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[En Es Ef Dubyu]

I'm not sinking anywhere, it's your logic I applied, not mine. I even explained why it's inherently wrong. Don't throw this on me.

 

So in your mind same gender relations has the same evolutionary purpose as plagues? Are you sure you are not homophobic?

 

In any case that's flat out wrong.

A. It's not even close to being effective at reducing or slowing down the increase in human population numbers by any significant percentage.

B. In nature when population of certain species explode in an area, you never see a sudden increase in same gender sex, and populations never stabilize due to this reason.

C. That's pseudoscience BS.

 

Regarding Asari preferences, I really don't see your point.

 

A. You ignore the fact that there is a very important mental component in Asari reproduction.

Meaning there is an entire dimension of what Asari find appealing that is completely Alien to us as humans.

 

B. Indeed, for all we know many Asari are only attracted towards other Asari (we even meet a few during the games).

Does that mean that all of them share the same sexual preferences?

Hell, there are female players of ME that get all hot and bothered at the thought of Garrus/F!Shep romance, despite the mandibles and the spikes and everything. Yet according to you it should be physically impossible to be attracted to an "Alien", right?

 

C. Your "by the way" about Batarians is completely irrelevant.

Batarians don't need to be sexually appealing to humans (much less straight males) to be sexually appealing to Asari, Asari are Aliens after all.

 

 

Edit: I actually think that variety in body shapes is a good idea for every race in ME, not just Asari.

However the picture in the first post is clearly of a male version of Asari, not a variation on the existing Asari.

And I just hate retcons, politically motivated or not.

First of all I didn't call you or use the word homophobic, you called me that indirectly just now. Try to control the outright personal attacks, particularly that kind. 

 

Plagues cause horrible suffering and death. H omosexuality doesn't. How do you come to equate the two?

 

I wasn't aware there was an evolutionary study in progress on earth to determine how h omosexuality and population exlposions relate in humans. Did every identifying person come forward  and participate in this study? If so, how can you invalidate it as...

 

 

Pseudoscience....uh, hello asari???

 

As to its evolutionary effectiveness, we outsmart nature at every turn. Nature may kick our butts soon though., thank the goddess. But again just a theory. Not my personal stance.

 

 

 

 

^ No, you know what you're right. It makes absolute perfect sense that evolution on planet earth operates on Thessia, only to the extent that it makes a completely unrelated species, look exactly like hot blue human chicks wearing a bike helmet. All other evolutionary processes, like a species being attracted its own or another very closely resembling it are ridiculous.

 

 

Edit: Garrus's voice is the trigger. It would be the same if it was his voice used on a female turian. They are very alien in appearance. Hard to make out what is what. An androgynous asari leaning towards masculine in appearance may have a vocalization drawback, but since they are not female like human females, I could be attracted to them under such conditions. Then again some women have husky voices too.

 

 

This is getting to feel like entrapment in order to invalidate a request. I hope BioWare does provide some androgynous asari (masculine leaning) in the future as prominent NPCs and possibly as a potential LI to all.

 

 

[Sartoz]

that second purple asari. Great body. That's how fem protag needs to look. An no less.

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A purple body builder type? No, thanks. 

[Laughing_Man]

 

First of all I didn't call you homophobic, you called me that indirectly just now. Try to outright control the personal attacks. 

 

Plagues cause horrible suffering and death. H omosexuality doesn't. How do you come to equate the two?

 

I wasn't aware there was an evolutionary study in progress on earth to determine how h omosexuality and population exlosions relate. Did every identifying person come forward  and participate in this study? If so, how can you invalidate it as...

 

Pseudoscience....uh, hello asari???

 

^ No, you know what you're right. It makes absolute perfect sense that evolution on planet earth operates on Thessia, only to the extent that it makes a completely unrelated species, look exactly like hot blue human chicks wearing a bike helmet. All other evolutionary processes, like a species being attracted its own or another very closely resembling it are ridiculous.

 

 

No, you didn't call me homophobic, you asked that I "won't sink so low" in a very specific context.

 

You are the one that claimed that homosexuality has an important evolutionary role, and now I have to prove that you are wrong?

Classic pseudoscience.

 

 

The point regarding the Asari is that disregarding how and why they were created by Bioware (so they wanted to create a race of aliens that also look sexually appealing to their largest demographic, how is that wrong exactly? that's just a competent business decision), currently they are an established race with established lore and somewhat established biology.

