on diets and the activities invested in. This is why i posted the Sarah Michelle Gellar pic. She's fit and doesn't have spindly arms but also doesn't have a lot of tone.

 

 

I can't remember how to do spoilers …

 

{spoiler}{/spoiler}, with square brackets ('[ ]')

[aoibhealfae]

I'm more concerned with noodle fingers. But I've given up anticipating anatomical correctness ever since the second game showing a reconstruction of a male body when you're playing as femshep and how every husks somehow got their penis fall off

[SNascimento]

Assuming a body mass slider isn't happening, I'd prefer it if they went with a subtler "toned" physique that would correct a few oddities of FemShep's build.

Like, say:

Spoiler

Really, this is it. 

Just put an N7 armor here:



And you're done. 

[Pasquale1234]

I wouldnt call male Shepard "hyper masculine".

The poster to whom you were responding did not say "hyper masculine", but hyper-muscular. Muscular =/= masculine.
 

You dont need muscles to be strong.

Well, yeah, you do. You can't flick a booger without muscles. You don't need hypertrophied (bulky) muscles to move your body around, though.

================================================

On another note:

People can and do build strength without hypertrophy. The first thing that happens in any sort of strength training is that your body learns to recruit more of the muscle fibers you already have. Depending on genetics (and hormones), some bodies build strength by making existing muscle fibers more dense, while others hypertrophy and add more bulk. You can become stronger and gain actual muscle tissue without becoming bulkier.

When we reach adulthood, HGH (human growth hormone) starts to recede. For most people, that happens in the late teens to early twenties. At that point, you're as strong as you're ever going to be without further strength training. Once that HGH recedes, we shift to a "use it or lose it" state. At that point, people who do not use the strength (and muscles) they have will become progressively weaker throughout their lives, perhaps ending up in a "Help! I've fallen and I can't get up!" commercial one day. The loss of that muscle tissue also means that their bodies are burning fewer calories.

The good news is that that loss of strength can be reversed at any age with some strength training. Strength training builds not only muscle fibers, but also contributes to bone density, which can help to avoid the fractures and osteoporosis that plague many older people.

So, yeah, I'm a proponent of strength training for everyone, particularly those with sedentary lifestyles who rarely do any physical labor.

On topic: I'd prefer the female model to be more hourglass than pear shaped, and have some visible muscle definition.

[Majestic Jazz]

I looked very fit while in and knew many others that were as well. I don't see why we shouldn't take the best and throw that in a video game before "average".

Whoa pump the breaks, let's not turn this into a race thing when it was clearly never brought up. If someone has an opinion on things that differs from your own, it doesn't make it alright to try and pull the race card to make your claims seem more credible. It just makes you look ignorant anyways.

What you people in this thread are advocating for is a fat non aesthetically pleasing protagonist because you don't put the effort in to be a PT stud. This reminds me of the supermodel bashing because teens girls want to look like them. Sorry Jessica, if you don't have the genetics or willingness to put the amount time and effort into achieving it then stop blaming others for your shortcomings. Just because Jessica is insecure, it doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to appreciate the beauty of the model.

It takes effort to look physically fit, and is definitely realistic as I posted a picture of me in Iraq and definitely larger than male shep. As for femshep, we did get one female Marine that was very in shape and with fake breasts, dyed red hair. Definitely in better shape and better looking than femshep, it is out there so to say it's not realistic is bashing on us fitties. Raise the bar

I am just stating facts, if you feel as if I am playing the race card, then thats your problem.

People say that we need a certain "image" that fits the Hollywood mold or else the mainstream audience will not accept it.

Well, how is that different from videogame makers or movie directors saying that we need to "white wash" the characters or else the mainstream audience will not accept it?

Same concept.

Hell, Ridley Scott even mentioned how he used white people to play ancient Egyptians (the ones that were in lead roles) because he said that if he didnt, the movie would not get any financial backing .

Same concept.

And as for the military, people are still wrong about it. Interacting with people in the military is not the same as actually being in the military and being immersed into it day to day. Come here to Fort Bragg, NC and walk around the 82nd ABN Division and survey how many guys have bodies that look like Male Shepard or some male Hollywood action star. Also goto the 3rd Group area and survey how many Green Berets have Hollywood male action hero bodies.

Like I said, many do have bodies like male Shepard or even Vega for that matter, but they are not representative of the entire fighting force.

Again, come here to Fort Bragg and you will see many "normal" looking dudes with Ranger Tabs, Expert Infantryman Tabs, CIBs, Pathfinder patch, Drill Sergeant patch etc and they look NOTHING like what you would see in some movie or videogame.

[GeneralXIV]

I dont like girls who have big muscles and abs... its just... off putting I guess... and women with big boobs are kind of the same... having large ones is ok but having huge ones is just... not attractive to me... I cant help but feel sorry for their poor backs haha... I guess my ideal woman character would probably be average build with small to medium sized boobs... just someone normal I guess... not too muscular... not fat... just... healthy? x