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[Battlebloodmage]

I love redemption stories. The problem is that after fixing it Korra makes the exact same choice that resulted in the problem she just finished fixing.

 

And now future Avatars won't even be able to consult her predecessors. 

 

It is definitely a possibility, especially if the N7 guy is the DuncaN7 mentor charactor a lot of people think he will be. 

Korra must be chopped liver. 

 

I wonder how older Avatars manage without the other Avatars to give them any advice. 

 

You're saying it as if she messes up on purposes. She has good intentions at heart, it's not like she can see into the future and see what will happen if she had done it a certain ways. She did her best with what was given. 

[The Hierophant]

so?

 

she was an abject failure at just about everything she did, lost her connection to all previous avatars (good luck to the next one who has to rely on her sorry *** for advice), the bending stuff doesn't really count because she was weakest at airbending and lets be honest airbending >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all others

 

She's flawed, and the story is written to reflect that. It isn't like we haven't met Avatars with bigger regrets. Roku and Wan both own up to their mistakes. Would her being more consistently successful really make her a better character?

 

The issue with Korra was that at first she consistent in terms of her inner struggles, flaws, and martial arts prowess, but then season 1's rushed finale, and season 2 happened. In order to make Korra's character develop/the plot progress in the direction of their liking, the writers mercilessly beat Korra with the incompetency/illogical stick like there was no tomorrow. You had situations where she readily believes, and constantly  sides with her uncle who she barely knew over her father, and Southern Water Tribe (wtf?) a menagerie of subpar performances that are inconsistent with her season 1 feats, the link to past Avatars being lost was a devastating low blow from plot induced incompetency, and then there's the Jinora get out of jail free card sequence. In short season 2 was awful. 

 

Season 3 was the best (Zaheer yay), while 4 was good but they dragged on Korra's scrub phase a few episodes too long. Looking back on it the writers really shitted on her character with season 2. I understand being flawed but, damn?

 

Minus my nostalgia with TLAB i actually liked TLoK as much as the first series.

[Atomkick]

If not then my guess is that she will belong either to Pathfinder Initiative program or some other military division. The helmet she is wearing looks familiar.

[Battlebloodmage]

The issue with Korra was that at first she consistent in terms of her inner struggles, flaws, and martial arts prowess, but then season 1's rushed finale, and season 2 happened. In order to make the plot progress in the direction of their liking, the writers mercilessly beat Korra with the incompetency/illogical stick like there was no tomorrow. You had situations where she readily believes, and constantly  sides with her uncle who she barely knew over her father, and Southern Water Tribe (wtf?) a menagerie of subpar performances that are inconsistent with her season 1 feats, the link to past Avatars being lost was a devastating low blow from plot induced incompetency, and then there's the Jinora get out of jail free card sequence. In short season 2 was awful. 

 

Season 3 was the best (Zaheer yay), while 4 was good but they dragged on Korra's scrub phase a few episodes too long. Looking back on it the writers really shitted on her character with season 2. I understand being flawed but, damn?

 

Minus my nostalgia with TLAB i actually liked TLoK as much as the first series.

You see Hawke as a failure? In a normal non-meta playthrough, there are many opportunities for Hawke to screw up throughout the entire game. Accidentally resurrect Flemeth (while at that point in DA2, she could have easily been evil if we don't know anything about DAI), failed to help their siblings, they're either dead, become a grey warden, or captured into the circle, failed to stop Merrill from using the mirror, may slaughter her entire village, potentially help Anders blows up the chantry, failed to stop Anders, failed to prevent the war between mages and templars, and basically got run out of town. 

 

Korra did the best of what she could. If you were in her situation, you may have made some of those mistakes as well. She's more alone compared to Aang, so she's more prone to mistakes. It's understandable.

[slimgrin]

One of the favourite characters and not even in game model. Do it right or don't do at all.

