Only for short periods of time. They can't leave the circle forever
Also, there's no proof of any "everyday Andrastians" being present.
Not even that. The Knight-Commander of Ferelden only permitted seven mages to participate at Ostagar (to stop the Fifth Blight) when Irving openly disagreed with the decision and another templar tells you that the only way to get out of the tower is to jump out the window. So much for "permission from their First Enchanter".
given that there was at least one known blood mage in the Circle at the time the decision isn't that ridiculous
Stabbing some random person in the back doesn't require anything other than a sharp item. Just because someone is able to endanger others isn't a justifiable reason to lock them up. How much of a danger should a normal theodasian pose before they should be locked up without having done anything wrong?
First off, not all people can wield weapons, elves are prohibited from buying them, peasants don't have the time or money to buy/train with them, that leaves only the nobility and precious few others with access to weapons. Furthermore, it takes quite a bit of training to become proficient with a weapon so as to go around kill everyone you see.
No they aren't. Only in the Denerim Alienage are they prohibited from having any weapons (Probably because Vaughn doesn't want them to fight back). Outside of there they are well allowed to carry weapons. In Kirkwall they can even join the city guard (Probably only after Aveline took over though).
since Elves are preyed upon similarly across Thedas I doubt such a ban was exclusive to DenerimNo they aren't. Only in the Denerim Alienage are they prohibited from having any weapons (Probably because Vaughn doesn't want them to fight back). Outside of there they are well allowed to carry weapons. In Kirkwall they can even join the city guard (Probably only after Aveline took over though).
given that there was at least one known blood mage in the Circle at the time the decision isn't that ridiculous
You mean Jowan? Didn't he turn to blood magic because his girlfriend found evidence that they were going to make him tranquil?
You mean Jowan? Didn't he turn to blood magic because his girlfriend found evidence that they were going to make him tranquil?
Jowan went blood mage due to fear of being too weak for the Harrowing... which isn't about power, so Jowan was just being paranoid. The Tranquility was due to suspicion of blood magic.
Also, what superdark said.
Blood magic is taught, so when there is blood magic, the question is how that person learned it. Alone? Group? Teacher? Student?
Doesn't Irving say that there is a book teaching blood magic in the public library?
It's either that or in his own office. I can't remember which it is.
Wait
It was in the public library, but he had it placed in his own library/office for safe keeping.
since Elves are preyed upon similarly across Thedas I doubt such a ban was exclusive to Denerim
Maybe other Alienages have the same rule I don't know for certain, but generally elves seem to be allowed to own weapons. Even in Denerim it was apparently an Alienage-only thing. Fenris runs around visibly armed through Kirkwall without problems and does mercenary work sometimes while not following Hawke. Athenril also shows up armed in the middle of the city. Zevran can walk around with two daggers everywhere in Fereldan. Berwick from DAO visibly carries a bow around Redcliffe and some of the mercs Loghain sends to off you are elves, also visibly armed, in the center of Denerim. As mentioned Lia joins the city guard of Kirkwall if Kelder is killed, various legitimate mercenary bands employ elves (Iron bulls chargers for example) and the Inquisition hands out weapons to elves just fine.
Wot says Uldred taught Jowan to get suspicion off of himself as people would think the blood Mage was Jowan and thus nobody would suspect him
Quite.
I followed another apprentice through supposed secret maneuvers today, and exposed her tendency towards blood magic. The environment of the tower is such that certain modes of thought are encouraged, both for good and ill. The students think we toy with them. The truth is far more intricate and directed. Deviant traits must be exposed early, or the whole of the Circle suffers.
Uldred has been very helpful in identifying the markers to look for.
http://dragonage.wik...rving's_Mistake
Bringing up everyday Thedosians doesn't help, as the lives of peasants and elves suck. Keeping with ideals and moral standards I think helps the Libertarian arguments more. A peasant can be killed on a whim with little fuss, especially an elf. At least mages have more rights than a peasant, they can even organize into political parties.
Mages can kill multitudes by accident, have their soul trapped by a demon, cause a demon to trap mundane souls, mind control, and many other bad things a mundane can't. A mundane and mage live radically different lives, regardless of societal rules.
As you quite rightly point out. Nobles are a potential threat to mundane theodasians, so shouldn't they all be locked up in order to protect others?
When nobles can create a firestorm, drain the life force of others, summon a demon, boil a person's blood, or inflict someone with a waking nightmare, all with their mind, then come talk to me. It's not comparable.As you quite rightly point out. Nobles are a potential threat to mundane theodasians, so shouldn't they all be locked up in order to protect others?
When nobles can create a firestorm, drain the life force of others, summon a demon, boil a person's blood, or inflict someone with a waking nightmare, all with their mind, then come talk to me. It's not comparable.
They can start and support a 80 year long war that kills, enslaves and rapes a whole nation though. Pretty sure beats all the things you mentioned.
When nobles can create a firestorm, drain the life force of others, summon a demon, boil a person's blood, or inflict someone with a waking nightmare, all with their mind, then come talk to me. It's not comparable.
Hey, Arl Howe actually did manage to summon demons in the Denerim Alienage.
They can start and support a 80 year long war that kills, enslaves and rapes a whole nation though. Pretty sure beats all the things you mentioned.
Remind me again who let this stuff loose? Pretty sure it beats everything you mentioned.
Remind me again who let this stuff loose? Pretty sure it beats everything you mentioned.
It's unknown. Almost certainly not Tevinter; the Blight obviously predates it, as we can see from ancient red lyrium. It might have been Andruil's fault, but that was in a completely different world.
It's unknown. Almost certainly not Tevinter; the Blight obviously predates it, as we can see from ancient red lyrium. It might have been Andruil's fault, but that was in a completely different world.
Nah, I'm referring to the Magisters who still let it loose into Thedas.
Nah, I'm referring to the Magisters who still let it loose into Thedas.
I will need an actual, factual citation on this. Not Chantry supposition.
I will need an actual, factual citation on this. Not Chantry supposition.
That's strange. You don't require anything beyond supposition when it comes to criticisms of the Chantry, or the Templars, or Gaspard, or... well, most people you frequently criticize at any given chance.
I will need an actual, factual citation on this. Not Chantry supposition.
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