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[TheKomandorShepard]

In the whole familiy had no mage. Staff was, mage was not – blame the designer...

(She dared to speak to the demon, because there was no mage, and she believed, that she will resist.)

It is said that family never had magic in their line, not that she wasn't a mage.Im pretty sure that casting a spells qualifies you as a mage.

 

 

Rarely doesn't mean impossible, your system would fall as soon as someone in power decides to keep the child, there is also the possibility of a grown up whose magic shown too late, which would be a problem if your "mage hunters" already got used to kill children that do not put up a fight. Non-mages are vulnerable to demons and no mage is required for them to pass, is enough with bloodshed, unless you want to argue that trees, rams, and templar conscripts are actually mages.

So again, magic it's not the problem, we didn't hear of Titans or Dragons messing around, problem is the moronic behaviour displayed by some "sapient" beings, you want to solve that out? The only way is through depriving free will, does it work? Only if you are a Gravemind, it seems.

 

It is redundant, as i said it is marginal (to point being non-existen in whole series) and not as harmful as abominations. That is not how it works either, that Amells were most powerful family in kirkwall didn't prevent their children being taken away, as i mentioned having a mage child is considered a shame. Mage hunters would train, so practice isn't a problem. Once again, cases of non-mage being possessed naturally are non-existent in entire series, every instance of such possession in series was caused by mages either by summoning demon or damaging veil, and while non-mages can damage veil it rarely happens especially in comparison to mages that do it much more frequently.Plus ,possession of templars ,trees and others were caused by mages either tearing veil or summoning demons, avoiding fact once again that walking tree that attacks only targets near is nowhere near as dangerous as an abomnation .

 

How exactly magic isn't a problem? I can have free will and i still wouldn't be able to do nowhere near mess without magic that mages did.Plus, we know next to nothing about titans so saying they did nothing destructive and harmful is big assumption , while dragons repeatedly demonstrated they are harmful and dangerous.

[Catilina]

It is said that family never had magic in their line, not that she wasn't a mage.Im pretty sure that casting a spells qualifies you as a mage.

 

 

 

It is redundant, as i said it is marginal (to point being non-existen in whole series) and not as harmful as abominations. That is not how it works either, that Amells were most powerful family in kirkwall didn't prevent from their children being taken away, as i mentioned having a mage child is considered a shame. Mage hunters would train, so practice isn't a problem. Once again, cases of non-mage being possessed naturally are non-existent in entire series, every instance of such possession in series was caused by mages either by summoning demon or damaging veil, and while non-mages can damage veil it rarely happens especially in comparison to mages that do it much more frequently

 

How exactly magic isn't a problem? I can have free will and i still wouldn't be able to do nowhere near mess without magic that mages did.Plus, we know next to nothing about titans so saying they did nothing destructive and harmful is big assumption , while dragons repeatedly demonstrated they are harmful and dangerous.

https://youtu.be/G5RQjXAEX9w?t=947

 

"Was your Mother a mage?[...]"

"We never had magic in our line. Perhaps that made Mother too confident.[...]"

 

This means to me that she was no mage. But ,maybe, I misunderstood.

[TheKomandorShepard]

https://youtu.be/G5RQjXAEX9w?t=947

 

"Was your Mother a mage?[...]"

"We never had magic in our line. Perhaps that made Mother too confident.[...]"

 

This means to me that she was no mage. But ,maybe, I misunderstood.

 

We never had magic in our line, means they never had a mage in their family, not that she wasn't a mage.

Considering that she had staff and was casting spells she is obviously a mage, even if we assume that it was just mistake on devs part we would need evidence that would contradict that she was a mage.  

 

Even if we assume she wasn't a mage, then demon already was across the veil most likely summoned and binded by a mage.

[Andromelek]

It is said that family never had magic in their line, not that she wasn't a mage.Im pretty sure that casting a spells qualifies you as a mage.
 
 

 
It is redundant, as i said it is marginal (to point being non-existen in whole series) and not as harmful as abominations. That is not how it works either, that Amells were most powerful family in kirkwall didn't prevent from their children being taken away, as i mentioned having a mage child is considered a shame. Mage hunters would train, so practice isn't a problem. Once again, cases of non-mage being possessed naturally are non-existent in entire series, every instance of such possession in series was caused by mages either by summoning demon or damaging veil, and while non-mages can damage veil it rarely happens especially in comparison to mages that do it much more frequently
 
How exactly magic isn't a problem? I can have free will and i still wouldn't be able to do nowhere near mess without magic that mages did.Plus, we know next to nothing about titans so saying they did nothing destructive and harmful is big assumption , while dragons repeatedly demonstrated they are harmful and dangerous.

