You forget Templars choose to break away from chantry and solely hunt mages and abandon protecting the people when mages merely wanted more autonomy in the circles. They did this under no under influence, it was pure free will. And as I mentioned earlier in none of the endings Templars get back the respect and power they once had, for very valid reasons.
Choosing to go to war with mages was an extension of their duty to protect the people.
Somehow, I doubt mail leaves the Circle without the Templars reading it.
Of course, because anything that might paint Templars in a positive light is certainly suspicious. 
Recently, i noticed this about the conflict's writing. The narrative usually presents a misuse of magic as a reaction in response to perceived abuses from the Templars versus them just being flawed people. Rarely highlights any positives of the mages living conditions or contrasts theirs with the regular people, and fails to show on a regular basis (engine limitations and gameplay balance) how destructive demons and magic can be in relation to what their respective codices had detailed. Mind you a codex mentions abominations having the power to blow up buildings, yet we tear through them like toilet paper.
I don't know if it's writer bias or plain ineptitude but If they were trying to present a grey situation they failed.
Still pro Templar though.
Or, and this is just a hunch, the in-universe portrayal of demons as being all that powerful is intentionally inflated and at odds with reality. And yes, abominations can destroy buildings, just as mages can tear open world-eating holes in the fabric of reality; it just doesn't happen often.
Choosing to go to war with mages was an extension of their duty to protect the people.
It was not their duty, because they broke away from chantry and don't fool yourself, they protected NO ONE by doing that, only their own ego. Breaking away from chantry was literally a crime.
No, because they broke away from chantry and don't fool yourself, they protected NO ONE. Breaking away from chantry was literally a crime.
Not to mention Lambert pretty much gloats that he wanted an excuse to kill mages when fighting Rhys, Evangeline, and Cole.
Not to mention Lambert pretty much gloats that he wanted an excuse to kill mages when fighting Rhys, Evangeline, and Cole.
Templars do not have any authority over mages, they never did. The Chantry has this authority. So instead of kill, I'd use the word "murder" because that's what it would have been. Because once they break away from the chantry they lost the authority as well.
Of course, because anything that might paint Templars in a positive light is certainly suspicious.
If they didn't, Samson wouldn't have been thrown out of the Order, yes?
Choosing to go to war with mages was an extension of their duty to protect the people.
Yeah, I'm sure they invaded Fereldan and started murdering people with broomsticks to protect people.
It was not their duty, because they broke away from chantry and don't fool yourself, they protected NO ONE by doing that, only their own ego. Breaking away from chantry was literally a crime.
What crime? The Nevarran Accord was a bilateral agreement, an agreement that was null and void when the Divine send her right hand assassin to murder Templars for doing their job and the following "dissolution" of the circles.
What crime? The Nevarran Accord was a bilateral agreement, an agreement that was null and void when the Divine send her right hand assassin to murder Templars for doing their job and the following "dissolution" of the circles.
What's their "job" though? There are a lot of loopholes with this idea. I don't need to remind you that a priest can order a Templar around and Lambert was also obligated to obey the Divine.
It was definitely not their job to murder mages for merely suggesting the idea of autonomy in the circles, that was a personal attack ordered by Lambert and it met its appropriate answer from the Divine. I think I don't need to remind you Seekers were corrupt to the very core and the top man was leader of Templars. I wouldn't actually be surprised if Justinia knew about the corruption and would have revealed it had she not died.
Codex entry: Bethany - After the Deep Roads
Bethany communicates often with her family since entering the Circle, and she is adjusting to her new life with ease. For the first time, she can study magic without watching over her shoulder. After passing her much-delayed Harrowing, she took a senior position within the Circle, teaching and mentoring the newest apprentices. Bethany is surprised at how many templars are honest Andrastians, who believe they serve the Maker and the people by keeping mages from using blood magic. However, this up-close look at the templars has also shown her the abuses that inevitably occur when one group of people is given life-and-death power over another. Bethany supports the Circle as it is, but this grows harder as Knight-Commander Meredith clamps down more tightly.
