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[Teabaggin Krogan]

Then stop saying it. You're clearly not successful at not hearing "move the goalposts." 

 

Clearly you must be real fun to hang around with. Calling someone else's argument stupid doesn't automatically validate your own point, neither does the juvenile insults. 

 

Just because someone isn't commercially successful or popular doesn't mean that they're bad at what they do and it'd be rather narrow minded to be dismissive of their works just because it's not followed by the majority of people. Many artists have only been widely acclaimed only after their deaths. Take Edgar Allan Poe, H.p Lovecraft, Van Gough and several others for example and you can see that all of them received the cultural standing they have today posthumously. Bach was known more as an acclaimed organist rather than as a composer during his period and yet he is now known as one of the best composers of all time. 

 

Point being, just don't do generalizations and then advice people to not speak authoritatively about what they don't know. Snarky gifs don't really work when you have failed to grasp the underlying meaning behind the opposing argument. 

[Killroy]

Clearly you must be real fun to hang around with. Calling someone else's argument stupid doesn't automatically validate your own point, neither does the juvenile insults.

Someone else's argument being stupid invalidates their argument.
 

Just because someone isn't commercially successful or popular doesn't mean that they're bad at what they do and it'd be rather narrow minded to be dismissive of their works just because it's not followed by the majority of people. Many artists have only been widely acclaimed only after their deaths. Take Edgar Allan Poe, H.p Lovecraft, Van Gough and several others for example and you can see that all of them received the cultural standing they have today posthumously. Bach was known more as an acclaimed organist rather than as a composer during his period and yet he is now known as one of the best composers of all time.

Where did I say that a lack of commercial success means someone is bad at their job? And where the hell did I say that success requires the majority of people liking what you do? That's ridiculous.

Also, no one at BioWare is the next Poe, Lovecraft or van Gogh. Stop being so tumblr-y.
 

Point being, just don't do generalizations and then advice people to not speak authoritatively about what they don't know. Snarky gifs don't really work when you have failed to grasp the underlying meaning behind the opposing argument.

You need to work on your reading comprehension. Addictress is arguing what she thinks might be true. I'm arguing what I know to be true, because I have evidence. The argument that successful writers are all writing in every medium is just astonishingly dimwitted. And Goishen tried to argue that you don't have to be successful to be successful, which is also astonishingly dimwitted. I'm not putting myself out on a limb here. People really do just keep saying dumb things. 

[Addictress]

I'm not talking about what might be true.

All I said was writers, by nature of progressing in their craft, which would likely be certified by their landing a job at a major game studio, must have practiced many forms of writing.

That was to gist of my first post. Sorry if I didn't write it clearly. I'm not a great writer. However, I didn't move my goal posts. Perhaps I didn't clearly communicate what I was thinking in the first post.

This isn't something I need to speak authoritatively about. It's pretty basic observational common knowledge.

[Addictress]

So yes, I think that they could write a movie script, if they wanted to. Like goishen said, any regular joe could write anything. But these aren't just regular joe shmoes. Yes, Inquisitor's writing sucked and some of the staff might be better than others, but most of them should be qualified. Look at Peter Jackson and his wife Fran. They had limited scripts under their belts before adapting LotR (subculture hits, I know). It was literally elbow tease, and of course, two very educated people.

[Killroy]

I'm not talking about what might be true.

All I said was writers, by nature of progressing in their craft, which would likely be certified by their landing a job at a major game studio, must have practiced many forms of writing.

That was to gist of my first post. Sorry if I didn't write it clearly. I'm not a great writer. However, I didn't move my goal posts. Perhaps I didn't clearly communicate what I was thinking in the first post.

This isn't something I need to speak authoritatively about. It's pretty basic observational common knowledge.

 

I don't think you know what "certified," "observational," or "common knowledge" mean. There isn't some great gauntlet that writers have to get through to earn the prestigious title of Video Game Writer. Even good video game writing is pretty crappy compared to other mediums. If video game writers were so talented in all writing mediums they would constantly be breaking out of video games to conquer Hollywood. That hasn't happened. Not even once. 

[Addictress]

Someone else's argument being stupid invalidates their argument.


Where did I say that a lack of commercial success means someone is bad at their job? And where the hell did I say that success requires the majority of people liking what you do? That's ridiculous.
Also, no one at BioWare is the next Poe, Lovecraft or van Gogh. Stop being so tumblr-y.


You need to work on your reading comprehension. Addictress is arguing what she thinks might be true. I'm arguing what I know to be true, because I have evidence. The argument that successful writers are all writing in every medium is just astonishingly dimwitted. And Goishen tried to argue that you don't have to be successful to be successful, which is also astonishingly dimwitted. I'm not putting myself out on a limb here. People really do just keep saying dumb things.

Writing in every medium and successfully publishing in every medium are two different things. You're the dim-witted one , sorry. You've angered me. You completely misread everything and continually insult us.