 

Without a doubt, the laziest piece of art design ever created. Some idiot art director looked at this and said,  "good enough". Welcome to EA folks. 

[Kierro Ren]

One of the favourite characters and not even in game model. Do it right or don't do at all.

 

Bio was damned if they did, damned if they don't. If they made an ingame model, then they'd have people b'tch they don't like how she looks... which goes along with my first example. If Bio left Tali alone, people would still of b'tched because Bioware didn't give them what they want, which leads to me example you quoted. It was a no win situation. Bioware took a chance, to give a little of column A; those who wanted to see Tali and column B; those who didn't want to see Tali and have her be a mystery. Yet whadda ya know... people b'tched anyway x_x

[Battlebloodmage]

Bio was damned if they did, damned if they don't. If they made an ingame model, then they'd have people b'tch they don't like how she looks... which goes along with my first example. If Bio left Tali alone, people would still of b'tched because Bioware didn't give them what they want, which leads to me example you quoted. It was a no win situation. Bioware took a chance, to give a little of column A; those who wanted to see Tali and column B; those who didn't want to see Tali and have her be a mystery. Yet whadda ya know... people b'tched anyway x_x

nah, people just want to see an actual alien race instead of a girl dressing up for Halloween.

 

I doubt they would be disappointed if they look more like aliens or even semi-aliens.

 

[Furisco]

I absolutly loved the first design.

[The Hierophant]

You see Hawke as a failure? In a normal non-meta playthrough, there are many opportunities for Hawke to screw up throughout the entire game. Accidentally resurrect Flemeth (while at that point in DA2, she could have easily been evil if we don't know anything about DAI), failed to help their siblings, they're either dead, become a grey warden, or captured into the circle, failed to stop Merrill from using the mirror, may slaughter her entire village, potentially help Anders blows up the chantry, failed to stop Anders, failed to prevent the war between mages and templars, and basically got run out of town. 

 

Korra did the best of what she could. If you were in her situation, you may have made some of those mistakes as well. She's more alone compared to Aang, so she's more prone to mistakes. It's understandable.

For the sake of DAI, DA2's plot needed Hawke to be a failure.

 

My problem with Korra isn't that she makes mistakes but how forced, and sloppily put together the writting behind her making said mistakes are  (majority of season 2). Mind you it's the reason i prefer seasons 1, 3, and 4 as they contain more consistent writing that takes into account  her persona, martial prowess, and inner struggles. Such as her trying to come to terms with her place in a society that has little use of her, and the affect each arc's antagonist's philosophy has on shaping her ideology in regards to her role in said society. 

 

Season 2 had these elements too but... yeah. Plus it didn't help that unlike Amon, Zaheer and Kuvira, Unalaq was a one dimensional antagonist with no redeemable qualities either.

[KaiserShep]

And now future Avatars won't even be able to consult her predecessors. 

 

 

I must be the only one that actually thinks that this was a good thing in terms of the story. It kind of hits home that the future of that world may not even need an avatar anymore, so connection to Aang and earlier may just become irrelevant, especially in a world where technology will only get better at rivaling bending. 

[KaiserShep]

Bio was damned if they did, damned if they don't. If they made an ingame model, then they'd have people b'tch they don't like how she looks... which goes along with my first example. If Bio left Tali alone, people would still of b'tched because Bioware didn't give them what they want, which leads to me example you quoted. It was a no win situation. Bioware took a chance, to give a little of column A; those who wanted to see Tali and column B; those who didn't want to see Tali and have her be a mystery. Yet whadda ya know... people b'tched anyway x_x

 

I don't know about that. While it's true that fans are wont to bemoan every damn thing under the sun, if they created a proper model and we could actually see Tali's face in motion on the actual character, some would whine about how it's not creative or alien enough, or maybe too alien, but I think people would generally be happy to finally see it, at least much more than some crappy little PS job.

[hotdogbsg]

It was obvious that Jenkins would be the sacrificial char.

