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[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

The image doesn't belong to me it was made by an artist from tumblr.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

I hope they'll be elves as PoC (again the images doesn't belong to me)

[Gervaise]

I'm not sure about "May Ghilan'nain guide your path" but perhaps that is more appropriate if you are just taking a journey rather than trying to track someone down.

[veeia]

I hope they'll be elves as PoC (again the images doesn't belong to me)
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Were there many PoC elves in Inquisition, outside of possibly your creator character? The only one I can think of offhand is Cillian.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Were there many PoC elves in Inquisition, outside of possibly your creator character? The only one I can think of offhand is Cillian.

None. And I think all elves should be colored from different backgrounds.

[veeia]

Well there was Cillian, but he's only really seen in Multiplayer (although I think he's one of the MP characters you can see loitering around Skyhold sometimes?) so that only really counts as evidence that the Dragon Age world continues to support elves with darker skin (as some people have argued against), rather than a meaningful example of it in the game.

 

Cillian is also from the same clan as Neria (the Ralaferin clan), who is not dark. So there is support in the game lore/characters for a mixture of skin colors within Dalish clans. I suppose we will see how they do going forward.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Well there was Cillian, but he's only really seen in Multiplayer (although I think he's one of the MP characters you can see loitering around Skyhold sometimes?) so that only really counts as evidence that the Dragon Age world continues to support elves with darker skin (as some people have argued against), rather than a meaningful example of it in the game.

Cillian is also from the same clan as Neria (the Ralaferin clan), who is not dark. So there is support in the game lore/characters for a mixture of skin colors within Dalish clans. I suppose we will see how they do going forward.

But why didn't they create the elves to be PoC in the first place? I think that if they do that and they shown how they are treated and they are a person of color the game will not sell one copy, and the elves represent the homogenized PoC who were oppressed by discrimination all over the world and history of slavery and extermination proves it. I think they don't want to really do it because they don't want to rock the boat by showing how it reflects the issues of the real world and people denying it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Were there many PoC elves in Inquisition, outside of possibly your creator character? The only one I can think of offhand is Cillian.

There were quite a few EoC(Elves of Color) as background characters too. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well there was Cillian, but he's only really seen in Multiplayer (although I think he's one of the MP characters you can see loitering around Skyhold sometimes?) so that only really counts as evidence that the Dragon Age world continues to support elves with darker skin (as some people have argued against), rather than a meaningful example of it in the game.

 

Cillian is also from the same clan as Neria (the Ralaferin clan), who is not dark. So there is support in the game lore/characters for a mixture of skin colors within Dalish clans. I suppose we will see how they do going forward.

Makes sense there would be a variety of ethnicity in Dalish clans, since they trade members and adopt elves who want to join and prove worthy. 

 

With the next game in Tevinter which is closer to the equator, I wouldn't be surprised to see more elves with dark skin tones. 

[veeia]

But why didn't they create the elves to be PoC in the first place? I think that if they do that and they shown how they are treated and they are a person of color the game will not sell one copy, and the elves represent the homogenized PoC who were oppressed by discrimination all over the world and history of slavery and extermination proves it. I think they don't want to really do it because they don't want to rock the boat by showing how it reflects the issues of the real world and people denying it.

 

Drawing 1:1 analogues in fantasy is always problematic imo. You're free to create an EoC (lmao, thanks Hanako, I'll just use that) and I agree that there should be more NPCs like that if it's going to be a supported option, but I don't think it would be a good idea to just make the elves black or brown or whatever. I think its fantastic if there are people who read the elven struggle as a minority struggle and find that to be a positive experience for them, but forcing it would certainly make other people unhappy, and bring up a whole host of issues.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Drawing 1:1 analogues in fantasy is always problematic imo. You're free to create an EoC (lmao, thanks Hanako, I'll just use that) and I agree that there should be more NPCs like that if it's going to be a supported option, but I don't think it would be a good idea to just make the elves black or brown or whatever. I think its fantastic if there are people who read the elven struggle as a minority struggle and find that to be a positive experience for them, but forcing it would certainly make other people unhappy, and bring up a whole host of issues.