Marginal again is not non-existent, you only need an Isolde on a better position to screw it up, leaving that to chance is your persistent mistake. How exactly they would train if there ar no mages around? Reading records of people who did fight mages? You can say ancient humans were hunters and read the journal of a veteran hunter, but if I throw you to a pit full of beasts without any real experience your chances to survive are rather slim. A war is enough to ensure there will be Sylvans, no idea how Lord Woolsley got possessed but his family were commoners that did not know about any of that.

Because if you wipe out magic, then will come technology, which can turn to be as harmful as the first, but unlike the first cannot be reversed so easily. There is evidence of Evanuirs attacking them but none about a provocation coming from them, and Dragons only hurt for food, even codex entries say they prefer animals to persons so the problem with them is the same that with wolves.

[Catilina]

We never had magic in our line, means they never had a mage in their family, not that she wasn't a mage.

Considering that she had staff and was casting spells she is obviously a mage, even if we assume that it was just mistake on devs part we would need evidence that would contradict that she was a mage.  

 

Even if we assume she wasn't a mage, then demon already was across the veil most likely summoned and binded by a mage.

Ok, then one question: 

If she was a mage, why her doughter thought that: "Perhaps that made Mother too confident."? (And why not say, simply, that "Yes"?)

 

As I said, maybe I wrong, but It's not logical.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Marginal again is not non-existent, you only need an Isolde on a better position to screw it up, leaving that to chance is your persistent mistake. How exactly they would train if there ar no mages around? Reading records of people who did fight mages? You can say ancient humans were hunters and read the journal of a veteran hunter, but if I throw you to a pit full of beasts without any real experience your chances to survive are rather slim. A war is enough to ensure there will be Sylvans, no idea how Lord Woolsley got possessed but his family were commoners that did not know about any of that.

Because if you wipe out magic, then will come technology, which can turn to be as harmful as the first, but unlike the first cannot be reversed so easily. There is evidence of Evanuirs attacking them but none about a provocation coming from them, and Dragons only hurt for food, even codex entries say they prefer animals to persons so the problem with them is the same that with wolves.

I don't think you understand that it is not non-existent is irrelevant here, that crimes exist doesn't change importance of keeping crimes to minimum.I pretty much explained that my solution would deal with such people as well reduce numbers of such people through various means, not to mention no other solution offers better alternative when it comes to matter of people like Isolde.If war was enough then Thedas would be infested with demons, it clearly takes more than that, plus once again sylvans pose individual threat rather than any serious threat to society.

 

There would be always mages to off, there is quite number of apostates in the wilds to deal with, tevinters and there would be few exceptions made as someone needs to prepare joining to clean mess mages made, of course those exceptions would be kept in under strictly controlled conditions.

 

Technology is much more beneficial than magic in most fields and can be controlled by society as it lacks free will. That there is evidence of someone doing something doesn't equatate to evidence of someone else not doing something, as i said we have almost no knowledge on titans o tell whether they are harmful and dangerous.Not rly , dragons were quite often shown to go on rampages either in codex entry or as we saw in games. 

 

 

Ok, then one question: 

If she was a mage, why her doughter thought that: "Perhaps that made Mother too confident."? (And why not say, simply, that "Yes"?)

 

As I said, maybe I wrong, but It's not logical.

Maybe simply because she thought she was special because she was only mage in family and that made her too confident?  (Why she wouldn't say simple no)

[Andromelek]

I don't think you understand that it is not non-existent is irrelevant here, that crimes exist doesn't change importance of keeping crimes to minimum.I pretty much explained that my solution would deal with such people as well reduce numbers of such people through various means, not to mention no other solution offers better alternative when it comes to matter of people like Isolde.If war was enough then Thedas would be infested with demons, it clearly takes more than that, plus once again sylvans pose individual threat rather than any serious threat to society.

There would be always mages to off, there is quite number of apostates in the wilds to deal with, tevinters and there would be few exceptions made as someone needs to prepare joining to clean mess mages made, of course those exceptions would be kept in under strictly controlled conditions.