Sounds like even in Kirkwall, things weren't always so bad.
http://dragonage.wik...tter:_From_Ella
If Ella was sent back and Bethany joined the Circle...
Messere Hawke,In case you don't remember me, we met in the Gallows a few years ago. You saved my life. Twice, in fact.
Bethany sends her love. I should have recognized the family resemblance sooner. Knowing Bethany, it now makes perfect sense that you, of all the people in Thedas, would be the one to rescue me.
It's not the kindest thing to say, but nobody misses Ser Alrik. Not even the other templars. I know it's hard to imagine, but they don't want to fight. They want things to be normal: no Harrowings, no Tranquil, no one dying. But none of us are getting that wish now.
So many dark whispers in the Circle. Terrible days are coming for all of us. Your sister and I will pray that Andraste keeps you safe.
Sincerely,
Ella
Te other side. (Templar) Carver's letter:
Te other side. (Templar) Carver's leter:
Dear (name),How are you? I hope you and Mother are doing well. Things are good here. I've found my place among the templars. It's nice to have purpose, to be part of something bigger than myself... and you! All right, all right, I'll stop being a pain in the ass.It's not a perfect job, though. I don't really like what we do to mages, but do we have a choice? It keeps everyone safe, and it's better than the alternative. Many mages understand that we're trying to help, even if our methods could use improvement.Unfortunately, there are extreme elements within the Order. Some argue for a permanent solution and have ideas I hope never take root. Makes me glad Bethany never had to live in a place like this.I'll wrap this up. Duty calls. Send my love to Mother.Your brother,CarverWho sees better? The mage, who have first time with her fellow mages, and have a big library, or the templar, who belive the order, but know a bigger part of the truth? I think: The Templar.
Dear -,
I hope this letter finds you well. My time in the Circle has been bearable, even after the templars made a point of putting me through the Harrowing as soon as I arrived. They thought I was at risk of possession or running away like Father. Glad it's over with.
I've started mentoring apprentices. I enjoy time with the children, teaching them basic spells. One of them, Ella, has taken a shine to me. Adorable!
Life's not perfect here, mind you. The templars are mostly polite, and I know they're just doing their jobs, but some hold extreme views. There's one creep named Ser Alrik who likes harassing mages, but I'll steer clear of him!
I'm doing fine! Please don't worry about me.
With love,
Bethany
Bethany has connections with nobility who later becomes the most popular man/woman in the city. Of course she's going to get special treatment AND was watched out for by Cullen (Meredith will still blackmail Hawke by threatening Bethany of course). Do you ever hear other people complain about being beaten and raped in the Gallows? Definitely yes.
Bethany was treated well even before Hawke became Champion of Kirkwall.
Yeah, I'm sure they invaded Fereldan and started murdering people with broomsticks to protect people.
Wait are we talking about Templars or mages here?
Mages were given shelter in redcliff, it was Templars who took land without anyone's permission, hence the usage of the word invade.
Also Templars attacked Redcliff once, can ask the people in Redcliff, the healer in particular who healed injured people from that attack. Some were not even mages.
Mages were given shelter in redcliff, it was Templars who took land without anyone's permission, hence the usage of the word invade.
Also Templars attacked Redcliff once, can ask the people in Redcliff, the healer in particular who healed injured people from that attack. Some were not even mages.
The mages were given shelter at Redcliffe.
THen they sold themselves to a foreign power which invaded and expelled the arl.
Not to mention all the mages running around burning everything and everyone in sight.
The mages were given shelter at Redcliffe.
THen they sold themselves to a foreign power which invaded and expelled the arl.
Not to mention all the mages running around burning everything and everyone in sight.