And why is that exactly? I believe that they don't want to admit that the fact is it was PoC who have a bloody history and the aftermath of it is because of these issues that destroy people's culture, religion, and unity among families and communities. That is the worst kind of cultural genocide that creates disparities and oppression of people of color. Same way with the elves who lost everything because of humans who were killing, raping, and dehumanize them over their ears.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Stop this right now, N7Phantom. This conversation is exactly the one that led to the previous Arlathvhen thread being closed. 

[veeia]

Stop this right now, N7Phantom. This conversation is exactly the one that led to the previous Arlathvhen thread being closed. 

 

I wasn't here for that, but I'll drop the conversation if it's going to put the thread at risk. It's just a hypothetical anyway, the canon is what it is!

[Shechinah]

Makes sense there would be a variety of ethnicity in Dalish clans, since they trade members and adopt elves who want to join and prove worthy. 

 

With the next game in Tevinter which is closer to the equator, I wouldn't be surprised to see more elves with dark skin tones. 

 

Clans are also nomadic and while some clans fare in specific territories that differ in size, others might wander further and intermingle more with clans closer to the equator.

 

I found it interesting that the Dalish Warden's parents were not allowed to be together by their respective clans. 

 

I consider it to make sense if and rather hoped that it was because the clans differed from each other greatly including in culture since I do believe we know that to be a thing. 

 

I used this when I was developing my Dalish Warden: I headcanoned that her darker skin came from her mother's side of the family and that her sword were her mother's. I think I also liked the idea of her Reaver specialisation being connected to her mother's side of the family suggesting a darker aspect to them. This was because the specialisation was unlocked from the beginning and the first she took.

 

I think it would only be logical that the clans would differ from each other to different degrees and in different ways since the clans' culture and attitude would likely be influenced and shaped by individual events and the nature of the territory where the clan live and wander.

 

One example would be a clan that live with a lower risk of templar scrutiny and so might foster as well as train more than three mages in the clan.

 

A second example would be that a clan that has a higher infant mortality rate might encourage marrying younger and emphasis more children than a clan with a lower infant mortality rate might.      
 

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Stop this right now, N7Phantom. This conversation is exactly the one that led to the previous Arlathvhen thread being closed.

I'm not lying. But it was other people who are reactive of my beliefs that causes it and I'm just passionate of my beliefs. I'm just having a productive debate about these discussions and sorry for making people uncomfortable but oh well it is what it is.

[Shechinah]

I'm not lying. But it was other people who are reactive of my beliefs that causes it and I'm just passionate of my beliefs. I'm just having a productive debate about these discussions and sorry for making people uncomfortable but oh well it is what it is.

 

In response to the bolded, I shall use the words of Abridged!Cooler; "Not dignifying that."

 

To continue with the point of Hanako Ikezawa, I shall say this and add emphasis; it's against the forum rules to discuss or involve that particularly topic so end of discussion.  
 

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

In the words of Abridged!Cooler; "Not dignifying that."
 
It's against the forum rules to discuss or involve that particularly topic so end of discussion.

OK here's what I don't understand: Why do they create a game that is based on those issues of the real world and expected not to talk about it but they'll make a video game about it? It doesn't make any sense.

[Shechinah]

OK here's what I don't understand: Why do they create a game that is based on those issues of the real world and expected not to talk about it but they'll make a video game about it? It doesn't make any sense.

 

As far as I know, it is because it becomes not about the situation(s) in the fictional universe but about the situation(s) in the non-fictional universe. This is why non-fictional religions and non-fictional political matters are also seldom topics that are allowed to be discussed or involved in a discussion.

 

Basically, the inclusion of certain topics often prevents the discussion from being about the issues in the video games and instead becomes about issues in the real world.

 

To boil it further down: It is so people can discuss what they came here for and what the forums are intended to be about: the video games and their related material.
 

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

As far as I know, it is because it becomes not about the situation(s) in the fictional universe but about the situation(s) in the non-fictional universe. This is why non-fictional religions and non-fictional political matters are also not topics that are seldom allowed to be discussed or involved in a discussion.
 