Technology is much more beneficial than magic in most fields and can be controlled by society as it lacks free will. That there is evidence of someone doing something doesn't equatate to evidence of someone else not doing something, as i said we have almost no knowledge on titans o tell whether they are harmful and dangerous.Not rly , dragons were quite often shown to go on rampages either in codex entry or as we saw in game.

Huh what? You've been making this shitty plan to be applied on the southern area only... this whole time!? even when the most troublesome mages on the franchise have been from Tevinter? you would not just be a cruel dictator that issues a senseless carnage to wipe out mages, you would be a cruel dictator that issues a senseless carnage to wipe out mages on his area and offers his butt to be kicked by those who still have mages.

Magic doesn't have free will either, spirits are magical entities not magic itself, technology is not really more beneficial than magic, magic is much better on healing, and the harm made with magic can be undone by the same, like the Breach, while the harm made by technology can't be undone, drop a nuke on your town and you won't be able to live there on fifty years, and even then you could get cancer by trying. Dragon's rampage consists on a vicious hunt that is mostly of flock beasts.

Gosh, I think that this discussion is done...

[TheKomandorShepard]

Huh what? You've been making this shitty plan to be applied on the southern area only... this whole time!? even when the most troublesome mages on the franchise have been from Tevinter? you would not just be a cruel dictator that issues a senseless carnage to wipe out mages, you would be a cruel dictator that issues a senseless carnage to wipe out mages on his area and offers his butt to be kicked by those who still have mages.

Magic doesn't have free will either, spirits are magical entities not magic itself, technology is not really more beneficial than magic, magic is much better on healing, and the harm made with magic can be undone by the same, like the Breach, while the harm made by technology can't be undone, drop a nuke on your town and you won't be able to live there on fifty years, and even then you could get cancer by trying. Dragon's rampage consists on a vicious hunt that is mostly of flock beasts.

Gosh, I think that this discussion is done...

 

Well that it isn't applied to tevinter (at least for time of being) is no brainer considered that Tevinter is independent magocracy. Second you clearly use word senseless to make yourself feel better and look me bad, i pretty much explained purpose of such solution.Third, Tevinter has no real chance to defeat southern thedas while it has units that are specialized to fight mages and are stuck in war with Qunari, plus another effect of mine solution would be that southern thedas would start to technologically advance.

 

That is ridiculous statement, in first place magic is attached to the mages (and can't be taken away from them, unless we tranquil a mage but it is no longer a mage) therefore magic is under control of 1 individual that has free will. Second, pointing that spirits are magical entities is completely redundant here, aside from fact that spirits (as well demons) live in another dimension and in almost every instance of them crossing veil are caused by mages, it is obvious im talking here about threat spell-casters (mages) pose.

 

Wrong, technology is much more beneficial to society due to facts, it can be mass produced, it can be put under society control unlike magic where we are at mercy of mages whims,  technology is much more stable than magic , there are good reasons why Tevinter was absolutely demolished by Qunari. Second, nice try but no , blights torment humanity for a millennium as effect of disaster caused by mages , that they can help with fires they have start in first place is poor argument to not get rid off them, plus technology can also solve problems it caused.

 

Yeah, except you are wrong tell that Orlais or miners (twice).

[Yermogi]

In all the games, I've tried to take a more moderate stance. I believe the Circles are good in the sense that they are places for mages to gather, learn, study, experiment, and live with others who have abilities like them. I also believe that it is good that the mages should be taught to use magic responsibly and safely, for the sake of the mages and those around them. What Vivienne said in Inquisitions is true- "normal" people can never truly understand mages. However, rather than being places where mages can learn and live, many Circles are like prisons. They are highly restricted, the mages are treated as walking sticks of dynamite, the Templars are scarier than the demons, and many of the mages have been torn from their families who love them to live in the Circles against their wills. It's true that Kirkwall was probably the worst out of all of them, but the Ferelden Circle was no happy place to be either. The mages there still seemed nervous and afraid of the Templars, and the Templars seemed to feel the same way about the mages. Not an ideal situation for fostering understanding and goodwill.

