Point of order. The Eluvians can be directed to the Fade instead of their respective place in the Crossroads. Flemeth did it to Morrigan's mirror.
Aside from my severe doubt that any demon could redirect it while bound, Audacity wasn't even in the Fade, it was bound into a statue in the physical world.
So, only aiding and abetting Marethari in doing so? Regardless of legal niceties, it makes Hawke a colossal dick.
Marethari is the local authority, is she not? Hawke received permission from her to decide what to do with the arulin'holm.
That's like saying that a mayor can legally rape you to death. Merely being a "local authority" does not place you outside the law.
All information she recieved from a demon. Well My Hawke wasn't manipulated by Torpor despite not having Dalish training. Merrill who did have Dalish training was manipulated. What does that say?
Incorrect. Even Gaider pointed out that Merrill received the information from the lore she studied and the shard she cleansed. She learned blood magic from Audacity because she lacked the necessary amount of lyrium to cleanse the shard of the taint (whch makes sense since the Chantry controls the lyrium trade and the Dalish are technically criminals by Chantry law due to their religion).
Perhaps she knows about the Eluvians, as much as it was old magic and that it was dangerous, or at least this one was. I trust her years of experience over what Merrill learned from the school of demon lies.
Merrill studied the lore on the Eluvians, so I trust her over someone who didn't seem to do any research into the Eluvians at all.
Whilst most of my Hawkes tended to refuse to go with Merrill outright, so the problem never arises, they do in fact earn themselves the right to decide what to do with the knife. Merrill invokes an ancient rite of the Dalish that Marethari cannot refuse, so she decides to set a task that Merrill cannot complete on her own. If Merrill had in fact succeeded in the task without the aid of Hawke and friends, then she would be quite right if Marethari gave the knife to Hawke and then Hawke refused to give it to her. However, this was not the case; the quest was completed by all members of the party and thus all have earned the right to the knife. If Merrill did not want this to be the case, then she should not have accepted the challenge. If this was going against Dalish tradition in involving outsiders, then Merrill should not have accepted the challenge. Having done so, she also accepted the collective right to the knife. Marethari hands it over to Hawke, as leader of the group, with the request that Hawke does not give the knife to Merrill. Hawke decides to comply with the request. The only criticism of Hawke is that it should have been put to a vote of the group; if they decided by a majority to overrule Hawke, then Merrill should have been given the knife. The last bit is pretty academic since I doubt any of the other companions would have been in favour of Merrill being given the knife.
We have the benefit of hindsight about the eluvian. Hawke did not. Nor did Hawke know much about the Dalish, so they have to weigh up the advice of the Keeper, who is ultimately responsible for the welfare of the clan and that of Merrill who has been banished for refusing the abide by her decision. All Hawke knows is that the eluvian was responsible for the death of clan members, which may or may not have been due to the corruption; Merrill seems to have a dangerous obsession with it, which involves a demon and has led her to use blood magic, both inherently risky and the other Dalish do not support her endeavours. I think my Hawkes might have been more sympathetic if the eluvian was stored out somewhere remote but instead it is located in Kirkwall, so if anything goes wrong as a result of mending it, many innocent people will get harmed and Hawke will be in deep trouble with the authorities. This last argument is why I invariably just refuse to help in the first place and why all but one of my Hawkes ended up on the rivalry path with Merrill. The one who didn't gave her the knife.
Incorrect. Even Gaider pointed out that Merrill received the information from the lore she studied and the shard she cleansed. She learned blood magic from Audacity because she lacked the necessary amount of lyrium to cleanse the shard of the taint (whch makes sense since the Chantry controls the lyrium trade and the Dalish are technically criminals by Chantry law due to their religion).
Merrill studied the lore on the Eluvians, so I trust her over someone who didn't seem to do any research into the Eluvians at all.
But did she know Imshael could create a keystone? Imshael created a Keystone that would lead whoever wielded it through a series of Eluvians that would end in a central chamber connected to all of the Eluvians in Thedas. From there, whomever holds the Keystone could reactivate the Eluvians and reset the spoken password needed to travel through them. Say an eluvian is reactivated, then what's to stop Imshael from having access to the Crossroads and all of the Eluvians from awakening. Afterwhich he could cause a massive demon invasion.
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Are you serious? Judaism is a religion, dude! When the Christians were being thrown to the lions by the Romans, they could have denounced Christ. But they didn't. And the Jews didn't denounced god either. Man, public education sucks...Oh, that is such unbelievable bullshit. If this was true, any Jew could have escaped the Holocaust by converting.
Marethari is the local authority, is she not? Hawke received permission from her to decide what to do with the arulin'holm.
Merrill already invoked vir sulevanan and fulfilled her end of the agreement.
