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[straykat]

Either way, I don't side with any of them because I think they're right. 

 

Both quests give me the impression that I'm doing them a favor. Not the other way around. Or that I'm joining some glorious cause. They're joining my cause.

[Hellion Rex]

Either way, I don't side with any of them because I think they're right.

Both quests give me the impression that I'm doing them a favor. Not the other way around. Or that I'm joining some glorious cause. They're joining my cause.

Quite. No matter which way you swing it, I feel like I'm really just fixing their mess.

[thesuperdarkone2]

For fun, here's the video pretty much showing why you can't get templars to help with Alexius.

https://youtu.be/7E95T32q1d8?t=1m25s

[straykat]

For fun, here's the video pretty much showing why you can't get templars to help with Alexius.

https://youtu.be/7E95T32q1d8?t=1m25s

 

I never watched the elf in action. Voice throws me off, since I associate with human.

 

But I don't want to do that personally. I just reserve big options for different playthroughs (if I got around to them). I only wished there were more individual mage recruitments... the "agent" recruitment screen, y'know? Like the tranquil or the Cult of Andraste stuff. There's the guy at the bar near the Tranquil, there's the guy near the HoF statue..there's the young elf kid... they all want to acknowledge the Inquisition, but they're more loyal to Fiona or their first enchanters. Sucks for them.

 

Same could go the other way around for Templars... I just don't see any like this.

[thesuperdarkone2]

I never watched the elf in action. Voice throws me off, since I associate with human.

 

But I don't want to do that personally. I just reserve big options for different playthroughs (if I got around to them). I only wished there were more individual mage recruitments... the "agent" recruitment screen, y'know? Like the tranquil or the Cult of Andraste stuff. There's the guy at the bar near the Tranquil, there's the guy near the HoF statue..there's the young elf kid... they all want to acknowledge the Inquisition, but they're more loyal to Fiona or their first enchanters. Sucks for them.

 

Same could go the other way around for Templars... I just don't see any like this.

In that case you'd probably have 30% time reduction for war table missions before Skyhold.

[Lord of War]

It is shocking that the mages you meet are more loyal to people they've known their whole life, through all kinds of adversity, than to an upstart religious order that looks like the Templars 2.0.

[straykat]

In that case you'd probably have 30% time reduction for war table missions before Skyhold.

 

What do you mean? Dude, I haven't even played DAI enough...so this is kind of obscure.

 

I'm just saying there should be more mage agents. Nothing more. Nothing less. 

[straykat]

It is shocking that the mages you meet are more loyal to people they've known their whole life, through all kinds of adversity, than to an upstart religious order that looks like the Templars 2.0.

 

Only one person says that -- the Free Marches chick, who likes siding with Tevinter and defends blood magic. 

 

The others are begging for help. Literally begging.

[thesuperdarkone2]

What do you mean? Dude, I haven't even played DAI enough...so this is kind of obscure.

 

I'm just saying there should be more mage agents. Nothing more. Nothing less. 

In case you forgot, having agents means reducing the time it takes for your advisors  to do war table missions. Ergo, recruiting the mages individually could give you massive reductions in war table mission time before even reaching Skyhold.

[Hellion Rex]

It is shocking that the mages you meet are more loyal to people they've known their whole life, through all kinds of adversity, than to an upstart religious order that looks like the Templars 2.0.

Blind loyalty to a woman throwing in with a Magister is certainly more admirable, for sure. Especially when she signs them all up for servitude under that Magister.

[straykat]

In case you forgot, having agents means reducing the time it takes for your advisors  to do war table missions. Ergo, recruiting the mages individually could give you massive reductions in war table mission time before even reaching Skyhold.

 

Ah I see. Thanks for clearing it up.

 

I actually plan on playing again..I'll brush up on the details soon enough. Just moving to a new platform.

[straykat]

Blind loyalty to a woman throwing in with a Magister is certainly more admirable, for sure. Especially when she signs them all up for servitude under that Magister.

 

I can almost admire the Free Marches mage more, since she knows and willingly accepts her conditions. She sees potential there.

 

I don't understand the ones who know they're screwed, but remain loyal anyways.

[Lord of War]

Blind loyalty to a woman throwing in with a Magister is certainly more admirable, for sure. Especially when she signs them all up for servitude under that Magister.

 

Didn't say it was admirable, but it really isn't surprising, is it? Serve the Magister or be turned right back in to the Chantry (or something close enough). Tevinter is more powerful than the Inquisition, and is far less liable to make them all Tranquil.

[Hellion Rex]

Didn't say it was admirable, but it really isn't surprising, is it? Serve the Magister or be turned right back in to the Chantry (or something close enough). Tevinter is more powerful than the Inquisition, and is far less liable to make them all Tranquil.

Perhaps, but it's rather romantically naive to think Tevinter would necessarily treat Southern mages more kindly than the Chantry. The Imperials would crush them like bugs.

[straykat]

Didn't say it was admirable, but it really isn't surprising, is it? Serve the Magister or be turned right back in to the Chantry (or something close enough). Tevinter is more powerful than the Inquisition, and is far less liable to make them all Tranquil.