 

I believe in Circle reform. I had a system in mind which I think could probably work- each village/town has mages living in it, as well as Templars. Whenever a child is found to be gifted, they are taken to one of these mages who then teaches them responsible, basic magic there in their hometown while the child is still living with their families. The local Templars also teach the child about the dangers of magic, and why there are things that they shouldn't do. But instead of being scary jailors, the Templars would instead be familiar faces who are just trying to help the child, which would make them more comfortable with the idea. Then, when the child is old enough, they are sent to the Circles which would be more like academies and colleges instead of prisons. They could come home to visit their parents, and when they had passed enough tests to prove that they were able to fully control their powers, they could either stay and continue to study, or move back home and be a mentor to new young mages.

 

I believe that mages should have Templars around for their protection and for others, and I believe that they should be sent to Circles to learn how to use their abilities. But I don't believe that they should be locked away because of their gifts, or made Tranquil for the slightest provocation. In the game, there have been comments made how mages in the Circle cannot adapt to everyday life outside of the Circles, which is because they've spent their whole life IN the Circle! There needs to be a better system in place for the mages and Templars both, otherwise both groups will continue to be misunderstood by the other. 

[Vit246]

What Vivienne said in Inquisitions is true- "normal" people can never truly understand mages.

 

I have to call BS on this. There is an entire nation called Rivain that "understands" its mages. They reject the Chantry's "reality" and substitute their own. The reason why muggles don't understand mages is, in no small part, due to the Chantry's influence and doctrine creating a unfriendly environment of fear and paranoia and hatred.

[Yermogi]

I have to call BS on this. There is an entire nation called Rivain that "understands" its mages. They reject the Chantry's "reality" and substitute their own. The reason why muggles don't understand mages is, in no small part, due to the Chantry's influence and doctrine creating a unfriendly environment of fear and paranoia and hatred.

But that's Rivain. That's only one nation. Orlais, Ferelden, the Free Marches- mages are kept completely seperate because regular people (most of them) are afraid of mages. Rivain is an exception.

[Jedi Comedian]

Magic and Tevinter are the enemy. Templars should annul all the Circles. There should be only Warriors and Rogues LOL.

[Lord of War]

In all the games, I've tried to take a more moderate stance. I believe the Circles are good in the sense that they are places for mages to gather, learn, study, experiment, and live with others who have abilities like them. I also believe that it is good that the mages should be taught to use magic responsibly and safely, for the sake of the mages and those around them. What Vivienne said in Inquisitions is true- "normal" people can never truly understand mages. However, rather than being places where mages can learn and live, many Circles are like prisons. They are highly restricted, the mages are treated as walking sticks of dynamite, the Templars are scarier than the demons, and many of the mages have been torn from their families who love them to live in the Circles against their wills. It's true that Kirkwall was probably the worst out of all of them, but the Ferelden Circle was no happy place to be either. The mages there still seemed nervous and afraid of the Templars, and the Templars seemed to feel the same way about the mages. Not an ideal situation for fostering understanding and goodwill.

 

I believe in Circle reform. I had a system in mind which I think could probably work- each village/town has mages living in it, as well as Templars. Whenever a child is found to be gifted, they are taken to one of these mages who then teaches them responsible, basic magic there in their hometown while the child is still living with their families. The local Templars also teach the child about the dangers of magic, and why there are things that they shouldn't do. But instead of being scary jailors, the Templars would instead be familiar faces who are just trying to help the child, which would make them more comfortable with the idea. Then, when the child is old enough, they are sent to the Circles which would be more like academies and colleges instead of prisons. They could come home to visit their parents, and when they had passed enough tests to prove that they were able to fully control their powers, they could either stay and continue to study, or move back home and be a mentor to new young mages.

 

I believe that mages should have Templars around for their protection and for others, and I believe that they should be sent to Circles to learn how to use their abilities. But I don't believe that they should be locked away because of their gifts, or made Tranquil for the slightest provocation. In the game, there have been comments made how mages in the Circle cannot adapt to everyday life outside of the Circles, which is because they've spent their whole life IN the Circle! There needs to be a better system in place for the mages and Templars both, otherwise both groups will continue to be misunderstood by the other. 

 

I can partly agree with this. Mages need to train, they need protection, they don't need to be abused prisoners, etc. You still have this faulty assumption that the Templars and mages are equal groups that need to "understand" each other, though. They're not, and they don't. Templars are the fanatical volunteer army of a religious organization that can basically be compelled to do anything if some priest says it's okay. They believed they had "divine right" over the mages. They have to go, for what they've done, for what they represent, and for their promise of future tyranny.