 

Certain facts may rankle your sensibilities, but that's not reason enough to just retcon them out of ME, or change them to appeal to your personal taste.

[En Es Ef Dubyu]

No, you didn't call me homophobic, you asked that I "won't sink so low" in a very specific context.

 

You are the one that claimed that homosexuality has an important evolutionary role, and now I have to prove that you are wrong?

Classic pseudoscience.

 

 

The point regarding the Asari is that disregarding how and why they were created by Bioware (so they wanted to create a race of aliens that also look sexually appealing to their largest demographic, how is that wrong exactly? that's just a competent business decision), currently they are an established race with established lore and somewhat established biology.

 

Certain facts may rankle your sensibilities, but that's not reason enough to just retcon them out of ME, or change them to appeal to your personal taste.

No I said it could be considered not that it does in fact. I await a study, until then you nor me can make 99.99% claim that it does not.

 

Funny, I posted in response to another poster in this very thread that it was not wrong to cater to their largest demographic, but logical. But I guess since you are offended by my request you don't read my responses, you just attack.

 

I am of the belief that BioWare will not have drell or maybe not even quarians in ME:A. If the latter is present, the teammate will likely be female. Can you see the dilemma?

 

 

I just wanted the potential for there to be an alien LI, in addition to the one human male we are likely to get, that leans towards human masculine or a mix of masculine and feminine, but still resembles humans. I thought the asari had that potential since they are not females like human females and have just as much potential at variety as human females, thus my subsequent pictures of androgynous/masculine leaning human females.

[Laughing_Man]

I await a study

 

Good, you should do that. Preferably without making baseless scientific claims in the meantime.

[Laughing_Man]

I just wanted the potential for there to be an alien LI, in addition to the one human male we are likely to get, that leans towards human masculine or a mix of masculine and feminine, but still resembles humans. I thought the asari had that potential since they are not females like human females and have just as much potential at variety as human females, thus my subsequent pictures of androgynous/masculine leaning human females.

 

If DA:I is any indication, you can reasonably expect to have more choices.

(if anyone needs to worry it's probably whoever is interested in female romance options considering DA:I's somewhat dismal fare.)

 

In any case all that is not a good enough reason to suddenly disregard the lore on something so very basic.

Simpler to just ask for a Drell teammate.

[En Es Ef Dubyu]

Good, you should do that. Preferably without making baseless scientific claims in the meantime.

Science does allow for speculation, which is all I did. Never stated it as fact, only a consideration. 

 

A lot of things in science were initially thought baseless and later proven. 

 

Does it bother you that h omosexuality may have an evolutionary component or may be genetic? You seem hostile in the above^

[En Es Ef Dubyu]

If DA:I is any indication, you can reasonably expect to have more choices.

(if anyone needs to worry it's probably whoever is interested in female romance options considering DA:I's somewhat dismal fare.)

 

In any case all that is not a good enough reason to suddenly disregard the lore on something so very basic.

Simpler to just ask for a Drell teammate.

Two different teams. DA has always been rather equitable to the fans. Mass Effect far from it in the end, in fact they were incredibly insulting to the female fans with Jacob.

 

As I have heard one fan describe the 2 universes: DA is the or rather was the bi-verse, and ME is predominately a straight-verse.

[Monk]

If DA:I is any indication, you can reasonably expect to have more choices.

(if anyone needs to worry it's probably whoever is interested in female romance options considering DA:I's somewhat dismal fare.) …

 

Oh, i hope they add just a touch few. Unless it also involves getting more BFF options. I'd be cool with that.

 

 

… In any case all that is not a good enough reason to suddenly disregard the lore on something so very basic.

Simpler to just ask for a Drell teammate.

 

On topic and now that i recently remember, considering the consistency of such rare types in the human species, Liara's "father" is probably the best that could be had. Which reminds, wouldn't mind seeing her threaten to slap a singularity on someone in MEA.

[AlanC9]

 
So the lore states:
 
A species of beautiful nearly identical-to-human-females aliens...
 
1 evolved to not want to breed with each other but with other aliens which they had yet to encounter
 
2 are primarily seen with male aliens throughout the trilogy (particularly in ME1)
 

Point 1 is simply false. Nobody's saying that -- except maybe very stupid ME1 Shepards.

