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I know the official story kill the dragon kill Corypheus but i was only interested to know when Corypheus created his dragon did he had her in DA2?
Is it possible that he is not immortal and that actually was that dragon who made him immortal with the horcrux?


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As he was apparently unaware that red lyrium existed until Bianca told him about it, it's very unlikely that the dragon was out there somewhere, lying in wait for its master.

The truth is that Corypheus invested a great deal of power into the dragon, so much so that killing the dragon actually weakened him. The dragon wasn't a Horcrux; it was more like a part of him.

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An horcrux is a part of a being.
He didn't seemed unaware about red lyrium rather he needed Bianca to have access to it.


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He is a darkspawn, a close kin of an archdemon. he can move his soul to another blighted being when his body is killed but,, after Hawke killed him, he had to take the shape of either Janica or Larius for a time. hence his remark "I have gained the will to return under no name but my own." He gained that power when he (as Janica or Larius) gained access to red Lyrium. He needed the dragon ally for the coming war he was planning, to help him make all of Thedas worship him and, he invested a part of himself into the dragon as a means of both empowering and controlling her.

 

Unfortunately for him, he invested a bit too much and, by the time Quizzy gets to him, he cannot reincarnate without the power that was himself that his dragon now holds. Apparently he gave whatever bit of himself that lets him do that to the dragon. Question is can the dragon reincarnate like an archdemon can? If so, was there a blighted being close at the final battle, or did that power manage to return to Cory. before the Inquisitor destroyed him? Have we really seen the end of that magister?



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An horcrux is a part of a being.
He didn't seemed unaware about red lyrium rather he needed Bianca to have access to it.

A Horcrux is really just a receptacle for a part of your soul. It's similar to a lich's phylactery from D&D. A phylactery isn't part of the lich; it's just the container where a lich regenerates if his physical body is destroyed.

In any case, the destruction of the dragon weakened Corypheus so much that he couldn't perform his body surfing trick.

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Unfortunately for him, he invested a bit too much and, by the time Quizzy gets to him, he cannot reincarnate without the power that was himself that his dragon now holds. Apparently he gave whatever bit of himself that lets him do that to the dragon. Question is can the dragon reincarnate like an archdemon can? If so, was there a blighted being close at the final battle, or did that power manage to return to Cory. before the Inquisitor destroyed him? Have we really seen the end of that magister?


You were right up until this part.

Remember the elf temple? Cory walked casually into a trap, exploded, then tore himself out of a Grey Warden.

Killing the dragon somehow disrupted his ability to do that, so that is why you are told to kill the dragon first. Otherwise, Cory would just send his soul through the blight and come out wherever he runs into a body. (Which makes me wonder if Archie is still alive even if he/it is killed.)

Cory was better than an Archdemon in that his soul would not clash, but neither Archie or Cory could control darkspawn like an Archdemon can.

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It's also possible that his body surfing trick only worked with Wardens. We never saw him take over a darkspawn, after all.

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Morrigan confirms Cory can take over any tainted creature, and there is no proximity limitation.

I think the issue was that Cory could jump to a live Warden if he wanted, or resurrect in a tainted being if killed. However, he shared this power with the dragon, thinking that it would actually be beneficial, and it was. It allowed both he and the dragon to resurrect. However, if the dragon is killed first, it begins using the resurrection power, which makes it unavailable for Corypheus. So if Corypheus is killed within that small time-frame, then he can't use the power and he dies. Thus the dragon dies also because the power was derived from Corypheus.

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I think we are vastly over-estimating the importance and abilities of the Dragon, because at no point do we get any indication that the Dragon has the ability to resurrect or has any degree of Corypheus' power stored within it. Rather, it always seemed to me that the Dragon's unique abilities were because of the Red Lyrium it had been corrupted by, nothing more.

 

The real reason that Corypheus uses the Dragon is because it's a powerful weapon and extremely durable meat-shield, which also allows him to mock the Old Gods he formerly served, while simultaneously playing on people's fears of a new Archdemon and Blight. In addition to the obviously more practical reasons that Dragons are extremely resistant to the effects of the taint (as a war table mission tells us) and because the Dragon is tainted, he can use it as a convenient replacement host to body-swap into if his current vessel is killed.

 

The reason he doesn't have the Dragon around him all the time is because he doesn't want to have it close enough that he'd jump into it rather than a nearby Warden or Red Templar. Think about it, if you've gone to the effort of setting up that kind of awesome trap card in your deck, you want to save having to use it for as long as you possibly can?

 

In both Haven. Adamant and the Arbor Wilds, we see that Corypheus doesn't summon the Dragon onto the field until enemy resistance has been crushed enough he can risk it taking part, or things have gone badly enough that he needs more fire support or he's lost suitable hosts among the Wardens or Red Templars under his command as they've been lost in the battle.



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Other than being a giant battering ram and having aerial advantage, I don't remember any benefit coming from the Dragon, for the contrary, as I get he screwed his immortality by binding her, though, I think binding one has to grant some benefit, they're Dragons after all.

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The reason he doesn't have the Dragon around him all the time is because he doesn't want to have it close enough that he'd jump into it rather than a nearby Warden or Red Templar. Think about it, if you've gone to the effort of setting up that kind of awesome trap card in your deck, you want to save having to use it for as long as you possibly can?

 

Which imply that he is not able to jump where he want but always to the nearest in terms of distances,basically the same weak point of  the Archdemon.



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Which imply that he is not able to jump where he want but always to the nearest in terms of distances,basically the same weak point of  the Archdemon.

 

I suspect that Corypheus cannot chose his new vessel, but is automatically drawn into the most heavily tainted individual in proximity to him when he's mortally wounded or outright killed, similar to the Archdemon.

 

Would explain why (barring story reasons) he jumped in to Larius/Janeka in Legacy, rather than other potential Wardens who might have been nearby such as Anders or Bethany/Carver, if they were brought along during the DLC.

 

According to World of Thedas Vol 2, Larius had spent over thirty years as a Warden before he went to his Calling, while his replacement Janeka was a Senior Warden who had served within the ranks for many years beside him. In comparison, Anders and a Warden Bethany/Carver had only been joined for six or seven years at the very most when Legacy occured, so the corruption probably hadn't progressed as much in their systems.



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World of Thedas Vol. 2 implies that Corypheus would have ridden the dragon into the Fade had he gotten the Anchor. How better to arrive at the gates of the Black City than on the back of a corrupted dragon?



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World of Thedas Vol. 2 implies that Corypheus would have ridden the dragon into the Fade had he gotten the Anchor. How better to arrive at the gates of the Black City than on the back of a corrupted dragon?

Corypheus can fly on his own



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Corypheus can fly on his own


Lot's of people can walk on their own, but it is more satisfying for others to carry your giant throne as you sit on it, casting your gaze on the miserable plebians, fortunate to have you judge their puny lives.
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World of Thedas Vol. 2 implies that Corypheus would have ridden the dragon into the Fade had he gotten the Anchor. How better to arrive at the gates of the Black City than on the back of a corrupted dragon?

 

Depends on whether he's yelling the Ancient Tevene equivalent of, "I'm back, b*****s!" as he triumphantly kicks down the door?  :lol: 


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