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#26
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You realise that if you remove Garrus from the game it has no down side at all and actually makes more sense in the long run don't you?

The ending to ME3 could have actually had more resources thrown at it if they hadn't spent so much time on Garrus. Citadel could have had extended scenes and the suicide mission could even have been improved.


Waste of resources.

Weddings

Funerals

Kids

Pets

Garrus

Waste of resources.

Whatever

Garrus is mostly considered the greatest character of the trilogy

I've killed Garrus while playing the suicide mission once,and had to finish ME3 without him.That was one of the worst ME3 playthroughs I've ever had...

So yes,Garrus is a very important character to the trilogy,and trust me,nothing is the same without him.



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A drinking game based around me could be, problematic.

*Swirls Ryncol*

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Echechem



*Blows harmonica*



Garrus the Turian racist.

Took a rocket to his face.

And if you ever saw him.

He'd insult you and your race.

Sometimes he'd sit with Ashley.

And call the other races names.

And if they tried to talk back.

He'd put a bullet through their brains.

Then one foggy Christmas eve.

Hitler came to sayyyy.

Garrus with your racist pride.

Help me com-mit gen-o-cide.

Then all the Nazis loved him.

And they shouted out with glee.

(Yippee)

Garrus the Turian racist.

You'll ride on the Nor-man-dyyyyyy.


*Sips Ryncol*

Wow...yeah...huh.

 

I think...I'm just gonna go sit down...and think...



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Whatever
Garrus is mostly considered the greatest character of the trilogy
I've killed Garrus while playing the suicide mission once,and had to finish ME3 without him.That was one of the worst ME3 playthroughs I've ever had...
So yes,Garrus is a very important character to the trilogy,and trust me,nothing is the same without him.


Its all the same. You don't need him to find the conduit.

You don't need him in me2. In fact without him on omega blood pack blue suns and eclipse are significantly stronger. Which has implications for every side and even some loyalty missions. (So me2 could be improved by removing him.)

And in ME3 he does nothing. Serves no purpose at all.

Two spectres, the ships ai, the shadow broker, a Quarian admiral, a pilot, a shuttle pilot, an alliance soldier, a Prothean, a doctor, a chief engineer, a tech specialist.



And Garrus the only Turian Reaper "expert" in the galaxy. Who leaves Palaven to join a ship full of actual reaper experts. While his entire family is in danger of being annihilated on his Homeworld.

It doesn't even make sense!
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Wow...yeah...huh.

I think...I'm just gonna go sit down...and think...


Just consider what I've said, ok. :)

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Give him a gay lisp, and give fashion advices. Female Ryder needs a gay bestie.

Fraking disgusting. Ewwwwwwwww

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I want some1 like DA2 Varric.
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Personally, I didn't feel Garrus was forced on me. I mean you could 

Spoiler
 

 

Problem is, then you are left with one less companion. I don't particularly care for Garrus but I still prefer him to empty space. 



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I consider a best friend as someone I talk to most and bring with every mission


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Whatever

Garrus is mostly considered the greatest character of the trilogy

I've killed Garrus while playing the suicide mission once,and had to finish ME3 without him.That was one of the worst ME3 playthroughs I've ever had...

So yes,Garrus is a very important character to the trilogy,and trust me,nothing is the same without him.

Really? I don't care about Garrus. He's dead in the majority of my ME3 playthroughs. He adds nothing to ME3. And yes. There is Shepard without Vakarian

 

I like to have the choice who I want to have as a best friend, if I want a best friend, or someone to hang with and not have the game decide for me

 

 

I consider a best friend as someone I talk to most and bring with every mission

A best friend can be a crewmember who never leaves the ship.



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Garrus and Liara are both sort of forced upon the player. The difference, I guess, was that I actually do really like Garrus by the time ME3 rolls around.

The Liara Agenda in ME3 was so heavy-handed that it turned me off of her character nearly completely. Her melodrama on Lessus and meltdown on Thessia didn't help, either. Ugh.

If they write a BF into the story, as they did with Garrus, and it ends up matching your own preference, it feels great and natural. It's pretty damn annoying, though, to have a character foisted upon you when you don't feel that attachment naturally. It's probably best they either figure out how to vary dialogue based upon how strong your bond is with a character, or just avoid this BFF crap altogether.

Side anecdote: During my last trilogy run, there was a minor glitch involving Liara. After she stormed out of Javik's room, having finished her post-Thessia temper tantrum, she reappeared, frozen like a statue behind Javik's curtains. I only caught a brief glimpse of her, which made it even funnier. Creepy ass blue stalker! I have never seen that glitch before, or since.
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Its all the same. You don't need him to find the conduit.

You don't need him in me2. In fact without him on omega blood pack blue suns and eclipse are significantly stronger. Which has implications for every side and even some loyalty missions. (So me2 could be improved by removing him.)