What the lore actually says is that the asari are evolved to breed with conscious beings without regard to their physicality. (Probably only conscious organics since there's mystical mumbo-jumbo about racial memory and traits; remember, mystical mumbo-jumbo in the MEU is occasionally true.) As it happens, this meant that they could breed with aliens.

We don't have enough data points to make the statement in point 2. Points regarding Shepard are player-determined and can't count. The Consort has a couple of male clients. Morinth's last victim was female. Khalisah al-Jilani has an asari lover. Charr and Ereba. On the ME3 Citadel we see asari in relationships with both a human female and a turian male. Anyway, part of the bias here is just that there are so few nonhuman females.

[AlanC9]

On topic and now that i recently remember, considering the consistency of such rare types in the human species, Liara's "father" is probably the best that could be had. Which reminds, wouldn't mind seeing her threaten to slap a singularity on someone in MEA.

This one's actually doable; we don't see her again after the Cerberus coup.

[Pasquale1234]

Sigh. This is just a weird thread. What I'm getting is that OP is asking for varied NPC body shapes. Which I don't think is EVER going to happen in a BioWare game. It has never happened before.

That's not entirely true. DAO did use different body models for some NPCs.

Some places, for example, had chubby, saggy cooks, like Agatha at Arl Eamon's Denerim Estate:
 
https://youtu.be/4VE2XOMejzA?t=3m54s

Lloyd, the owner of the tavern in Redcliffe, was also quite the porker.

There also tends to be a bit of difference in meshes for different outfits, even in ME.
 

The lore on the Asari has them preferring relationships with aliens over pairings with members of their own species, and not having any particular preference generally for species that look like themselves.

As near as I can tell, that preference was culturally induced, apparently due to some combination of beliefs about gaining something and/or prejudice against purebloods, which seems to be related to A-Y.

Of course, that speaks primarily to reproduction, not recreational pairings.

[Wulfram]

The lore does also imply that the Asari's preference for aliens lies in a previous instincts to avoid inbreeding by mating far away from home

"The world is named for an ancient asari goddess of love, sex, travel, and law -- spheres of influence whose overlap initially baffled human xenoanthropologists. Asari reproductive instincts are strongly exogamous, and before alien contact, their instincts sent the asari roaming outside their kinship groups to avoid mating with relatives. The journeys necessitated a system of rules governing guests, fugitives, and alliances -- all watched over by the goddess Tevura."

[JohnstonMR]

I'd be fine with a species that looked all male, as the Asari all look female.  But changing the Asari now would be absurd, unless they could find a way to make it make sense.  

[Han Shot First]

So when they were evolving on Thessia did they not have evolutionary triggers designed to compel them to mate with other asari? Would these triggers not be physical in some way? Are you saying they only are attracted to minds/personality/emotion not the physical? They are not preferentially attracted to their own species?
 
Liara says her species no longer pairs for the purposes of breeding (that does not mean they do not pair for pleasure) because they believe nothing is gained, and later in ME2 Samara suggests it is due to the prevalence of ardat-yakshi conditions. This is an adopted belief they have pursued for a few thousand years after they encountered that the negative side effects from breeding with each other could be mitigated by breeding with other sapient creatures. This is not an evolutionary trait they had from the moment they walked upright on their planet. 
 
So the lore states:
 
A species of beautiful nearly identical-to-human-females aliens...
 
1 evolved to not want to breed with each other but with other aliens which they had yet to encounter
 
2 are primarily seen with male aliens throughout the trilogy (particularly in ME1)
 
 
 
And oh! I wasn't aware Shiala expressed a preference for men. Can you point out to me where this is (ME1 or ME2)? What does she do different from femShep?

That the Asari generally prefer pairing with alien partners probably points to physical attraction not being the primary draw for them. Even the bit of lore that mentions ancient Asari were strongly exogamous to prevent inbreeding doesn't really work, because if physical attraction was a major component in choosing partners, the more 'alien' a species is from an Asari perspective, the more unattractive it should seem. Yet pairings with Salarians, Turians, or Krogan aren't uncommon.

Since the Asari reproduce via parthenogenesis rather than sexually, there would also be no biological reason for them to filter potential partners based on physical traits. Asari infants inherit 100% of their genetic coding from the mother. They'd be clones, if not for the mother somehow introducing random changes in some of the genes she (and not her partner) pass on to the offspring. It's not unlike certain whiptail lizards in the southeastern US that are entirely female, and mating only serves as a trigger for one of the lizards to get pregnant without a partner fertilizing an egg.