 

As a group, mages don't want to become abominations, they don't want to cause magical disasters, they just want to be able to live like the human beings they are. I would propose that the new College/Circle system be entirely divorced from the Chantry, and the Templars be replaced with guards answerable to a council of the senior enchanters. No mage could be made Tranquil without the unanimous approval of the enchanters (that is, hopefully never). If mages are possessed, everything would be done to help free them (as we know is possible), not kill them. Experienced, educated mages are the only ones really qualified to protect the world from the excesses of magic. 

[Beerfish]

As a minor Bann of some lands in Thedas: I could not care any less if I 'understand mages'.  I'll sympathize with their plight until one of them goes off either from their own doings or even if it is 100% not their fault and razes a town or village.  At that point I say call in the Templar and do what is necessary to get things under control.  I prefer the present system of preemptive control in the way of the circles.

 

As a common peasant/farmer in Thedas:  My sister and her family got killed by a mage last year.  Next one that comes into our village I'm going to kill.

 

As a member of the Qun I realize that mages are very very dangerous and must be leashed and controlled.

 

As a member of a Dalish clan magic has brought us much benefit and much sorrow, several adjoining clans have been totally wiped out by consorting with demons.

 

These are the types of people in the world that have the biggest say and are by far the bigger source of population.   What they think over time is what shapes the mage/chantry Templar situate, not the Mages or Templars themselves.

[Xilizhra]

As a minor Bann of some lands in Thedas: I could not care any less if I 'understand mages'.  I'll sympathize with their plight until one of them goes off either from their own doings or even if it is 100% not their fault and razes a town or village.  At that point I say call in the Templar and do what is necessary to get things under control.  I prefer the present system of preemptive control in the way of the circles.

 

As a common peasant/farmer in Thedas:  My sister and her family got killed by a mage last year.  Next one that comes into our village I'm going to kill.

 

As a member of the Qun I realize that mages are very very dangerous and must be leashed and controlled.

 

As a member of a Dalish clan magic has brought us much benefit and much sorrow, several adjoining clans have been totally wiped out by consorting with demons.

 

These are the types of people in the world that have the biggest say and are by far the bigger source of population.   What they think over time is what shapes the mage/chantry Templar situate, not the Mages or Templars themselves.

Aside from the fact that only one clan that I know of was wiped out by consorting with demons, you appear to ignore that many will have their perceptions influenced by good things mages can do as well. For instance, Harritt being less standoffish towards mages if the Hero of Ferelden was one, and of course the chance for the mage rebellion to help seal the Breach.

[Lord of War]

As a minor Bann of some lands in Thedas: I could not care any less if I 'understand mages'.  I'll sympathize with their plight until one of them goes off either from their own doings or even if it is 100% not their fault and razes a town or village.  At that point I say call in the Templar and do what is necessary to get things under control.  I prefer the present system of preemptive control in the way of the circles.

 

As a common peasant/farmer in Thedas:  My sister and her family got killed by a mage last year.  Next one that comes into our village I'm going to kill.

 

As a member of the Qun I realize that mages are very very dangerous and must be leashed and controlled.

 

As a member of a Dalish clan magic has brought us much benefit and much sorrow, several adjoining clans have been totally wiped out by consorting with demons.

 

These are the types of people in the world that have the biggest say and are by far the bigger source of population.   What they think over time is what shapes the mage/chantry Templar situate, not the Mages or Templars themselves.

 

Interesting framing here. Let me try:

 

As a bann: my daughter is a mage, and she was dragged off to the Circle. She failed her Harrowing, and the Templars didn't even send back the body.

 

As a farmer: my son nearly died after he fell off his horse, but a passing apostate healed him for nothing.

 

As a Qunari: my sister manifested her magic late, but I know she isn't a 'dangerous thing.' She needs help, not to be forced into the horror that is a Saarebas's life.

 

As a Dalish: my Keeper and First have healed every member of the clan at least once, and we're instrumental in protecting us from human mobs and rabid Templars.

 

I really think your overstating the prevalence of abominations and towns & villages being wiped out here. You are also underestimating the degree to which centuries of Chatry dogma was warped the general population's perception of mages.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I have to call BS on this. There is an entire nation called Rivain that "understands" its mages. They reject the Chantry's "reality" and substitute their own. The reason why muggles don't understand mages is, in no small part, due to the Chantry's influence and doctrine creating a unfriendly environment of fear and paranoia and hatred.