 

 

Have to admit I thought it was Kaidan who was going to bite the bullet out of the two.

[Dalinne]

One of the favourite characters and not even in game model. Do it right or don't do at all.

 

Who took that photo? I mean in game. Do you think she asked Rana or Khal Reegar to take a photo for her human boyfriend? Or she just took a selfie?

Anyway, Tali definetely deserved better. And the quarians 

[Thermopylae]

Actually aesthetically the modified photo isn't bad, and you can see why they used it as a template, the natural material, light flare and exotic features. 

I admit that I have no "attachments to the character" but the modified image does appear alien & vulnerable, consistent with the personality of Tali and consistent with the aesthetics of the culture portrayed.

 

Its simply unfortunate that we have the original image to compare it to, otherwise, I would have accepted this image without complaint. Then again for me the stakes are somewhat low, I didn't bond too much with the character.

[KaiserShep]

Have to admit I thought it was Kaidan who was going to bite the bullet out of the two.

 

 

Really? Jenkins' voice alone was a warning sign. 

[PCThug]

I'm dying to know what thought process went into turning Tali's big reveal into a photo-shopped stock image.

[Han Shot First]

I'm dying to know what thought process went into turning Tali's big reveal into a photo-shopped stock image.

...while face-mapping an IGN employee into Diana Allers.

[KirkyX]

...while face-mapping an IGN employee into Diana Allers.

And killing off Emily Wong on Twitter. Even I'm salty about that whole chain of events.

 

(I'm given to understand that the whole Twitter thing was at least reasonably well-done, but come on! If you're gonna have an 'embedded journalist on the Normandy' character in Mass Effect 3, why not use the journalist you've already built up over the last two games? Hell, I think it would've been pretty cool if they'd gone with Khalisah, even.)

[DarthLaxian]

...along with any other human squaddie we start the game with?

 

In the original ME we had Jenkins the sissy.  Going to Andromeda is an elite mission unlike Shepard's Spectre tryouts, so we should be given elites

 

Idiot is more like it -.- (sure he was young but he's had the training, so what he does makes Jenkins an idiot (the training obviously didn't stick!))

 

Well, I'd call Sheppard's team elite, too because they all filled niche roles which they were good at:

 

- Garrus was well trained and is an especially good sniper (not to mention that he has contacts outside of the Alliance - something Sheppard lacks at the start of ME1)

- Tali knows her tech (like most Quarians, but it's implied that she's better than most) and is an expert on the Geth!

- Liara is an expert on the Protheans (and she's by no means stupid either...and she's of course an Asari, so she's a strong biotic, too - only a commando or a matriarch would be better!)

- Ashley...well, she survived Eden Prime, so she's not a bad soldier (despite not being an N7)

- Kaidan is a a biotic (so he's had special training) and he's got the old implant which makes him stronger (despite giving him migrains occasionally)

- Wrex is a Krogan biotic and a centuries old mercenary (and he's not stupid either, because he after all unites the clans later on!) so he'd wipe the floor with most soldiers probably!

- etc. etc. (could go on, but I think that's enough!)

 

Still, I'd love to have some more N7 crew-members (and more human biotics - Kaidan wasn't really to my liking (despite him being my Virmire Survivor...a biotic is after all more useful than a "simple" soldier and Ashley's "racist" views aren't to my liking either!)...and a pilot who's not stupid (so no staying on a doomed ship or trying to outrun a weapon that's way faster than said ship (yes: I am talking about Joker's flying at the start of ME2...why not swing around so that you can at the very least return fire and force the enemy to engage you with point defense guns instead of their main gun?))...as much as I like Joker, I still think he got me (Sheppard!) killed!

 

greetings LAX

ps: Note: I'd love to have a more Kasumi-like character (maybe a smuggler or a hacker!) on my team, too ("Procurement Specialist")

[Statare]

Really? Jenkins' voice alone was a warning sign. 

 

And that Kaidan had a much more detailed face. 

