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[ArcadiaGrey]

I like the idea of less feminine asari, I'd very much like some different body models used for all the races tbh.  I'd find it rather refreshing, as a woman playing video games I get very bored with almost every female being super hot.  Flat-chested, androgynous, fat, short, skinny, flat bums etc would be great.  

 

Seeing how Liara said the asari are mono-gendered, not female, I don't see why that wouldn't fit into the lore, but it looks like I'm in the minority here.....maybe I don't know enough about the lore.

[wolfsite]

I'm getting a feeling of Deja Vu.

[aoibhealfae]

Because being "feminine" is so bad right? 

 

They are a mono-gendered species that don't recognize the concept of separate gender roles. Femininity is not a universal behavioral attributes across different cultures or even species. In fact, a lot of Asari characters you interacted with are portrayed quite neutrally. You can replace a lot of them as males and their characterization didn't even suffer..... except for the nightclub dancers and prostitutes, I suppose.

[ZipZap2000]

They are a mono-gendered species that don't recognize the concept of separate gender roles.

With great racks.

Also, they like each others racks if you don't mind Aethyta butting in here. (Pun intended.)

[aoibhealfae]

 

*adore*

[yolobastien6412]

IIRC, Humans are supposed to be the most genetically diverse species encountered, so it's normal to not see much phonotypic variation among other species.

As for Asari, they should keep them as they are, or that will interfere with the lore. I'd much rather they create more interesting Andromedans instead of expanding Asari (tbh, I don't like them much anymore). If there were a species they had to expand, it would be Salarians and Batarians, since we have little to no idea how their females look like or behave.

[Element Zero]

This idea makes no more sense than adding breasts to Salarians and Turians for the sake of "variety and diversity". Like it or not, the Asari were made to fit a trope. (I'll say it again, James T. Kirk beds green space babes, Shep beds blue ones.) We are fortunate that the writers did develop the Asari beyond this very basic starting point, making them a key player in the galactic society we know. They were the first to find the Citadel, they are the most advanced species, they have an admired e-democracy, they are respected for their wisdom, etc...

ME Andromeda needs to keep things familiar, or risk losing all credibility. Doing something so drastic, jarring and unneeded to one of the most iconic species would be absolutely ridiculous. We are going to a new galaxy. If they wish to make an androgynous species, they can do so. They need not retcon one of the iconic Council species to add something like this to the game.

The OP makes it clear that we aren't talking about giving the Asari a variety of body models, some with larger or smaller breasts, some with thicker or thinner waists, etc... We are talking about making some of them androgynous (i.e. vaguely male and/or female in appearance; or indeterminate). That is a total shift away from what the Asari are.

I'm not at all worried about this happening, since I know the team isn't crazy enough to sink their own ship in this particular way. (Not with an entire galaxy of new aliens species to design.) Still, I have to wonder, how could anyone possibly think this is a good idea?

Edit: typos. So hard to keep it 100% clean on an iPad.

[Yaroub]

The possibilities are endless!

[ZipZap2000]

This idea makes no more sense than adding breasts to Salarians and Turians of the sake of "variety and diversity". Like it or not, the Asari were made to fit a trope. (I'll say it again, James T. Kirk beds green space babes, Shep beds blue ones.) We are fortunate that the writers did develop the Asari beyond this very basic starting point, making them a key player in the galactic society we know. They were the first to find the Citadel, they are the most advanced species, they have an admired e-democracy, they are respected for their wisdom, etc...

 

 

Man that would be something.

[Wulfram]

I have no objection to there being individual Asari who look broadly androgynous. Really, it seems like it'd be pretty easy to happen since they don't have hair.

Though I wouldn't consider the picture in the OP to be androgynous, that's just a male Asari.

[SNascimento]

Asari are a fan service race. I doubt Bioware would do anything to change that. especially because the demand for things you can bang seems extremely high among the fanbase.  

[Obliviousmiss]

I'm getting a feeling of Deja Vu.

 

Ever get that feeling of Deja Vu?

 

 

 

Asari are a fan service race. I doubt Bioware would do anything to change that. especially because the demand for things you can bang seems extremely high among the fanbase.  

 

This. I don't care for Asari. I avoided Liara like the plague, yet she kept bumping into me.....creepily.

 

*missing the Elcor LI thread*

[Laughing_Man]

Asari are a fan service race.

 

Asari were a "fanservice race", now they are an important race in the universe of ME, with depth that equals or exceeds all other races.

