Yes, Leandra and Hawke want to become rich and get a mansion in Hightown. I don't think anyone is contesting that. I also don't think we can compare Lowtown to areas like the Alienage or Darktown. Let's not pretend that the only option for the Hawkes was to become rich and reacquire their family mansion.
I needed a birthday cake but couldn't afford it. Then my friends surprised me with one from Carlos' Bakery.
I immediately told them to return it, because it was better than what I was expecting.
Because, clearly, the only logical course of action is for Hawke to enter the darkspawn infested Deep Roads for a rumored treasure in order to become wealthy and get a luxurious mansion, as opposed to Carver's advice to leave Kirkwall and go out into the country (as Ghost already pointed out, which you continually chose to ignore). Again, let's not pretend that this was the only course of action that Hawke could take.
How could the Sentinel Elves continue Uthenera after the Veil was erected? Was it because of the Well of Sorrows.
We don't know how or why some of the immortal Elves managed to remain immortal after the Veil was erected.
If Leandra reclaiming her ancestral home involved blood magic and demons, I think my Hawke would have been equally vociferous in objecting.
It involved the Deep Roads and darkspawn, and possibly turning into a ghoul due to contracting the taint.
To be honest, I never really understood why Merrill found the Eluvian so worth all the hassle and danger it took to restore it. She claims it will save her people, but she never really explains what benefits it would provide.
We already know from TME how the Eluvians could have been used. Gaspard comments on how the Eluvians could have been used to expand the Orlesian Empire (so their useful is evident even to someone who isn't elven), and Briala uses them to benefit the Orlesian elves in their struggle to great rights and freedoms they've never known.
Plus it's not like Hawke's opinion on Merril's elven history quest is completely unsupported. He may be an outsider but if he doesn't approve of her actions he has the same opinion as a Dalish Keeper.
Except Hawke is human and is even more uninformed than Marethari about said culture.
When Marethari admits she doesn't know anything about the Eluvians while Merrill has studied the available lore on them? I'd say yes.
Can someone explain to me how this notion of Marethari knowing less about the Eluvians than Merrill came to be? If the keeper is the one in charge of all the lore, how does Merrill have information that Marethari isn't privy to?
Can someone explain to me how this notion of Marethari knowing less about the Eluvians than Merrill came to be?
Marethari's dialogue in Origins, when she says she knows nothing about the Eluvians, and her dialogue in Dragon Age II, when she says she hasn't studied them and thinks any knowledge about them should stay buried. Merrill, in contrast, studied the lore on the Eluvians in order to build her Eluvian.
If the keeper is the one in charge of all the lore, how does Merrill have information that Marethari isn't privy to?
Merrill studied the lore. Marethari's dialogue indicates that she hasn't done so herself. Her reasons for opposing Merrill also flip-flop between Acts II and III.
Marethari says she has never heard of such a thing when Maharial first encounters it in Origins. I don't know if that's supposed to be the case anymore after all the retcones in DA 2, but I guess that's probably where the line of thinking comes from.
Can someone explain to me how this notion of Marethari knowing less about the Eluvians than Merrill came to be? If the keeper is the one in charge of all the lore, how does Merrill have information that Marethari isn't privy to?
I don't think we have any evidence that Merrill knows more. Any study material she had would have presumably been available to Marethari, and it is more likely that in general Marethari taught Merrill what she knew.
I don't think we have any evidence that Merrill knows more. Any study material she had would have presumably been available to Marethari, and it is more likely that in general Marethari taught Merrill what she knew.
Except for the fact that Gaider also pointed out that Merrill's construction of the Eluvian came from the research she did into the lore of the Eluvians.
Merrill built an eluvian from scratch so I'd say she knows more about them than most people alive.
I always thought Merrill taught herself about them in the years after leaving her clan. It's possible she found herself in possession of some books that were in the Kirkwall Circle...some of her friends are thieves after all.
Marethari's dialogue in Origins, when she says she knows nothing about the Eluvians, and her dialogue in Dragon Age II, when she says she hasn't studied them and thinks any knowledge about them should stay buried. Merrill, in contrast, studied the lore on the Eluvians in order to build her Eluvian.
Merrill studied the lore. Marethari's dialogue indicates that she hasn't done so. Her reasons for opposing Merrill also flip-flop between Acts II and III.
Where did she get this 'lore' from? Why wouldn't Marethari also have access to it as Keeper?
Because, clearly, the only logical course of action is for Hawke to enter the darkspawn infested Deep Roads for a rumored treasure in order to become wealthy and get a luxurious mansion, as opposed to Carver's advice to leave Kirkwall and go out into the country (as Ghost already pointed out, which you continually chose to ignore). Again, let's not pretend that this was the only course of action that Hawke could take.
If I have a problem and different options to solve this, I should turn down the one that clearly is the best because it is too good.