[Killroy]

Writing in every medium and successfully publishing in every medium are two different things. You're the dim-witted one , sorry. You've angered me. You completely misread everything and continually insult us.

 

Hey, I just wrote a limerick on a cocktail napkin and some Supernatural slash fic. That means I can write movies, right? Will you tell John BioWare to hire me?

[Addictress]

I don't think you know what "certified," "observational," or "common knowledge" mean. There isn't some great gauntlet that writers have to get through to earn the prestigious title of Video Game Writer. Even good video game writing is pretty crappy compared to other mediums. If video game writers were so talented in all writing mediums they would constantly be breaking out of video games to conquer Hollywood. That hasn't happened. Not even once.

I literally look at the resumes of these videogame writers nowadays and can't tell the difference with Hollywood writers. It's a matter of opportunity and showbiz luck at that point. Patrick Weekes comes from Stanford, he's not a dunce, and you overestimate the cred needed for screenwriting. A lot of these jobs are lateral. I mean, look at Neill Blomkamp and his wife Teri. Neill jumped straight into District 9 with like no screenwriting portfolio , he mostly did 3D art and animation. His wife basically co-wrote straight out of school, 2 years after writing short film.

Of course at this point we're just spouting pipe dreams regarding giving these writers the motivation and resources to make a mass effect film, but we could say the same for any film writer as well.

[Addictress]

Hey, I just wrote a limerick on a cocktail napkin and some Supernatural slash fic. That means I can write movies, right? Will you tell John BioWare to hire me?

You realize the most talented fanfic writers are students who are poised to become actual successful Hollywood writers right? That's how professional writers get started - writing fanfic, short stories, anything.

My point was the diversity of projects they have going on at any given time.

[Killroy]

I literally look at the resumes of these videogame writers nowadays and can't tell the difference with Hollywood writers. It's a matter of opportunity and showbiz luck at that point. Patrick Weekes comes from Stanford, he's not a dunce, and you overestimate the cred needed for screenwriting. A lot of these jobs are lateral. I mean, look at Neill Blomkamp and his wife Teri. Neill jumped straight into District 9 with like no screenwriting portfolio , he mostly did 3D art and animation. His wife basically co-wrote straight out of school, 2 years after writing short film.

Of course at this point we're just spouting pipe dreams regarding giving these writers the motivation and resources to make a mass effect film, but we could say the same for any film writer as well.

 

You're talking about people writing only movies or video games, not both. You're making my argument. 

[Killroy]

You realize the most talented fanfic writers are students who are poised to become actual successful Hollywood writers right? That's how professional writers get started - writing fanfic, short stories, anything.

My point was the diversity of projects they have going on at any given time.

 

Oh. My. God.

 

My sides have ascended to the heavens. 

[straykat]

I literally look at the resumes of these videogame writers nowadays and can't tell the difference with Hollywood writers. It's a matter of opportunity and showbiz luck at that point. Patrick Weekes comes from Stanford, he's not a dunce, and you overestimate the cred needed for screenwriting. A lot of these jobs are lateral. I mean, look at Neill Blomkamp and his wife Teri. Neill jumped straight into District 9 with like no screenwriting portfolio , he mostly did 3D art and animation. His wife basically co-wrote straight out of school, 2 years after writing short film.

Of course at this point we're just spouting pipe dreams regarding giving these writers the motivation and resources to make a mass effect film, but we could say the same for any film writer as well.

 

I don't consider Weekes a dunce either.

 

But all "Stansford" confirms to me is his agenda. The worst kind too. The 40 something privileged white liberal. These people are rife with guilt..it's no surprise he started writing the way he does.

[Addictress]

I don't consider Weekes a dunce either.

But all "Stansford" confirms to me is his agenda. The worst kind too. The 40 something privileged white liberal. These people are rife with guilt..it's no surprise he started writing the way he does.

What do you mean? As you know, we both think Inquisition sucked. Is he to blame for any specific points of suckiness?

(I hope Bioware isn't reading this. I don't mean to hurt their feelings)

[Addictress]

Oh. My. God.

My sides have ascended to the heavens.

Paul Cornell and Una McCormack.

[straykat]

What do you mean? As you know, we both think Inquisition sucked. Is he to blame for any specific points of suckiness?

(I hope Bioware isn't reading this. I don't mean to hurt their feelings)

 

He's going out of his way to present legitimacy to paths less traveled.

 

That's the best I can state it without a massive derail.

[Seraphim24]

He's going out of his way to present legitimacy to paths less traveled.

 

That's the best I can state it without a massive derail.

 

Wow that totally summarizes how a lot of modern Bioware appears to me.... they went from traveling the path... um... less traveled? To basically writing stories about how "valid" and "great" it was to do that, without either continuing down that path to see where else it goes or actually generating the sense or emotion that made those paths, um, less traveled and interesting.

 

Straykat you are a smart person

 

I feel like I run into those people everywhere incidentally... I don't know why... the types that are going out of their way to prove that this or that is acceptable even though they themselves despise it or something it's very weird..