 

As per topic....

 

Cora being N7 might be cool and it might be terribly dull. The whole premise of this story is that survivors from the MW are in a new galaxy after traveling on an intergalactic arc ship and we are hanging out with the survivors of presumably endangered species. I would prefer the squaddies we get to be diverse backgrounds and skill-sets to encourage unique stories and perspectives on the new setting. I disliked that every human from the trilogy on our squad was some form of military, special forces, or an ultra human super with enhanced combat assets. It was a bit reductive. 

[EpicNewb]

How was Jenkins a sissy?

I don't think I've heard anyone called that since I was 8 years old, but from what I remember it was always used to call someone a coward. Jenkins may have been killed in his first combat mission, but he didn't lack for physical courage. If he had been cowering behind some boulder instead he probably would have lived.

You might also want to consider dropping the word sissy from your vocabulary. Besides making you sound like an 8 year old, it also equates a lack of courage with either being female or gay, either of which is objectively stupid.

Moving on..Cpl. .Jenkins was just an Easter egg for Leroy Jenkins. I doubt Bioware will include a reference to that meme in more than one game.

I see you associate sissies with those groups.  

 

Man up instead of stupidly projecting your fears.  

 

Really? Jenkins' voice alone was a warning sign. 

 

 

Idiot is more like it -.- (sure he was young but he's had the training, so what he does makes Jenkins an idiot (the training obviously didn't stick!))

 

 

And that Kaidan had a much more detailed face. 

Exactly his behavior strongly suggested he was a sissy.  The way he acted, spoke, and carried himself was vastly different from how genuine tough guys are (pro fighters for example).

[Serza]

They need not be N7 to be elite. To use a real world example, maybe you've seen the film "Black Hawk Down"? The unfortunate events portrayed in that film had Army Rangers (elite) working alongside Delta Force operators (N7 type elite). I think I'd prefer half my crew not be N7 to start the game. If they eventually work their way up, as Kaidan did when he became a Spectre, that's great. Of course, if the premise is that the entire unit is N7, that would make a certain amount of sense, too. Maybe the PC is the newbie?

Jenkins wasn't a sissy. He was just fresh, and never got a chance to learn his way around. I'm playing ME right now (presently setting off the neutron purge on Noveria). When I met Jenkins again for the first time, I wondered what he might have been like had he survived. He seemed like a fun kid. They really did a good job with him, making him likable and memorable in little screen time.

 

I agree with you.

 

In-universe, it is already confirmed that the US Army's 1st SFOD-D (Delta Force) is still active (and, since there are no other Human SF mentioned other than the November-7s, likely absorbed all the other forces under the banner of the Systems Alliance - SpetzNaz, SAS, etc.) and consists mostly of November-6s and November-5s, which are the lower MOS' (I use the term loosely, but today, the 18A,B,C,D, etc. are US Army SF, which are all MOS, even if they do not match the N1-7 system of the N-forces) in the Alliance ranks.

 

Will any other humans be N7s? Likely not. Will their MOS be N? Near guaranteed.

[goishen]

I see you associate sissies with those groups.  

 

Man up instead of stupidly projecting your fears.  

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly his behavior strongly suggested he was a sissy.  The way he acted, spoke, and carried himself was vastly different from how genuine tough guys are (pro fighters for example).

 

 

/facepalm

 

Go away.   Just.  Go.  Away.   Stop tossing around words as though you have any contextual meaning to them.

[dreamgazer]

I'm sure people will have plenty of reasons to b*tch about any or all of the companions.  Happens every game.

 

And, well, pretty much everything else. 

 

The cycle continues. 

[EpicNewb]

/facepalm

 

Go away.   Just.  Go.  Away.   Stop tossing around words as though you have any contextual meaning to them.

You're in my thread.  I have an idea that trumps anything you can think of.  You go away.

 

Hand me the bucket of ice water to splash all over your face.