There is nothing rational about that.
Merrill built an eluvian from scratch so I'd say she knows more about them than most people alive.
I thought she built a non functioning Eluvian. If it casted a reflection, I'd say she built a mirror at best.
Where did she get this 'lore' from? Why wouldn't Marethari also have access to it as Keeper?
If Merrill is studying it in order to build her Eluvian, and Marethari explicitly says she thinks any knowledge about the Eluvians should stay buried, then I don't see why this is even a question.
How could the Sentinel Elves continue Uthenera after the Veil was erected? Was it because of the Well of Sorrows.
I thought she built a non functioning Eluvian. If it casted a reflection, I'd say she built a mirror at best.
We see Merrill's Eluvian (or, at least, it's counterpart) in the Crossroads, so I don't see how she simply built a mirror.
If Merrill is studying it in order to build her Eluvian, and Marethari explicitly says she thinks any knowledge about the Eluvians should stay buried, then I don't see why this is even a question.
I guess my real question is how she came across this information in the first place and how she was able to build an eluvian from scratch with the little to no resources available to her within her clan and in Kirkwall's alienage. But there are no real answers to that besides 'go with it.'
I guess my real question is how she came across this information in the first place and how she was able to build an eluvian from scratch with the little to no resources available to her within her clan and in Kirkwall's alienage. But there are no real answers to that besides 'go with it.'
The Dalish do have elven artifacts, relics, and tomes, so Merrill probably went through those to locate information about the Eluvian.
The Dalish do have elven artifacts, relics, and tomes, so Merrill probably went through those to locate information about the Eluvian.
Which Marethari would also have had access to. If Marethari is shown to not know anything about the Eluvians, but Merrill does, then what- Marethari is choosing to stay ignorant regarding them?
I'll be playing DA2 again soon. Merrill's story arc has always been strange to me. I'm still trying to piece it all out.
If Merrill is studying it in order to build her Eluvian, and Marethari explicitly says she thinks any knowledge about the Eluvians should stay buried, then I don't see why this is even a question.
Which Marethari would also have had access to. If Marethari is shown to not know anything about the Eluvians, but Merrill does, then what- Marethari is choosing to stay ignorant regarding them?
I'll be playing DA2 again soon. Merrill's story arc has always been strange to me. I'm still trying to piece it all out.
Presumably, since Marethari talks about how the knowledge should stay buried.
Can someone explain to me how this notion of Marethari knowing less about the Eluvians than Merrill came to be? If the keeper is the one in charge of all the lore, how does Merrill have information that Marethari isn't privy to?
Because Merrill actually bothered to do research where Marethari didn't.
When Tamlen and Mahariel first found the Eluvian in DAO, every Dalish's reaction (Tamlen's, Mahariel's, Merrill's, even Marethari's) was "What's that mirror?"
However, Marethari went, "We don't know what it is, but since it apparently caused the deaths of two clan members it's obviously dangerous and therefore we shouldn't look into it further." However, Merrill's reaction (both in DAO and DA2) is, "We should look into it. It could be useful." Between DAO and DA2, Merrill looked into it and learned a great deal about what it was, what its uses were, and how to repair and restore it.
Exploring dialogue in DA2 reveals that Merrill pretty much single-handedly researched everything she could about the mirror, approached Marethari when her research was basically done, and basically said, "I looked into it, and I know what this is and how to repair it. It was the taint in the mirror that killed Tamlen and Mahariel, not the mirror itself. I also know how to cleanse the taint. If you help me cleanse the shard of the taint, we can get to work repairing the mirror together." But Marethari refused to listen to her, simply going back on the same broken record of, "It's dangerous! That mirror caused the death of our clan mates! We shouldn't mess with it! It was forgotten for a reason," etc, so Merrill took matters into her own hands. And again, she only asked the spirit to teach her blood magic so she could use it to fuel the magic needed to cleanse the shard of the taint, and from then on she used the shard to reconstruct a new Eluvian through regular magic and good old elbow grease.
Just because Marethari is the Keeper doesn't mean she knows more about the Eluvian than Merrill. Marethari's willful ignorance about the mirror compared to Merrill's willingness to research and rebuild it shows that being Keeper doesn't automatically make one inherently more knowledgeable about something than someone willing to learn.
It may not have been immortality so much as stasis. Or it's possible that their life force was intertwined with the Well. So long as it persisted, so did they.We don't know how or why some of the immortal Elves managed to remain immortal after the Veil was erected.
Pretty sure that was showing him utilizing his Dreamer powers, as he performs that same ritual the final time when he goes into the Fade to meet SolasBriala points out that Felassan doesn't sleep the same way other elves do. He does this little ritual with magic and herbs.
Whatever may be the case, it clearly doesn't depend on a Fade immersed world.
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