Whilst most of my Hawkes tended to refuse to go with Merrill outright, so the problem never arises, they do in fact earn themselves the right to decide what to do with the knife. Merrill invokes an ancient rite of the Dalish that Marethari cannot refuse, so she decides to set a task that Merrill cannot complete on her own. If Merrill had in fact succeeded in the task without the aid of Hawke and friends, then she would be quite right if Marethari gave the knife to Hawke and then Hawke refused to give it to her. However, this was not the case; the quest was completed by all members of the party and thus all have earned the right to the knife. If Merrill did not want this to be the case, then she should not have accepted the challenge. If this was going against Dalish tradition in involving outsiders, then Merrill should not have accepted the challenge. Having done so, she also accepted the collective right to the knife. Marethari hands it over to Hawke, as leader of the group, with the request that Hawke does not give the knife to Merrill. Hawke decides to comply with the request. The only criticism of Hawke is that it should have been put to a vote of the group; if they decided by a majority to overrule Hawke, then Merrill should have been given the knife. The last bit is pretty academic since I doubt any of the other companions would have been in favour of Merrill being given the knife.
Wrongo. The law is strictly Dalish-to-Dalish. Humans could never actually be eligible. Also, Isabela, Varric, and probably Aveline would have been in favor.
We have the benefit of hindsight about the eluvian. Hawke did not. Nor did Hawke know much about the Dalish, so they have to weigh up the advice of the Keeper, who is ultimately responsible for the welfare of the clan and that of Merrill who has been banished for refusing the abide by her decision. All Hawke knows is that the eluvian was responsible for the death of clan members, which may or may not have been due to the corruption; Merrill seems to have a dangerous obsession with it, which involves a demon and has led her to use blood magic, both inherently risky and the other Dalish do not support her endeavours. I think my Hawkes might have been more sympathetic if the eluvian was stored out somewhere remote but instead it is located in Kirkwall, so if anything goes wrong as a result of mending it, many innocent people will get harmed and Hawke will be in deep trouble with the authorities. This last argument is why I invariably just refuse to help in the first place and why all but one of my Hawkes ended up on the rivalry path with Merrill. The one who didn't gave her the knife.
Paranoia, paternalism, dick. Consistent.
Are you serious? Judaism is a religion, dude! When the Christians were being thrown to the lions by the Romans, they could have denounced Christ. But they didn't. And the Jews didn't denounced god either. Man, public education sucks...
Aside from the fact that Judaism is an ethno-religious amalgam with its own racial traits, historically speaking, many Jews converted in times of strife for them. For an example, read this. Also, I'm not a dude, bro.
Merrill manages to physically recreate an entire working Eluvian from a single tainted shard, which she managed to cleanse from the taint by herself. She only couldn't get it to activate once it was complete because she didn't have the magical password. That's like building an entire car from scrap parts, and only not being able to start it because you're missing the key. She clearly showes that she knows more about Eluvians than Hawke and Marethari combined.
Marethari herself showed complete ignorance of the Eluvian when she said it killed Tamlen and Mahariel, when both Duncan and Merrill said it wasn't the mirror but the darkspawn taint that killed them. Merrill herself cleansed the shard of the taint, and made a mirror that was clean and safe to touch.
Marethari herself also let Audacity out of its prison and let it possess her, which shows that she is responsible for letting it get out while Merrill isn't. Merrill made a deal with Audacity when she first met it same as Marethari, only Merrill's first deal with Audacity left it right where she found it nearly a decade later, whereas Marethari's first meeting with Audacity ended with it getting loose and possessing someone. Who's the bigger idiot where Audacity is concerned?
What's more, when Merrill intended to go talk to Audacity a second time, she brought someone along to kill her in case something went wrong. What did Marethari do? She went alone, didn't tell anyone where she was going, and let it possess her without a backup plan. Who's the bigger idiot where Audacity's concerned? Not the one who didn't let it loose, not the one who didn't let it possess her, and not who took precautions in case she might get possessed.
But did she know Imshael could create a keystone? Imshael created a Keystone that would lead whoever wielded it through a series of Eluvians that would end in a central chamber connected to all of the Eluvians in Thedas. From there, whomever holds the Keystone could reactivate the Eluvians and reset the spoken password needed to travel through them. Say an eluvian is reactivated, then what's to stop Imshael from having access to the Crossroads and all of the Eluvians from awakening. Afterwhich he could cause a massive demon invasion.
You're conflating two entirely different stories (the one with Merrill in Kirkwall and Briala in the Dales, respectively). Audacity is an ancient spirit trapped in a totem in the physical world, and that spirit isn't Imshael. Your argument makes no sense.
You're conflating two entirely different stories (the one with Merrill in Kirkwall and Briala in the Dales, respectively). Audacity is an ancient spirit trapped in a totem in the physical world, and that spirit isn't Imshael. Your argument makes no sense.
And you think Audacity is helping Merrill out of the kindness of its heart? If Merrill knows all about the Eluvians, why does she keep consulting with Audacity about how to fix it? You must know that a demon's help never comes with out a price. We've already seen Merrill sell Hawke out to Torpor, so either she was going to do something drastic like let herself be possessed, or sell out one of her friends. I don't trust Merrill to make a good decision.
And you think Audacity is helping Merrill out of the kindness of its heart? If Merrill knows all about the Eluvians, why does she keep consulting with Audacity about how to fix it. You must know that a demon's help never comes with out a price.