And in ME3 he does nothing. Serves no purpose at all.

Two spectres, the ships ai, the shadow broker, a Quarian admiral, a pilot, a shuttle pilot, an alliance soldier, a Prothean, a doctor, a chief engineer, a tech specialist.



And Garrus the only Turian Reaper "expert" in the galaxy. Who leaves Palaven to join a ship full of actual reaper experts. While his entire family is in danger of being annihilated on his Homeworld.

It doesn't even make sense!

"Krogan-turian animosity is ancient and intense- it's in-born" - Garrus V



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Kinda wish Garrus being a friend is a situational occurrence than a default, like being able to being cold and dismissive to ME3 Liara. Repetitively reminding her that work is piling up, coldly ask if she's able to do her duties after Thessia and refusing her 'gift'.

 

One of the best bit in ME1 was doing the Saleon mission without him, Shepard said Garrus would just have to suck it up. Later he'll ask about why Shepard didn't bring him along and Shepard sneered with "Why? Because I took your kill?" which shuts him up. Surprisingly he took this as a paragon action. It reminds me of best conversation I had with SWTOR's Garrus (Aric Jorgan) when he whined about how he deserved to be an XO and I choose an Imperial defector instead and Major FemShep simply stare at him and reminded him repetitively between her teeth to call her with respect. This is what was missing with Garrus in ME2 and ME3. Much of his character development span around him assuming responsibility which he normally trying to escape and his ME3 self suddenly assume a veneer of authority among his people (despite being a wanted vigilante with several powerful friends), but he spend most of the game being concerned about Shepard and brooding in his bat 'cave'. Even Lieutenant Victus learn from Shepard effectively in just two missions which took three games for Garrus to learn. 

 

ME3 could have been worked better with Garrus inclusion into the main story. Have him shadow Victus during the summit, offering support to Wrex or sarcasm to Wreav . Linron trying to convince Garrus that genophage cure is a wrong approach and have him at the Shroud trying to murder Mordin/Padok Wiks. Then have him interact with Victus Jr personally rather than being a silent observer and info-dumping about what a turian should be later. Small things that made him more involved in the game than just an optional best buddies. Even a hint of him saying he'll make a better Spectre or a better military commander than Shepard or any competitiveness outside the lame sniper contest. He shouldn't be happy as Shepard's turian pet, have more agency for yourself dammit. 



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A lot of people on the BSN don't take Garrus anywhere, (which makes me sad,) but it creates the problem that not everyone has that attachment to the Bioware forced best friend. 

 

I love Garrus, but I'd rather not have a best friend forced upon me, I'd rather figure out who my best friend is on my own. :)

 

There are always attraction to similar archtypes, though it doesn't mean you'll get along. Personally, i choose those with the wittiest remarks, and while Garrus is funny, Jack and Kasumi often stole the show for me. It's really hard not to laugh when Kasumi shouts "Present for you" as she tosses a grenade. And since i was inclined to use the Renegade mid-scene options, Jack would almost always have something to say.

 

 

Hamster is best friend.

 

The eyes, he knows well.

 

 

Its all the same. You don't need him to find the conduit.

You don't need him in me2. …

 

Oh, but it was fun dragging him along throughout Omega, even through the quarantined part. Heheh.

 

 

Fraking disgusting. Ewwwwwwwww

 

sweet coffee. Someone needs a body rubber!


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Echechem



*Blows harmonica*



Garrus the Turian racist.

Took a rocket to his face.

And if you ever saw him.

He'd insult you and your race.

Sometimes he'd sit with Ashley.

And call the other races names.

And if they tried to talk back.

He'd put a bullet through their brains.

Then one foggy Christmas eve.

Hitler came to sayyyy.

Garrus with your racist pride.

Help me com-mit gen-o-cide.

Then all the Nazis loved him.

And they shouted out with glee.

(Yippee)

Garrus the Turian racist.

You'll ride on the Nor-man-dyyyyyy.


*Sips Ryncol*

 

You continue to surprise me ZipZap, well done!



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what are your character ideas for our right-hand man?

 

 After seeing that explorers wanted poster and footage my gut says Drack gets the role.

 

Going by past history, a sycophant is a must. Someone who will approve of nearly any action you take, but never confront you on too personal a level for the one or two things they personally dislike. Frequent words of praise recognize the inherit properness of the player, emotional support of how 'hard' or 'difficult' a luxury entertainment game plot is on the psyche of the player(character) assists in immersion, and basking in shared glory by association makes the sycophant appear capable. A frequent longing to be accompanying the player character for 'fun' rather than pragmatic reasons is also encouraged.