 

But you can explicitly tell them it doesn't have to be like that... that you're not Templars.

 

I see the good side of going in and helping them though...don't get me wrong. I just don't think they have anything to do with it. Or that they're better than the Templars. It's all on me/the player. 

 

If it was just a choice between the mage Rebellion and Temps as they originally started, then yes... they are better to me. But it isn't about that here. Not anymore.

[Lord of War]

You can tell them whatever you like, being believed is another question. Southern mages romanticizing Tevinter isn't really all that surprising either, even Anders does it. These are people who risked everything to be free, they're going to with the people who are offering that over the ones that look like their former jailers. 

 

Still, it's not like Fiona even wanted the deal with Alexius to happen in the first place. Alexius literally alters time to get her to agree: he has infinite dice rolls, and he can change the conditions to be more and more in his favor with each one. 

[straykat]

You can tell them whatever you like, being believed is another question. Southern mages romanticizing Tevinter isn't really all that surprising either, even Anders does it. These are people who risked everything to be free, they're going to with the people who are offering that over the ones that look like their former jailers. 

 

Still, it's not like Fiona even wanted the deal with Alexius to happen in the first place. Alexius literally alters time to get her to agree: he has infinite dice rolls, and he can change the conditions to be more and more in his favor with each one. 

 

Risked everything to be free.... yet lack the individual courage to depart when **** hits the fan. They're still punks at heart. And not the good kind of punk.

 

Fiona is screwed.. and I pity her for being duped. I understand that. But I'm just talking about these other mages for now.

[Lord of War]

Where are they going to go, though? They're backed into a corner, no allies left in the world but each other and Alexius. Until very recently, the countryside has been crawling with renegade Templars looking to kill them, and the Inquisition must seem at least somewhat untrustworthy. There's a difference in being a coward and being realistic.

[straykat]

Where are they going to go, though? They're backed into a corner, no allies left in the world but each other and Alexius. Until very recently, the countryside has been crawling with renegade Templars looking to kill them, and the Inquisition must seem at least somewhat untrustworthy. There's a difference in being a coward and being realistic.

 

They're asking for help. They must not be that untrusting.

 

The only one that sees you as Templars 2.0 is the chick in the tavern, as I said. But she's defiant. She doesn't want you around, for that very reason. She's more honest with her beliefs than these other guys are.

[Daerog]

There were mages that gave Fiona the bird and walked away, only those without the will or courage to defy a magister (understandable) remained at Redcliffe. Although, they are just implied, not seen.

There was that one enchanter who had a templar friend(/lover?) who was living not far from the rebel mages, but disagreed and stayed away from Redcliffe.

Wynne's son also abandoned the rebel mages... even though he voted for war... what a jerk...

Mages in general outnumber Templars, but a lot of them did not participate in the war or abandoned the rebels at some point.

[Hellion Rex]

There were mages that gave Fiona the bird and walked away, only those without the will or courage to defy a magister (understandable) remained at Redcliffe. Although, they are just implied, not seen.

There was that one enchanter who had a templar friend(/lover?) who was living not far from the rebel mages, but disagreed and stayed away from Redcliffe.

Wynne's son also abandoned the rebel mages... even though he voted for war... what a jerk...

Mages in general outnumber Templars, but a lot of them did not participate in the war or abandoned the rebels at some point.

Lol, Rhys knew a sinking ship when he saw one. And I don't blame him for leaving, cause he got sucker punched by Adrian into voting for the war.

[MisterJB]

That's actually not a lie. Read Asunder and WOT. They pretty much says that in some circles, the templars found out about the revolt in the White Spire before the mages did and decided to kill the mages rather than let them escape.

 

And in the very same paragraph, it says that in those Circles where the Templars did not strike first, the mages did.
 

[Hellion Rex]

And in the very same paragraph, it says that in those Circles where the Templars did not strike first, the mages did.
 

I can understand why both tried to get the drop on the other. At that point, I think everyone understood it was kill or be killed. Regardless of how the other respective Circles felt about the decisions made by the mages and templars of White Spire, it certainly forced everyone in the other Circles into lethal combat.

[Lord of War]

Besides, the Templars signed up for it. The mages didn't.

[straykat]

There were mages that gave Fiona the bird and walked away, only those without the will or courage to defy a magister (understandable) remained at Redcliffe. Although, they are just implied, not seen.

There was that one enchanter who had a templar friend(/lover?) who was living not far from the rebel mages, but disagreed and stayed away from Redcliffe.

Wynne's son also abandoned the rebel mages... even though he voted for war... what a jerk...

Mages in general outnumber Templars, but a lot of them did not participate in the war or abandoned the rebels at some point.

 

She wasn't with them to begin with though... she and that Templar seemed to be seperate. I wish there were more like her though.

 

I'm just talking about the Redcliffe group. The ones asking for help....yet don't have the balls to help themselves by joining you. I'd be happy with just one.

 

Suddenly I want to make a Mr. T Inquisitor. "I pity the fool." That's what a lot of my potential alliances seem to boil down to.