Fiona made a deal with Tevinter AFTER the Templars attacked them though. The Templars attacked Redcliff and killed/injured people, whether mages or people of Redcliff. Also they occupied land beforehand without anyone's permission. So regarding your witty comment "Wait are we talking about Templars or mages here?" it was obviously Templars.
Also the mages AND Templars running amok in Hinterlands are not affiliated with Redcliff or Templars, they are rogues. The fact you don't know this says a lot.
Yeah, I'm sure they invaded Fereldan and started murdering people with broomsticks to protect people.
Yes, the rebel templars in the Hinterlands are acting little better than bandits. I won't defend their actions. But so are the rebel mages who won't join their fellows in Redcliffe.
But let's be clear: mages also murdered a bunch of people, including other mages, out in Amaranthine just to stir up distrust of the templars. So neither side is innocent and pure.
Yes, the rebel templars in the Hinterlands are acting little better than bandits. I won't defend their actions. But so are the rebel mages who won't join their fellows in Redcliffe.
But let's be clear: mages also murdered a bunch of people, including other mages, out in Amaranthine just to stir up distrust of the templars. So neither side is innocent and pure.
One side does not have to be innocent and pure for the other side to be far worse. In any case, that only happens if the Inquisition sides with the templars and is inapplicable in any world where the Inquisition sided with the mages.
Dear -,
I hope this letter finds you well. My time in the Circle has been bearable, even after the templars made a point of putting me through the Harrowing as soon as I arrived. They thought I was at risk of possession or running away like Father. Glad it's over with.
I've started mentoring apprentices. I enjoy time with the children, teaching them basic spells. One of them, Ella, has taken a shine to me. Adorable!
Life's not perfect here, mind you. The templars are mostly polite, and I know they're just doing their jobs, but some hold extreme views. There's one creep named Ser Alrik who likes harassing mages, but I'll steer clear of him!
I'm doing fine! Please don't worry about me.
With love,
Bethany
As I said: Bethany was in the in Circle at first time. She never met before her fellow mages, and seen a so big library. She was as a child in the candy store. And not forced to flee. There is whose escape worse. From this fact, the Circle system not be good.
Carver know better, I think.
Fiona made a deal with Tevinter AFTER the Templars attacked them though. The Templars attacked Redcliff and killed/injured people, whether mages or people of Redcliff. Also they occupied land beforehand without anyone's permission. So regarding your witty comment "Wait are we talking about Templars or mages here?" it was obviously Templars.
Also the mages AND Templars running amok in Hinterlands are not affiliated with Redcliff or Templars, they are rogues. The fact you don't know this says a lot.
Fiona had no right to bring Tevinter into Redcliffe under any circumstances.
As to the Templars attacking Redcliffe, I thought they were threatening to attack, thus why Fiona went and sold her people into slavery. You sure you're not mistaking some random band of Templars for the main body?
And I am fully aware of both mages and Templars running amok in the Hinterlands. That was my point. Both sides were acting deplorably.
As I said: Bethany was in the in Circle at first time. She never met before her fellow mages, and seen a so big library. She was as a child in the candy store. And not forced to flee. There is whose escape worse. From this fact, the Circle system not be good.
Carver know better, I think.
Bethany lived in terror of being dragged off to the Circles for most of her life.
Once she was in one. And in fact one of the worst Circles in Thedas (you know, the one where all the rapes, beatings and unauthorized Tranquility was taking place), she found it far better than expected.
One side does not have to be innocent and pure for the other side to be far worse. In any case, that only happens if the Inquisition sides with the templars and is inapplicable in any world where the Inquisition sided with the mages.
So we can still count Anders' chantry-bombing in Kirkwall and Adrien's framing Rhys for being the Ghost in the Spire, right?
Those canonically happen in all world-states?
Bethany lived in terror of being dragged off to the Circles for most of her life.
Once she was in one. And in fact one of the worst Circles in Thedas (you know, the one where all the rapes, beatings and unauthorized Tranquility was taking place), she found it far better than expected.
I have already written why.
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