 

Ideological consistency, however, is not important. Ideological flipflops will be ignored in and out of the medium, as consistency is the first casualty of fawning (and forcing the character into the most convenient plot position). The BFF's ideology should mirror the player's, no matter what the player's is, and no matter how often the player flips. The Best Friend will never challenge the player on any perceived inconsistency.

 

Casual cruelty to unsympathetic characters is more than acceptable- it's encouraged, as it shows someone is a 'badass' and is a daring way to not-really challenge the 'goody two-shoes' moralism if the character has a 'dangerous' side that only gets unleashed on acceptable targets. Acceptable targets include rhetorical bigots, opposing mercenaries, or any mouthy civilians who don't get with the program and support the sympathetic characters.

 

Fourth, the character needs to have little life outside of the protagonist, or at least no life that either doesn't conveniently support the protagonist's plot or won't be freely abandoned after a recruitment quest. The character's focus on supporting the main character ably, while being unable to keep down a job outside of being the protagonist's lackey is a charming testement to their dedication.

 

Finally, the character must never confront the player on any personal and direct level that can't simply be blamed on the character acting on a heat of the moment. Any reaction should preferably be aimed at other characters, but most of all the BFF should be appropriately contrite for any behavior towards the player, no matter how minor, and equally grateful for the benevolence and wisdom of whatever the player chose in the confrontation scene. This sort of character 'conflict' is acceptable because it proves that the BFF 'gets it,' understands their place in subordination to the player, and ultimately revers the centrality of the player while never challenging them on a personal level by assuming all blame themselves for any heretical difference of opinion.

 

And really, isn't that what a good Best Friend in a game should do?

 

Follow these simple steps,without actually describing them, and you to can write a fan favorite character that will have people with unrealistic expectations wishing they had a real-life sycophant friend and writing dozens of threads wishing they could ****** to you character as a romance!


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I hate the preset "best friend" character. I'd rather be "friends" with a character of my choosing, not a character the writers are pushing on me. Honestly, that's why I never liked Garrus and why I always hated Liara, for her constant pushing down your throat.

 

Edit: And if they really must have that character, I want an option to murder them. Thank you xo.


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sweet coffee. Someone needs a body rubber!

No thanx. What I need is certain stereotypes to die a horrible, painful death. Sincerely, Jedi Comedian.

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It's true that Garrus is a good friend, but many people, including those at BioWare, have Wrex as their bestie.  I was always enamored with the women of the series, but then again I'm a single white hetero male.

 

So, take that for what it's worth.



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Going by past history, a sycophant is a must.

 

[snip]

 

 

I don't think you know what that word means.



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It's true that Garrus is a good friend, but many people, including those at BioWare, have Wrex as their bestie.  I was always enamored with the women of the series, but then again I'm a single white hetero male.

 

So, take that for what it's worth.

Wrex was easily the most alpha guy in the game and likable because of it.

 

Unfortunately, he was barely in 2 and 3.


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I don't think you know what that word means.

 

That's a pity. Bioware has a veritable stable of yes-men characters often in praise of the protagonist.



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I wouldn't call any of them "Yes men".   The most that I can say about them is that they say, "Yeah, I see your point" with you barely having to speak.  In order to save time and money, they cut out the middle three paragraphs of you making your point.



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I wouldn't call any of them "Yes men".   The most that I can say about them is that they say, "Yeah, I see your point" with you barely having to speak.  In order to save time and money, they cut out the middle three paragraphs of you making your point.

 

Because truly cutting out the middle three paragraphs of supporting your argument no matter what you do is what makes all the difference...



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A lot of people on the BSN don't take Garrus anywhere, (which makes me sad,) but it creates the problem that not everyone has that attachment to the Bioware forced best friend. 

 

I love Garrus, but I'd rather not have a best friend forced upon me, I'd rather figure out who my best friend is on my own. :)

 

And yep I'm in the camp of "didn't particularly like Garrus and very rarely used him," so that final line he gives at the end, "There's no Shepard without Vakarian" really made me do a double take. Of course it's MORE than okay for other folks to love Garrus and feel he was their best bud; it's just the game shouldn't push that on players. (And of course the "best bud" is always, ALWAYS a male character because the writers intrinsically envision a male protagonist.) I had the same issue with Varric, by the way, never felt close to him, but the games assume he was my Hawke's closest friend. Not true at all.

 

A female bestie might spice it up a little.

 

Liara and Isabela were my characters' best friends in each franchise. The game might've coded them to be love interests, but since I quietly rejected all their overtures, the presumed closeness between us became strictly platonic.

 

Give him a gay lisp, and give fashion advices. Female Ryder needs a gay bestie. 

 

Do you mean fanon!Dorian, every FemQuisitor's gay BFF! He helps her dress for the ball and cheers her on as she makes out with her beloved commander... :sick:  :rolleyes:  


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