Rivian is nation of self-destructive cultists that self-preservation and common sake for suicidal traditions. The reason why people don't "understant" mages is understanding facts concerning mages that they are threat to society safety , so unless you are insane or brainwashed to to sacrifice society for sake of tradition or a few, it is just common sense.

 

 

I can partly agree with this. Mages need to train, they need protection, they don't need to be abused prisoners, etc. You still have this faulty assumption that the Templars and mages are equal groups that need to "understand" each other, though. They're not, and they don't. Templars are the fanatical volunteer army of a religious organization that can basically be compelled to do anything if some priest says it's okay. They believed they had "divine right" over the mages. They have to go, for what they've done, for what they represent, and for their promise of future tyranny.

 

As a group, mages don't want to become abominations, they don't want to cause magical disasters, they just want to be able to live like the human beings they are. I would propose that the new College/Circle system be entirely divorced from the Chantry, and the Templars be replaced with guards answerable to a council of the senior enchanters. No mage could be made Tranquil without the unanimous approval of the enchanters (that is, hopefully never). If mages are possessed, everything would be done to help free them (as we know is possible), not kill them. Experienced, educated mages are the only ones really qualified to protect the world from the excesses of magic. 

 

Templars are guardians that exist to stand between mages and society , for a good reason. Mages are threat to world and society safety, therefore templars or their equivalent are necessary to mantain world and society safety.It is clear that you have little idea about successful governing society, if you did you would know that sacrificing majority it for sake of few is rather bad idea. 

 

It is irrelevant whether they want it or not because it isn't even matter of choice, what matters is that they do and consequences are cataclysmic.Plus i already have pointed in what such "utopian" system would result and what problems would it create. 

 

 

 

Interesting framing here. Let me try:

 

As a bann: my daughter is a mage, and she was dragged off to the Circle. She failed her Harrowing, and the Templars didn't even send back the body.

 

As a farmer: my son nearly died after he fell off his horse, but a passing apostate healed him for nothing.

 

As a Qunari: my sister manifested her magic late, but I know she isn't a 'dangerous thing.' She needs help, not to be forced into the horror that is a Saarebas's life.

 

As a Dalish: my Keeper and First have healed every member of the clan at least once, and we're instrumental in protecting us from human mobs and rabid Templars.

 

I really think your overstating the prevalence of abominations and towns & villages being wiped out here. You are also underestimating the degree to which centuries of Chatry dogma was warped the general population's perception of mages.

Aside from that those are exceptions rather than a rule, i pretty sure you are overestimating chantry influence because when it comes to mages chantry when it comes to mages only points to a fact that mages are dangerous and preaches that magic is a curse but also a gift.You also underestimate fact that a mage may not only lead to destruction of your village, but also city, country and even world at any moment of your life and thousands different reasons.

 

 

[Lord of War]

 

Templars are guardians that exist to stand between mages and society , for a good reason. 

 

 

LOL

 

The Templars are the Chantry's drugged, indoctrinated army. They exist to back the Chantry's (and thus the Orlesian Empire's) unjust laws and self-serving whims. For someone who is accusing me of having no understanding of politics, this is a rather naive position to take.

 

I also have to wonder how your mage genocide world will function? Magical problems can happen with no interference from mages. Large battles and mass suffering wear the Veil thin. Demons can possess normal people and inanimate objects (see sylvans and dust wraiths). The Templars aren't really fit to handle these problems, especially if they never encounter actual mages in the first place. I doubt this would matter anyway, since with no mages the Qunari would crush Thedas, and even they aren't insane enough to kill all their mages. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

LOL

 

The Templars are the Chantry's drugged, indoctrinated army. They exist to back the Chantry's (and thus the Orlesian Empire's) unjust laws and self-serving whims. For someone who is accusing me of having no understanding of politics, this is a rather naive position to take.

 

I also have to wonder how your mage genocide world will function? Magical problems can happen with no interference from mages. Large battles and mass suffering wear the Veil thin. Demons can possess normal people and inanimate objects (see sylvans and dust wraiths). The Templars aren't really fit to handle these problems, especially if they never encounter actual mages in the first place. I doubt this would matter anyway, since with no mages the Qunari would crush Thedas, and even they aren't insane enough to kill all their mages. 