 

As for fanservice, they are much less obvious than the the possibility to have sex as a human with Turians or Quarians.

(both cases are supposed to be potentially deadly)

 

But yes, you can have my vote for taking out the soapy romantic drama from Andramada, if that will lead to an improvement and more depth in other aspects of story telling.

[SNascimento]

Asari were a "fanservice race", now they are an important race in the universe of ME, with depth that equals or exceeds all other races.

I won't argue the second part, the Asari have as much lore as any other main race in the Mass Effect universe, but as I see it, it doesn't change that in their very core they are in the game to serve as sexual objects.

What I really liked though is that with Javik Bioware threw hints that the Asari are like that because they were engineered to be like that by the Protheans. It's like an in-game explanation to why they are fan service. Of course, Javik just hints at Asari being engineered sex slaves and I don't see that as a fact, only as a theory. But it's one that fits. 

[Element Zero]

I won't argue the second part, the Asari have as much lore as any other main race in the Mass Effect universe, but as I see it, it doesn't change that in their very core they are in the game to serve as sexual objects.
What I really liked though is that with Javik Bioware threw hints that the Asari are like that because they were engineered to be like that by the Protheans. It's like an in-game explanation to why they are fan service. Of course, Javik just hints at Asari being engineered sex slaves and I don't see that as a fact, only as a theory. But it's one that fits.

What? I didn't get this at all. I agree with the initial thought 100%, as my previous posts indicate. I just don't see how Javik indicated that the Asari were bred to be sex slaves.

[Laughing_Man]

They are a mono-gendered species that don't recognize the concept of separate gender roles. Femininity is not a universal behavioral attributes across different cultures or even species. In fact, a lot of Asari characters you interacted with are portrayed quite neutrally. You can replace a lot of them as males and their characterization didn't even suffer..... except for the nightclub dancers and prostitutes, I suppose.

 

Asari probably don't have a use for all the words you used to describe gender, except perhaps to describe weird alien mating rituals.

For them there's just Asari, everything else connected to the idea of more than one gender has to so with aliens or possibly animals native to their home-world.

 

As for dancers and prostitutes, I'm rather certain that there are males in these roles as well, so I don't see your point.

 

 

I won't argue the second part, the Asari have as much lore as any other main race in the Mass Effect universe, but as I see it, it doesn't change that in their very core they are in the game to serve as sexual objects.

What I really liked though is that with Javik Bioware threw hints that the Asari are like that because they were engineered to be like that by the Protheans. It's like an in-game explanation to why they are fan service. Of course, Javik just hints at Asari being engineered sex slaves and I don't see that as a fact, only as a theory. But it's one that fits. 

 

"Sexual object" means that someone is there for the sole purpose of looking sexy, like when they use female or male models to sell a car, a deodorant, or anything else.

 

A fully fledged character that also looks sexually appealing (even if it is to the "wrong crowd"), has nothing to do with it.

Although admittedly sometimes they go overboard with some aspects, like with Miranda, but that's the Bio tendency of being subtle as a hammer to the face.

 

The Asari are there for much more than that, they are a fully fledged race, equal to the other races, and in a position of authority over the rest of the council. Ditto for Liara, her looks are far from the main thing about her character.

 

As for Prothean genetic vandalism, it is actually an older fan theory that was needed not only to explain the Asari, but also the inexplicable prevalence of so many humanoid races with some similarities to one another in the same galaxy.

[SNascimento]

What? I didn't get this at all. I agree with the initial thought 100%, as my previous posts indicate. I just don't see how Javik indicated that the Asari were bred to be sex slaves.

It's very subtle. For example, there is one part (in the Citadatel DLC if I remember right) that Javik say something like 'if Liara knew wha the Prothean did with the Asari...' indiacting that there were some dark things going on back then. Moreover, we know as a fact that the Protheans directly intervened with Asari development, although I don't know if genitic engineering was said to be part of it. I just find more easy to explain Asari sexual behavior as something imprited on them by another race than as a naturally occurring phenomenon.

And think about what we know of the Prothean Empire. Would they creating a race of "consorts" really be beyond them?