Considering that Marethari set Audacity free (based on information that likely came from Audacity), I think the spirit got what it wanted all along.
Considering that Marethari set Audacity free (based on information that likely came from Audacity), I think the spirit got what it wanted all along.
Nothing says elven glory like sacrificing your mother figure to a demon. Either way, I doubt Merrill's obsession is worth it.
And you think Audacity is helping Merrill out of the kindness of its heart? If Merrill knows all about the Eluvians, why does she keep consulting with Audacity about how to fix it. You must know that a demon's help never comes with out a price.
She consulted with Audacity only twice.
The first time was to learn blood magic so she could cleanse the shard of the darkspawn taint, which she did successfully, and which didn't result in Audacity getting free.
The second time she went to talk to Audacity was to ask it for the password to activate the completed Eluvian. She said she didn't intend to let it out of its prison, but she brought Hawke along as a precaution just in case it outsmarted her and managed to get free or possess her anyway. She also asked Hawke to kill her if it managed to possess her. In that case, she showed utmost caution and willing to take precautions against something out of her control happening.
Merrill's interaction with Audacity is not the same as the other clan's interactions with Imshael. Different situations, different precautions (or lack thereof), different outcomes.
Nothing says elven glory like sacrificing your mother figure to a demon. Either way, I doubt Merrill's obsession is worth it.
You might want to keep in mind that Marethari set Audacity free, not Merrill. I also view it as much of an 'obsession' as Hawke wanting to go into the darkspawn infested Deep Roads for treasure, except Merrill's goal sounds a lot less ludicrous in comparison and wanting to end the plight of the elves is much more noble than simply wanting to get rich.
Mea culpa, dudette. Like I said, judaism is a religion. You can't convert your race. Re li gee yon.Aside from the fact that Judaism is an ethno-religious amalgam with its own racial traits, historically speaking, many Jews converted in times of strife for them. For an example, read this. Also, I'm not a dude, bro.
Nothing would have, because the Eluvian doesn't link to the Fade. .
Neither you nor Hawke knows that.
And Audacity didn't do dick; Marethari released Audacity and pulled it into herself. Then Audacity tried to kill Merrill and Hawke, yes, but couldn't have without Marethari.
And Audacity was planning to do exactly the same thing to Merrill. She fell for one pride demon's lies already.
And "the last two elves who messed with it" were screwed by darkspawn taint, which Merrill already accounted for.
Unless the eluvian opened someplace seriously blighted by the taint. LIke Tamlen did
No, it was Merrill's property as soon as she'd killed the varterral. Marethari stole and redirected it
Take it up with Marethari.
You might want to keep in mind that Marethari set Audacity free, not Merrill. I also view it as much of an 'obsession' as Hawke wanting to go into the darkspawn infested Deep Roads for treasure, except Merrill's goal sounds a lot less ludicrous in comparison and wanting to end the plight of the elves is much more noble than simply wanting to get rich.
Getting a teleportation device isn't somehow going to resurrect Arlathan or the Dales. All you get is a teleportation device at best, a demon invasion and Merrill's love ones killed at worst. Sounds like Merrill was getting the short end of the bargain.
Neither you nor Hawke knows that.
I would never contest how little Hawke knows about elven subjects.
Getting a teleportation device isn't somehow going to resurrect Arlathan or the Dales. All you get is a teleportation device at best, a demon invasion and Merrill's love ones killed at worst. Sounds like Merrill was getting the short end of the bargain.
I don't a recall a "demon invasion" when Briala used the Eluvians to help the Orlesian elves.
You might want to keep in mind that Marethari set Audacity free, not Merrill. I also view it as much of an 'obsession' as Hawke wanting to go into the darkspawn infested Deep Roads for treasure, except Merrill's goal sounds a lot less ludicrous in comparison and wanting to end the plight of the elves is much more noble than simply wanting to get rich.
Hawke didn't want to "get rich". It was about getting his/her family out of the slums.
So Hawke wanted to get rich and give his family a mansion.
And after being initially turned away by Bartrand, Bethany points out that they still are just refugees and therefore vulnerable.
Their situation isn't remotely comparable to the people living in the Alienage or Darktown.
Incorrect. Merrill used blood magic to cleanse the shard of the taint. She was building the Eluvian from lore she studied and information she extrapolated from the shard.
Like blood magic?
Considering that Merrill isn't a ghoul throughout Dragon Age II or Inquisition while the elves who came into contact with the shards of the corrupted Eluvian in the Elven Ruins became ghouls, I don't see how you can claim the shard still had the taint.
Again, here the mirror leads may be tainted
Audacity possessed Marethari because she set the spirit free from the totem, so I don't see how it makes sense to say that this proves that the spirit could have escaped through the restored Eluvian.
See my previous response. It was plotting to get Merrill to free it. Through the eluvian or not
I don't a recall a "demon invasion" when Briala used the Eluvians to help the Orlesian elves.
All the lives destroyed by freeing Imshael would beg to differ.
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