 

Well, to be honest reading what you wrote templars may not be only drugged here, and how exactly prevents them from doing what i said they were doing? First, Templars were used to push orlesian agenda only in extremely rare cases, their main function and daily function is to oversee mages and enforce law concerning mages and that is about it.Second, it isn't about Justice only about doing what is necessary to survive and create stable and safe society, also how exactly protecting world and collective is self-serving whim? What you are saying here is nothing more but pro-mage propaganda and that i just debunk it isn't by any mean naive stance. 

 

I pretty much already addressed in this topic every single "issue" you have pointed. First of all, that there are cases of magical problems that weren't caused by mages is irrelevant here because fact is those are marginal and almost non-existent, so basically to put in example with removing of mages we remove 99 % causes of magical disasters, so basically we leave in great position of having to deal with only 1 % that in first place is much less dangerous than most of those 99 % incidents caused by mages. The templars are most fitting unit to fight demons or mages (with perhaps exception of seekers) in entire setting, after whole specialization along with abilities focus on fighting demons and mages, plus as i said before they will encounter mages.

 

With no mages, Thedas societies would avoid constant destruction caused by mages and could focus on rebuilding and growth, as well start to advance technologically what would be much greater help against qunari.

[Catilina]

Yes, templars protect people.

 

Form thinking. (Solas) 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Yes, templars protecting people.

 

Form thinking. (Solas) 

I must be mistaken, but im pretty sure if not templars there would be nothing that would stand against abomnations and society when mages go wrong.Plus, i know that is exceptional case but Templars were also protecting Lothering during blight.

 

You are also quoting a nut that wants to destroy world because of nostalgia, he even destroyed previous world to stop bunch of unstoppable mages that were going to destroy world, so i don't think that Solas can criticize Templars when he proved their point.

[Catilina]

I must be mistaken, but im pretty sure if not templars there would be nothing that would stand against abomnations and society when mages go wrong.Plus, i know that is exceptional case but Templars were also protecting Lothering during blight.

Well, they once again: the dalish elves have not Templars, in fact, the Templars existence the one of reason to theirs constant wandering...

[Lord of War]

Hmm, yes, slaughtering Thedas's most potent anti-Qunari force and some of its most educated people would absolutely help develop new technology quickly enough to repel an invasion. People certainly wouldn't be unhappy with the mass butchery of their children and actively try to save them. Surviving mages, with nowhere to train and no official safe haven, certainly wouldn't be more vulnerable to demonic possession and more prone to cause disasters.

 

You're a delusional would-be genocide. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well, they once again: the dalish elves have not Templars, in fact, the Templars existence the one of reason to theirs constant wandering...

Dalish aren't part of society that templars protect, in fact they are part of the danger.Most of the dalish clans we encountered lead to disaster/tragedy because of their mages. 

 

 

 

Hmm, yes, slaughtering Thedas's most potent anti-Qunari force and some of its most educated people would absolutely help develop new technology quickly enough to repel an invasion. People certainly wouldn't be unhappy with the mass butchery of their children and actively try to save them. Surviving mages, with nowhere to train and no official safe haven, certainly wouldn't be more vulnerable to demonic possession and more prone to cause disasters.

 

You're a delusional would-be genocide. 

Yes, said most potent anti-Qunari forces constantly brings destruction upon Thedas societies making them less capable to fight Qunari. There is no single society that promotes the use of magic and is technologically advanced, only cultures that are technologically advanced are Qunari and dwarves, Qunari refuse to be depend on mages while dwarves have no mages.Hawke beautifully sums up why Thedas have no technological progress when talking to Javaris.

 

Yeah, aside we know there are plenty of people that not only are willing to not only discard but also murder their children because they are a mage.Plus, i addressed that already nothing that can't be fixed with using fear, indoctrination and greed. That is why, we would have templars to hunt such cases, in fact now that Templars don't need watch over mages they would focus on hunting them. 

[Catilina]

Dalish aren't part of society that templars protect, in fact they are part of the danger.Most of the dalish clans we encountered lead to disaster/tragedy because of their mages. 

However, they are also involved in the disaster, which caused the red Templar ...  The Templars equally exposed to temptation, and cause the same hazard, because they attack in packs, and have big weapons, and a crazy ancient magister in theirs side...