[Element Zero]

It's very subtle. For example, there is one part (in the Citadatel DLC if I remember right) that Javik say something like 'if Liara knew wha the Prothean did with the Asari...' indiacting that there were some dark things going on back then. Moreover, we know as a fact that the Protheans directly intervened with Asari development, although I don't know if genitic engineering was said to be part of it. I just find more easy to explain Asari sexual behavior as something imprited on them by another race than as a naturally occurring phenomenon.
And think about what we know of the Prothean Empire. Would they creating a race of "consorts" really be beyond them?

I don't take anything in the Citadel DLC seriously. The whole thing was one non-stop comedy track, and was intended as such, excepting a few tear-jerker moments. The message is "subtle" because it isn't really there, in my opinion. No offense intended.

The Asari were created to be blue space babes. They over did it with the ubiquitous Asari strippers, and probably shouldn't have worked that into the species lore. I suspect it was just easy because Asari models are simply humans with different scalps, and their presence made the bars and clubs look a bit more exotic. In retrospect, they should've worked in more human (and other alien?) dancers, male and female. Maybe we will see that in MEA.

As to the Asari "wild maiden years lore": is it really that strange for a species who live 1000 years to have a slightly longer "wild teen period"? I couldn't see myself indulging in stupidity for a century, but I could definitely see much of humanity doing such. It's not like the game really dwelled on this, anyway. Samara addressed it, if you spent time with her discussing her life. Then, Ereba acknowledged this bit of lore in a brief NPC interaction on Illium.

Edit: for clarity

[DeathScepter]

I like the idea of less feminine asari, I'd very much like some different body models used for all the races tbh.  I'd find it rather refreshing, as a woman playing video games I get very bored with almost every female being super hot.  Flat-chested, androgynous, fat, short, skinny, flat bums etc would be great.  

 

Seeing how Liara said the asari are mono-gendered, not female, I don't see why that wouldn't fit into the lore, but it looks like I'm in the minority here.....maybe I don't know enough about the lore.

 

 

How can they get pregant unless they are a species of All female? Mono-gender means One gender. Biology-wise: They are all female. Cultural-wise: They don't have the traditional Male and Female Roles as we do see them. 

[Pasquale1234]

But that goes against the lore since we know that asari mentally manipulate those they interact with into seeing them as the ideal female of their species.
(serious/not serious)

I think this belief (suspicion?) exists for a couple of reasons:

1 - The asari were set up as exotic dancers / strippers / potential mates for every other species in the galaxy.

2 - An oddly interpreted bachelor party beer goggles joke.

If you actually listen to the conversation, it's clear that they are talking about the asari as we see them.

 

 

[Element Zero]

I think this belief (suspicion?) exists for a couple of reasons:
1 - The asari were set up as exotic dancers / strippers / potential mates for every other species in the galaxy.
2 - An oddly interpreted bachelor party beer goggles joke.
If you actually listen to the conversation, it's clear that they are talking about the asari as we see them.

Many can't discern between when the writers were trying to be humorous and when they were presenting "lore". These were three guys getting inebriated at a bachelor party. They are a source of humor, not lore.

Edit: Ugh. I feel like I have to edit every post I make on this damn iPad.

[Pasquale1234]

Many can't discern between when the writers were trying to be humorous and when they were presenting "lore". These were three guys getting inebriated at a bachelor party. They are a source of humor, not lore.

Edit: Ugh. I feel like I have to edit every post I make on this damn iPad.

They also didn't really listen to the conversation. The attendees actually talk about her blue skin, the human explains to the salarian about the belly button, and the turian likes her head fringe. The conversation is evidence that what they are seeing is the same as the way we see them.

It was a beer goggles joke.

[von uber]

Where's that post of mine i linked to on the last thread when this came up which linked to the thread before..

[capn233]

The mental manipulation theory was never even remotely confirmed and is basically just based off 3 drunk guys in a bar talking about a stripper.

 

Three guys talking at a bar is the second highest class of evidence.  That's just science.

 

Also, the probability of seeing androgynous asari is "low."

[Quarian Master Race]

Star Trek sort of already did this in one of its social issue PSA episodes
http://memory-alpha....com/wiki/J'naii

and of course Riker tried to bang one.

Spoiler

however judging by the OP, you're not really interested in the issue of androgyny. You seem to just be asking for mansari


which would require a retcon.....and would be stupid. 

Seriously, you're better off just asking for male quarians to be portrayed as chiseled off colour Greek gods if you just want some cross species fapbait, as at least they already exist.

Or, you could even just ask for more of the species that actually was created specifically to serve as female fanservice

Spoiler

mmmm, dem billowy green exposed man pillows.