[Teabaggin Krogan]

Someone else's argument being stupid invalidates their argument.
...

 

"Someone's argument being stupid in invalidates their argument" 

There's a difference between saying it's stupid and it being objectively stupid. You clearly have only your ever changing ramblings to prove that these are stupid but sadly that doesn't quite cut it. 

 

 

Where did I say that a lack of commercial success means someone is bad at their job? And where the hell did I say that success requires the majority of people liking what you do? That's ridiculous.
Also, no one at BioWare is the next Poe, Lovecraft or van Gogh. Stop being so tumblr-y.

 

Your arguments are clearly putting a lot of importance on the success of game writers in other media, as well as your emphasis on writers who have "conquered" more than two forms of writing. Your habit of repeatedly equating hollywood to success from the statement "If video game writers were so talented in all writing mediums they would constantly be breaking out of video games to conquer Hollywood" is another example of this as well as being downright delusional coz if you didn't know the video gaming industry is quite comparable to hollywood in terms of revenue and reach. 

 

You need to work on your reading comprehension. Addictress is arguing what she thinks might be true. I'm arguing what I know to be true, because I have evidence. The argument that successful writers are all writing in every medium is just astonishingly dimwitted. And Goishen tried to argue that you don't have to be successful to be successful, which is also astonishingly dimwitted. I'm not putting myself out on a limb here. People really do just keep saying dumb things.

 

The first person has clearly not used the statement that "successful writers" are all writing in every medium. And the second one, as far as I know when it says "you don't have to be successful to be successful" isn't meaning it literally genius. Success is a rather subjective term which seems to have gone over your head. Maybe stop being such an edgelord for a change, you could learn something.

[NRieh]

 

Television production has improved drastically over the past 10 years alone and offers plenty of flexibility to tell more stories and delve in to the lore and history better than a movie could.

Babylon 5 could do that like 20 years ago.And  I'm yet to see a space-opera\sci-fi TV series that beats B5. 

 

I'm all for a spin-off\concurrent, as long as it does not contradict any of the possible in-game scenarions and in-game lore.

[straykat]

Not to be a debbie downer, but I really don't want to see this. I like a lot of things about Mass Effect, but the main story wasn't one of them. I've had enough Reapers for a lifetime... and it was never cool to begin with. I liked the world and was willing to play along with the Reaper stuff... until I realized how much it was taking a dump on everything I liked. There was a point where I thought we might move past it and I could have tons of other stories in this world....

 

But no. That didn't happen. Until now at least.. with this asspull of a new galaxy. But that isn't exactly what I was hoping for. And isn't what I'd be interested in again, on a tv screen.

 

There's that moment on Eden Prime where Dr. Manuel is having a panic attack and you can punch him out. But he was right all along. That's the story of Mass Effect.

[Seraphim24]

Not to be a debbie downer, but I really don't want to see this. I like a lot of things about Mass Effect, but the main story wasn't one of them. I've had enough Reapers for a lifetime... and it was never cool to begin with. I liked the world and was willing to play along with the Reaper stuff... until I realized how much it was taking a dump on everything I liked. There was a point where I thought we might move past it and I could have tons of other stories in this world....

 

But no. That didn't happen.

 

Hmm that's interesting too... the idea that the story wasn't the appeal of ME hm, especially considering how similar it all was to Star Control 3 to be honest... I think maybe this is interesting as well, what was most interesting in ME to you kat?

[straykat]

Hmm that's interesting too... the idea that the story wasn't the appeal of ME hm, especially considering how similar it all was to Star Control 3 to be honest... I think maybe this is interesting as well, what was most interesting in ME to you kat?

 

The human vs alien stuff.. the politics.. the colonizing and suffering. And Spectres just wandering around being badasses (be it Shep, Vasir, or Saren.. doesn't matter).

[Seraphim24]

The human vs alien stuff.. the politics.. the colonizing and suffering. And Spectres just wandering around being badasses (be it Shep, Vasir, or Saren.. doesn't matter).

 

Shepard could be pretty cool... it's true.

 

Haha and Saren eh? How deviant...

[straykat]

Saren held some promise once.

[yolobastien6412]

I'd like any animated show to focus on characters that already have their histories set in stone, so to speak. Maybe Anderson and how he was considered to be part of the Spectres, Batarian raids on Alliance colonies and the Skyllian Blitz, Jon Grissom, the First Contact War. Maybe if it is in the form of a TV show, we could have different tales being told, depending on the season or whatever. In the end, it would make a lore friendly recounting of the games's background.

[Obliviousmiss]

Perhaps the only people I would trust to write a Mass Effect movie would be the original writers of the actual game.

 

The writers on the game are professional writers and can write film scripts. Do it!

 

Kind of like how Ubisoft is treating the Assassin's Creed movie? I like it.

 

Just switch movie to Tv series and you're golden.