Basically, the inclusion of certain topics often prevents the discussion from being about the issues in the video game and instead becomes about issues in the real world.
 
To boil it further down: It is so people can discuss what they came here for and what the forums are intended to be about: the video games and related material.

I believe you can make a topic of anything that relates to the game that represents them, it all depends on how you construct it but people are reactive and it's a shame that there is no free thinking about this so people ridicule, and insult you for bringing issues that people who don't want to talk about it. Or simply you have your own opinions about it and it seems to me that people expect other people to be Ike & Mike.

[The Ascendant]

I am a teensy bit curious why Elves starting breeding with Humans. It's one thing to make contact with a new race of people, but quite another to start bumping uglies. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Speaking of PoC, the Elven Inquisitor should be a PoC because as a nomadic species that's constantly on the move around the forests, with no skin whitener cream, they would at the very least look tanned.

 

I am curious, how did your Elven Inquisitors react to the revelations in Temple of Mythal and in Trespasser ?

 

Mine just went:- "You know what ? Damn the Ancient Elves. Damn them, they have screwed us over long enough. It is time us modern "Tranquil" "Shemlen" Elves work together, move forward, adapt and live our lives on our own terms instead of glorifying the Evanuris and our inglorious past. We will reclaim the Vallaslin as a badge of pride, we will start making alliances with City Elves, we will be diplomatic with the other races and we will survive and endure, because we are Elves."

 

So yeah, they got pissed off and betrayed by the whole thing.

[Shechinah]

I am a teensy bit curious why Elves starting breeding with Humans. It's one thing to make contact with a new race of people, but quite another to start bumping uglies. 

 

I think it would depend on the people interesting in doing the bumping of the uglies.

 

To give an idea; it could be down to something as simple as forming an emotional connection and it could be something as simple as sexual fascination.

 

Depending on what lense ancient elves viewed humans with and what lense the ancient humans viewed elves with, there might have been a barrier of dehumanization or superstitions to overcome to reach the bump-bump of the ug-ug.    
 

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

The Elven Inquisitor should be a PoC because as a nomadic species that's constantly on the move around the forests, with no skin whitener cream, they would at the very least look tanned.

I just believe they should be elves with diverse backgrounds and they represent the indigenous peoples of tribes like the Hopi Tribes, The Aboriginals who invented the Mystic Dreamtime, The Native Americans, The Hawaiian Tribes, and The Dogon Tribe from Mali. Because they believe in a community of being part with nature and respect the Mother Earth and the people and the Keeper of the Dalish Clan is a shaman that guides the tribe to spirituality and keepers of history.

Modifié par N7Phantom, 06 juin 2016 - 10:39 .

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I think it would depend on the people interesting in doing the bumping of the uglies.

 

To give an idea; it could be down to something as simple as forming an emotional connection and it could be something as simple as sexual fascination.

 

Depending on what lense ancient elves viewed humans with and what lense the ancient humans viewed elves with, there might have been a barrier of dehumanization or superstitions to overcome to reach the bump-bump of the ug-ug.    
 

 

Well, Human males are more muscular and have more hair that Elven Males. That exotic tough brute factor could have attracted Elven Female. The Human Males would have reciprocated because Elven Female are far more neotenous and more attractive compared to Human Females since Elves are seen as pretty by Humans.

 

On the other hand, Human Females are also more ample than their Elven Female counterparts, just look at the body models. Furthermore, Elven Males are supposed to have a lean athletic physiques that Human Females might find appealing and Elves are seen as pretty by Humans so its no very difficult to put two and two together.

[Shechinah]

Well, Human males are more muscular and have more hair that Elven Males. That exotic tough brute factor could have attracted Elven Female. The Human Males would have reciprocated because Elven Female are far more neotenous and more attractive compared to Human Females since Elves are seen as pretty by Humans.

 

On the other hand, Human Females are also more ample than their Elven Female counterparts, just look at the body models. Furthermore, Elven Males are supposed to have a lean athletic physiques that Human Females might find appealing and Elves are seen as pretty by Humans so its no very difficult to put two and two together.

 

Basically it boils down to the good ol' thing of it being awesome to have options.