I thought the lore about the Asari shacking up with any species was a bit silly and unnecessary, when Liara getting involved with Shepard could have just been hand-waved as humans looking close enough to the Asari. But that lore exists, and for it to make sense, the Asari can't prefer partners that share the physical traits humans tend to find attractive in women. Otherwise pairings with the less humanoid species like Turuans or Salarians should not be common.

If I remember correctly Shiala only flirts with male Shep in ME2. It has been a very long time since I've played the game though, and even longer since I've done it with Fem Shep, so its possible I'm just not remembering that right. I'm unable to look it up right now, but I thought that was part of the complaint about Male Shep getting more romance options. Didn't Shiala and Giana Parasini only flirt with male Shep, or was that just Gianna?

[Gothfather]

/snip

 

Seeing how Liara said the asari are mono-gendered, not female, I don't see why that wouldn't fit into the lore, but it looks like I'm in the minority here.....maybe I don't know enough about the lore.

 

Liara is 'wrong.' Asari are all female just like real life 'mono-gendered' species of lizards that reproduce via parthenogenesis. Asari fill the role of biological females as well they can all carry offspring to term.

 

http://science.scien...99/212.abstract

 

When she is saying they were not female but mono-gendered the only accurate way she could be right is if she was speaking from a cultural perspective vs a biological perspective. Because biologically Asari are female just like the 6 species of lizards are female. Culturally because they are mono-gendered they don't have cultural distinctions that other cultures divide down gender lines speaking in broad general terms. Thus Asari are not culturally female because their culture doesn't make gender distinctions among themselves which is why you see tons of aggressive, brash and violent female asari mercs. As these traits are just as common and just as descriptive of Asari as any trait people could commonly attribute more to woman then men in our culture.

 

In the simplest terms gender and sex for humans is pretty much synonymous, for asari it isn't. Asari are female in terms of their sex but mono-gendered in terms of gender. So speaking in terms of biology all asari are female, speaking in terms of gender no asari are female because they don't have genders. Thus this entire thread doesn't make sense at all.

[Barquiel]

If I remember correctly Shiala only flirts with male Shep in ME2. It has been a very long time since I've played the game though, and even longer since I've done it with Fem Shep, so its possible I'm just not remembering that right. I'm unable to look it up right now, but I thought that was part of the complaint about Male Shep getting more romance options. Didn't Shiala and Giana Parasini only flirt with male Shep, or was that just Gianna?

Shiala flirts with FemShep too. She mentions that she and Shepard could get together sometime when she isn't busy organizing the colony, and strokes Shep's arm before leaving. But I don't know if Male Shep gets a different scene.

[Han Shot First]

Shiala flirts with FemShep too. She mentions that she and Shepard could get together sometime when she isn't busy organizing the colony, and strokes Shep's arm before leaving. But I don't know if Male Shep gets a different scene.

That sounds the same. It may just have been Gianna that was the target of griping then, and I remembered those old complaint threads wrong.

[Dalinne]

It seems the answer is "yes"

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[En Es Ef Dubyu]

 

It seems the answer is "yes"

 minute 0:50

 

 

 

She'll do!

[CuriousArtemis]

 

 

She'll do!

 

I love her already ^^

[Dalinne]

I think she is unconventionally atractive. She gives me good vibes.

 

... however, someone has pointed out she seems pretty young, maybe she is just a kid, it would be SO GREAT to have kids from any race if they are not a source of problems (just kids with iniciative and normal reactions, such as Clementine and Ellie)

[En Es Ef Dubyu]

I think she is unconventionally atractive. She gives me good vibes.

 

... however, someone has pointed out she seems pretty young, maybe she is just a kid, it would be SO GREAT to have kids from any race if they are not a source of problems (just kids with iniciative and normal reactions, such as Clementine and Ellie)

True. The furrow lines on her forehead made me think she was older, but then again who knows if asari get brow lines earlier than humans. But still nice to see an androgynous look. 

[Derrame]

there is an androgynous asari in the newest trailer 

 

[Kabooooom]

Pseudoscience....uh, hello asari?


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I'm not sure what aspect of the Asari you are calling pseudoscience. You do realize that there are multiple examples of all-female vertebrate species that reproduce via parthenogenesis...right? And the fact that the Asari look so human is forgivable, in my opinion, by virtue of the science fiction genre setting.